Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

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Anonymous wrote:City of Rockville all go to RM or Wooton.
City of Gaithersburg all go to Gaithersburg or Crown.
South and west of Gaithersburg and Rockville split between Churchill and QO.
Germantown and Clarskburg split between Northwest, Seneca Valley, Clarksburg.

It's just common sense.

That actually doesn't work fully because Wootton is on the border of Rockville. There are non-city-of-Rockville neighborhoods right by it that would need to be bused FAR to Churchill or QO.

Incorrect. All three neighborhoods that back to Wootton are city of Rockville neighborhoods. So are the three ES they go to which are Ritchie Park, Lakewood, and Fallsmead.

Travilah, Dufief, Cold Spring, and Stone Mill are not Rockville. Cold Spring should be the only one that should absolutely stay. The rest are closer to QO and Crown.

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Anonymous wrote:To no one’s surprise, very little change to Churchill under any of the options.

I’m in the small part that is changing. It’s pretty nuts because I live in the area right by the Potomac Community Center. That part of Wayside has been Churchill since its opening. We are literally 1.7-2 miles from Churchill yet the four options have us moving to Wootton which is 15-20 minutes a day longer commute. Not to mention this brings the Wootton boundary so far south. Very disappointed mostly because of Wootton being incredibly old/asbestos, the aforementioned increased time, and the fact that our neighborhood is very much part of the community with Beverly Farms, Bells Mill, Potomac and Seven Locks ES.

A big chunk of Wayside was developed in the mid 90s and originally was meant to go to Frost and Wootton but due to overcrowding at both, they moved them to the then under crowded Churchill.

Additionally a huge section of Potomac ES would stay at Churchill and drive past much of Wayside on the way. Whereas those areas might be equidistant from each, they are far closer to North Potomac community wise and should look different.

They really needed to redo ES boundaries as some are quite wacky and massively large. Also whoever was bright enough to build both Cabin John and Hoover MS within a mile from each other made a big mistake. A MS up closer to QO/Wootton/Crown would have been so much better.

The MS to HS splits are going to be pretty messy from both under these options.

That's not going to matter. Right now Fallsgrove is walking distance to Lakewood and Wootton but get bussed 15 minutes to Richie Park and Richard Montgomery. It's just the way ut is and always will work out that way for some neighborhoods close to certain schools but bussed to others.

Fallsgrove was part of a land sale deal which was contingent on this community never going to Wootton. No idea of the reasoning but this was the deal.

I read somewhere Fallsgrove went to Wootton like 30 years ago? (Can't remember precisely.)

Fallsgrove has only been around for about 20 years (maybe less).

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Anonymous wrote:Travilah and dufief should go to QO and Kentlands should go to Crown with all the other City of Gaithersburg schools.

That is very logical. North Potomac, Travilah, and Darnestown go to Ridgeview / QO. The City of Gaithersburg schools go to Lakelands / Crown. Falls Grove and Ritchie Park to Wooton.

I have said this for a long time, before any boundary discussion. It is the most elegant contiguous solution. Of course people have their preferences based on past experience but none of that matters in these discussions. Now Kentlands leaving is a new topic of course with Crown, but agree with City boundaries being logical here, and having enough students to fill Crown in one swath.

Yup. Same reason why Fallsgrove and Ritchie Park should go to Wootton and all of King Farm to RM.

RM parent here and I would totally support that. Lets be real, "unofficially" most of King Farm goes to RM, even the Gaithersburg HS part. So tired of RPES parents whining about Wootton. I get it, you want to go to W school and not RM.

Nah. I'm in the RPES cluster, and a lot of parents here would rather stay at RM than go to Wootton. I'm the PP who has stated repeatedly that MCPS is not going to move RPES to Wootton. And I'm fine with that.

RM Main Street is really nice. They did a great job. Kids love having open lunch. My kids enjoy/ed their time at RM. Many years ago when we moved here, we looked at homes from N. Potomac down to Kensington (I think we looked at over 40 homes). We could afford homes in Potomac. We chose the RM cluster for a reason.

Wootton is also falling apart (shame on MCPS).

I am the PP you are responding to. We were in the same boat. Chose RM over W/Potomac schools and I am actually happy we did.

Ok simmer down lol. If RM didn’t have the IB program it would be a trash. It brought in RPES to make it better and home equity is 70-100K less in many SFH neighborhoods. So then added IB. Then they added Fallsgrove. But the school can’t hide its core issues

Why don’t you simmer down? Wootton is the most irrelevant W school that everyone forgets exists. Parents from Churchill are revolting against their kids attending Wootton. It has an ugly building, is located in a terrible town/zip-code, and is all the way out in the middle of nowhere. If the plastics were W schools, Wootton would Gretchen Wieners. Wootton is truly the worst. Too poor/low income to be a real W and exists in the shadows of Whitman and Churchill, and too rich to be interesting enough to have scandalous incidents and fights.

Yes let’s go to RM, where it is “interesting and poor enough” to have incidents and fights daily on top of the locked bathrooms. Are you for real?!?

Wootton doesn’t care about anything but academics and a few sports. It is not entitled, basic MC/UMC and has no daily issues. That’s why home prices right next to the RM district that look identical are 100K more expensive. Families will pay to get into a decent school that prefers academics over scandals.

I mean your post is just laughable. I think you proved the PP point about RM.

Is this a joke? Wootton is so cheap. Your cluster consists of nothing but a bunch of NV homes. Wootton neighborhood is just Bowie with no Black people and a pool in the backyard. Most people in RM could sell their house and move to Wootton or even Whitman tomorrow. Homes near the town center are much more expensive than anything Wootton has. You’re the only W cluster where the median home price is below $1M. Wootton is a fake and wannabe W. Now go back to your dilapidated strip malls on a road that looks like Ritchie Highway in Glen Burnie and your dusty, old high school.

from that nearly 40 year old newspaper article... Now RM has the 'new' school and Wooton is aged. My oldest just graduated RM yesterday. She could walk to school, had open lunch, and great teachers. She didn't do IB but like half her friends did. I'm glad we arent being moved.

We absolutely chose an RM neighborhood over Wooton when buying houses. Both were affordable to us. We had 1 in IB and one not. Both had great experiences.

No one cares about if RM is “new” it is still poverty full and has terrible testing scores outside of IB. Even QO tests higher than non-IB RM.

I mean Gaithersburg and Crown are “new” and no one wants to go to either of them.

I said nothing about the age of the building.

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Anonymous wrote:City of Rockville all go to RM or Wooton.
City of Gaithersburg all go to Gaithersburg or Crown.
South and west of Gaithersburg and Rockville split between Churchill and QO.
Germantown and Clarskburg split between Northwest, Seneca Valley, Clarksburg.

It's just common sense.

Not really. FG is closer to Crown than Wootton, but FG is Rockville.

Like I said, part of the issue is that some of the schools are so close together that some people who are close to one school will end up at another.

FG is not closer to Crown - its *maybe* almost equidistant but Wootton is closer and accessible via the Millenium Trail. Walking from Fallagrove to Crown has no designated walking routes - there's not even sidewalks on part of the road heading from Key West towards Rio and it requires crossing Shady Grove Road and Key West Highway during rush hour.

This, one can easily bike/walk from Fallsgrove to Wootton entirely on sidewalks, but no way bike/walk to Crown.

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I don’t know who said QO RM etc weren’t overcrowded above but that’s obviously wrong. Not overcrowded the way WJ is but they are somewhat.

I was a prior poster who said the Crown $250M or whatever would have been far better spent doing additions to 5-10 schools at $25-50M each. Crown as it is is so close to multiple high schools and then to fill it you have to shift so many people which pisses off the entire county. Instead the alternative causes fewer disruption and saves money over time since 5 schools of 2500 kids is cheaper to run than 6 schools of 2,083 kids. Due to overhead cost reduction.

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Anonymous wrote:City of Rockville all go to RM or Wooton.
City of Gaithersburg all go to Gaithersburg or Crown.
South and west of Gaithersburg and Rockville split between Churchill and QO.
Germantown and Clarskburg split between Northwest, Seneca Valley, Clarksburg.

It's just common sense.

That actually doesn't work fully because Wootton is on the border of Rockville. There are non-city-of-Rockville neighborhoods right by it that would need to be bused FAR to Churchill or QO.

Incorrect. All three neighborhoods that back to Wootton are city of Rockville neighborhoods. So are the three ES they go to which are Ritchie Park, Lakewood, and Fallsmead.

Travilah, Dufief, Cold Spring, and Stone Mill are not Rockville. Cold Spring should be the only one that should absolutely stay. The rest are closer to QO and Crown.

+1 this idea makes perfect sense and would simplify things immensly - except that the students who attend Fallsmead but live across from crown should be sent to Crown for HS.

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Anonymous wrote:To no one’s surprise, very little change to Churchill under any of the options.

I’m in the small part that is changing. It’s pretty nuts because I live in the area right by the Potomac Community Center. That part of Wayside has been Churchill since its opening. We are literally 1.7-2 miles from Churchill yet the four options have us moving to Wootton which is 15-20 minutes a day longer commute. Not to mention this brings the Wootton boundary so far south. Very disappointed mostly because of Wootton being incredibly old/asbestos, the aforementioned increased time, and the fact that our neighborhood is very much part of the community with Beverly Farms, Bells Mill, Potomac and Seven Locks ES.

A big chunk of Wayside was developed in the mid 90s and originally was meant to go to Frost and Wootton but due to overcrowding at both, they moved them to the then under crowded Churchill.

Additionally a huge section of Potomac ES would stay at Churchill and drive past much of Wayside on the way. Whereas those areas might be equidistant from each, they are far closer to North Potomac community wise and should look different.

They really needed to redo ES boundaries as some are quite wacky and massively large. Also whoever was bright enough to build both Cabin John and Hoover MS within a mile from each other made a big mistake. A MS up closer to QO/Wootton/Crown would have been so much better.

The MS to HS splits are going to be pretty messy from both under these options.

That's not going to matter. Right now Fallsgrove is walking distance to Lakewood and Wootton but get bussed 15 minutes to Richie Park and Richard Montgomery. It's just the way ut is and always will work out that way for some neighborhoods close to certain schools but bussed to others.

Fallsgrove was part of a land sale deal which was contingent on this community never going to Wootton. No idea of the reasoning but this was the deal.

I read somewhere Fallsgrove went to Wootton like 30 years ago? (Can't remember precisely.)

Fallsgrove was built in 2002. During pre-build it was preliminarily zoned for Wootton but before anyone moved in it was moved to RM cluster. Meeting minutes from a 2000 city council meeting show tge council was concerned about overcrowding at Wootton due to Fallsgrove but other new communities have been built since and zoned into Wootton so it makes no sense. All of the new neighborhoods zoned into Wootton after Fallsgrove are farther away to the school than Fallsgrove is.

City Council minutes January 2000:
https://www.rockvillemd.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Minutes/2868?MOBILE=ON

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The Mayor said she had concerns about the school issues because it was clear Wootton High School could not absorb the population projected for Fallsgrove. However, if the Montgomery County Board of Education decides the students in Fallsgrove should go to Richard Montgomery High School and the staging of the development corresponds to either the building of a new RM or its substantial renovation, this issue could be very successfully resolved."

The Millenium Trail literally goes through/connects Fallsgrove to Lakewood and Wootton via the city's biggest bike/walking path but the kids get bussed to Ritchie Park, JW and RM when they could be walkers to elementary and high school.

Oh yea the ole bait n switch. I remember this clearly. Buy a new home into a W school district!! Then as the plots were sold and the houses were built they were like welp, sorry. We are gonna bus you further to a crappier district and you already lost 10-20% of your home value. People were spitting mad.

And for the people claiming they prefer RM must only be renters because Fallsgrove, Potomac Woods, Horizon Hill, Orchard Ridge, etc.. would see an increase of 50-100K on their homes value if they were moved back to Wootton.

We didn't buy our RPES/JW/RM house as an investment. We don't care about a 100k increase in value. We've spent over 5x that on renovations/additions

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Crown must be a holding school to redo the aging schools!

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Anonymous wrote:52 portable classrooms in use in high schools in the study area:
Clarksburg: 13
Churchill: 4
RM: 9
Northwest: 11
QO: 15

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP26_AppendixH.pdf

Alright, move students in these schools to crown. Wootton doesn’t need to be split up.

that's not how it works. Some of you are like little children.

Honestly, it feels like some of you and MCPS/BOE are the little children who just want to mess around without thinking about the real impact. Wootton isn’t even over capacity — there’s no reason to mess with it. Splitting Wootton is very disruptive and just causes stress for students and families. Leave it alone.

No, you people who don't think other schools should be touched are the children.

Wootton is part of the community; their boundaries are ridiculous, and some of that area is very close to Crown. Of course they should be included in the boundary study. Some of the MS in the surrounding area are also over capacity.

The fault of MCPS is that they should've redone the boundaries years ago rather than wait so long that all these HS became over capacity. HoCo redraws their boundaries every few years.

This right here!

So sick of hearing schools are empty and other schools have 10 portables. MCPS wastes money because they don’t have a normal zoning committee. They outsource companies that overcharge them and don’t give two shits about community

I like the idea a PP said about getting the top 10 seniors in each HS to come up with zoning. They would do a much better job and not eat up MILLIONS of the budget

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Anonymous wrote:City of Rockville all go to RM or Wooton.
City of Gaithersburg all go to Gaithersburg or Crown.
South and west of Gaithersburg and Rockville split between Churchill and QO.
Germantown and Clarskburg split between Northwest, Seneca Valley, Clarksburg.

It's just common sense.

That actually doesn't work fully because Wootton is on the border of Rockville. There are non-city-of-Rockville neighborhoods right by it that would need to be bused FAR to Churchill or QO.

Incorrect. All three neighborhoods that back to Wootton are city of Rockville neighborhoods. So are the three ES they go to which are Ritchie Park, Lakewood, and Fallsmead.

Travilah, Dufief, Cold Spring, and Stone Mill are not Rockville. Cold Spring should be the only one that should absolutely stay. The rest are closer to QO and Crown.

Please read better. I didn't say "back" to Wootton. I said "right by it." Look back and Overlea dr and the neigbhorhood near Frost.

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Why isn't geography the only driving factor in boundary options? Why do they always want to bus kids further and further out of their community? We're upcounty but these "options" are ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:City of Rockville all go to RM or Wooton.
City of Gaithersburg all go to Gaithersburg or Crown.
South and west of Gaithersburg and Rockville split between Churchill and QO.
Germantown and Clarskburg split between Northwest, Seneca Valley, Clarksburg.

It's just common sense.

That actually doesn't work fully because Wootton is on the border of Rockville. There are non-city-of-Rockville neighborhoods right by it that would need to be bused FAR to Churchill or QO.

Incorrect. All three neighborhoods that back to Wootton are city of Rockville neighborhoods. So are the three ES they go to which are Ritchie Park, Lakewood, and Fallsmead.

Travilah, Dufief, Cold Spring, and Stone Mill are not Rockville. Cold Spring should be the only one that should absolutely stay. The rest are closer to QO and Crown.

+1 this idea makes perfect sense and would simplify things immensly - except that the students who attend Fallsmead but live across from crown should be sent to Crown for HS.

Yes and go to Fields ES.

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Anonymous wrote:City of Rockville all go to RM or Wooton.
City of Gaithersburg all go to Gaithersburg or Crown.
South and west of Gaithersburg and Rockville split between Churchill and QO.
Germantown and Clarskburg split between Northwest, Seneca Valley, Clarksburg.

It's just common sense.

That actually doesn't work fully because Wootton is on the border of Rockville. There are non-city-of-Rockville neighborhoods right by it that would need to be bused FAR to Churchill or QO.

Incorrect. All three neighborhoods that back to Wootton are city of Rockville neighborhoods. So are the three ES they go to which are Ritchie Park, Lakewood, and Fallsmead.

Travilah, Dufief, Cold Spring, and Stone Mill are not Rockville. Cold Spring should be the only one that should absolutely stay. The rest are closer to QO and Crown.

Please read better. I didn't say "back" to Wootton. I said "right by it." Look back and Overlea dr and the neigbhorhood near Frost.

And those areas go to Fallsmead or Lakewood, both Rockville city ES.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know who said QO RM etc weren’t overcrowded above but that’s obviously wrong. Not overcrowded the way WJ is but they are somewhat.

I was a prior poster who said the Crown $250M or whatever would have been far better spent doing additions to 5-10 schools at $25-50M each. Crown as it is is so close to multiple high schools and then to fill it you have to shift so many people which pisses off the entire county. Instead the alternative causes fewer disruption and saves money over time since 5 schools of 2500 kids is cheaper to run than 6 schools of 2,083 kids. Due to overhead cost reduction.

It's close to multiple schools because all of the density is in City of Gaithersburg and City of Rockville.

That is also where most of the new housing in the pipeline are being built.

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Anonymous wrote:City of Rockville all go to RM or Wooton.
City of Gaithersburg all go to Gaithersburg or Crown.
South and west of Gaithersburg and Rockville split between Churchill and QO.
Germantown and Clarskburg split between Northwest, Seneca Valley, Clarksburg.

It's just common sense.

That actually doesn't work fully because Wootton is on the border of Rockville. There are non-city-of-Rockville neighborhoods right by it that would need to be bused FAR to Churchill or QO.

Incorrect. All three neighborhoods that back to Wootton are city of Rockville neighborhoods. So are the three ES they go to which are Ritchie Park, Lakewood, and Fallsmead.

Travilah, Dufief, Cold Spring, and Stone Mill are not Rockville. Cold Spring should be the only one that should absolutely stay. The rest are closer to QO and Crown.

Please read better. I didn't say "back" to Wootton. I said "right by it." Look back and Overlea dr and the neigbhorhood near Frost.

Doesn't Overlea Dr go to Fallsmead and has a Rockville address??