Should financial aid in private school be stricter?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

I guess diversity is only color to you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

There are full pay people of color. All the Sidwells and GDS and Cathedral Schools have them. But there are also FA white students who are teachers children too. So stop it. It doesn't matter.

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I'm sure the Obama girls didn't receive FA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

There are full pay people of color. All the Sidwells and GDS and Cathedral Schools have them. But there are also FA white students who are teachers children too. So stop it. It doesn't matter.

should FA for teachers kid that is simply a tuition discount be counted the same as needed based FA for randos?

Yes, in my mind it needs to be the same allocation of money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

You don’t recognize your bias in that statement? You assume the only criteria for diversity is skin color and that’s the only reason families of color receive aid. It’s not because the student is a great scholar, artist, musician, scientist, mathematician, or athlete?

Yes, kids of families that pay full tuition can be great scholars, artists, musician, scientist, mathematician, and athlete.

Why are we having this argument? Literally this affects a small number of people:

Sidwell: 75% are full pay, 25% receive financial aid
NCS: 77% are full pay, 23% receive financial aid
STA: 69% are full pay, 31% receive financial aid
HOLTON:76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid
LANDON: 74% are full pay, 26% receive financial aid
POTOMAC: 79% are full pay, 21% receive financial aid
GDS: 76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid

With the exception of St. Albans being a real outlier here, all the "name brand" schools in the area have less than a quarter of their total student body on financial aid. These are the schools with larger endowments compared to the rest and still they don't have boatloads of FA aid people.

do those stats of percent on FA include teachers kids whose aid is NOT need based?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

There are full pay people of color. All the Sidwells and GDS and Cathedral Schools have them. But there are also FA white students who are teachers children too. So stop it. It doesn't matter.

should FA for teachers kid that is simply a tuition discount be counted the same as needed based FA for randos?

I guess you really don't understand that FA for a white teacher's kid is the same as a tuition discount for other students. Each family still has to pay a portion of tuition and rarely is it at 99%. So it isn't a scholarship. If a kid is getting close to full aid the kid has to be academically really strong and the parents have to make a low income like under $100K. Once the child is into the school how are they random? You obviously don't have kids at any of the top schools because you would know that.

+1

And kiddo #2 at the school might not be as exceptional as their older sibling, but they should be included in my mind, as that family is part of the community now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

There are full pay people of color. All the Sidwells and GDS and Cathedral Schools have them. But there are also FA white students who are teachers children too. So stop it. It doesn't matter.

should FA for teachers kid that is simply a tuition discount be counted the same as needed based FA for randos?

I guess you really don't understand that FA for a white teacher's kid is the same as a tuition discount for other students. Each family still has to pay a portion of tuition and rarely is it at 99%. So it isn't a scholarship. If a kid is getting close to full aid the kid has to be academically really strong and the parents have to make a low income like under $100K. Once the child is into the school how are they random? You obviously don't have kids at any of the top schools because you would know that.

I guess I wasn't clear.

Aren't the tuition discounts for teacher's kids a fixed percent thats not dependent on need? That is, they get the discount whether their spouse makes $0 or $400k? Then doesn't that mean it's not need based?

Not all FA is need based, nor does it need to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

You don’t recognize your bias in that statement? You assume the only criteria for diversity is skin color and that’s the only reason families of color receive aid. It’s not because the student is a great scholar, artist, musician, scientist, mathematician, or athlete?

Yes, kids of families that pay full tuition can be great scholars, artists, musician, scientist, mathematician, and athlete.

The schools disagree with you and so do I.

Really? So they just want them for the money? Otherwise they don’t deserve private education? There is something called entitlement, and that’s a word that applies to you.

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You are replying to PP (probably an insecure man) who wants to see people's individual tax returns next to the amount of FA they receive from the school so he can get upset by the fact that Larlo cannot get a top education on someone else's dime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

You don’t recognize your bias in that statement? You assume the only criteria for diversity is skin color and that’s the only reason families of color receive aid. It’s not because the student is a great scholar, artist, musician, scientist, mathematician, or athlete?

Yes, kids of families that pay full tuition can be great scholars, artists, musician, scientist, mathematician, and athlete.

+1

DD is top athlete and scholar (full pay). Her best friend is mediocre student but top athlete (on scholarship). I think they all blend together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

There are full pay people of color. All the Sidwells and GDS and Cathedral Schools have them. But there are also FA white students who are teachers children too. So stop it. It doesn't matter.

should FA for teachers kid that is simply a tuition discount be counted the same as needed based FA for randos?

I guess you really don't understand that FA for a white teacher's kid is the same as a tuition discount for other students. Each family still has to pay a portion of tuition and rarely is it at 99%. So it isn't a scholarship. If a kid is getting close to full aid the kid has to be academically really strong and the parents have to make a low income like under $100K. Once the child is into the school how are they random? You obviously don't have kids at any of the top schools because you would know that.

I guess I wasn't clear.

Aren't the tuition discounts for teacher's kids a fixed percent thats not dependent on need? That is, they get the discount whether their spouse makes $0 or $400k? Then doesn't that mean it's not need based?

It depends on the school. Some offer a flat rate off tuition, while others tier it based on a full financial picture. I would argue that the teacher's children is getting a sweeter deal, especially if the spouse is making over $400K and isn't paying the full tuition. No way would a "random family" making over $400K get financial aid. So your example makes no sense.

That was my point, that the teacher's children is getting a sweeter deal and it should not be considered need based aid.

Newsflash - it's called financial aid not need-based aid. The schools can do whatever they want and they can name it whatever they like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

There are full pay people of color. All the Sidwells and GDS and Cathedral Schools have them. But there are also FA white students who are teachers children too. So stop it. It doesn't matter.

should FA for teachers kid that is simply a tuition discount be counted the same as needed based FA for randos?

I guess you really don't understand that FA for a white teacher's kid is the same as a tuition discount for other students. Each family still has to pay a portion of tuition and rarely is it at 99%. So it isn't a scholarship. If a kid is getting close to full aid the kid has to be academically really strong and the parents have to make a low income like under $100K. Once the child is into the school how are they random? You obviously don't have kids at any of the top schools because you would know that.

I guess I wasn't clear.

Aren't the tuition discounts for teacher's kids a fixed percent thats not dependent on need? That is, they get the discount whether their spouse makes $0 or $400k? Then doesn't that mean it's not need based?

Not all FA is need based, nor does it need to be.

Certainly that is true, that there is merit aid.

But when a school says X% of students are on need based financial aid, should that number include teachers' kids whose discount is not need based?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

There are full pay people of color. All the Sidwells and GDS and Cathedral Schools have them. But there are also FA white students who are teachers children too. So stop it. It doesn't matter.

should FA for teachers kid that is simply a tuition discount be counted the same as needed based FA for randos?

I guess you really don't understand that FA for a white teacher's kid is the same as a tuition discount for other students. Each family still has to pay a portion of tuition and rarely is it at 99%. So it isn't a scholarship. If a kid is getting close to full aid the kid has to be academically really strong and the parents have to make a low income like under $100K. Once the child is into the school how are they random? You obviously don't have kids at any of the top schools because you would know that.

I guess I wasn't clear.

Aren't the tuition discounts for teacher's kids a fixed percent thats not dependent on need? That is, they get the discount whether their spouse makes $0 or $400k? Then doesn't that mean it's not need based?

It depends on the school. Some offer a flat rate off tuition, while others tier it based on a full financial picture. I would argue that the teacher's children is getting a sweeter deal, especially if the spouse is making over $400K and isn't paying the full tuition. No way would a "random family" making over $400K get financial aid. So your example makes no sense.

That was my point, that the teacher's children is getting a sweeter deal and it should not be considered need based aid.

Newsflash - it's called financial aid not need-based aid. The schools can do whatever they want and they can name it whatever they like.

But isn't it misleading to call it need-based aid if it's not need based?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

You don’t recognize your bias in that statement? You assume the only criteria for diversity is skin color and that’s the only reason families of color receive aid. It’s not because the student is a great scholar, artist, musician, scientist, mathematician, or athlete?

Yes, kids of families that pay full tuition can be great scholars, artists, musician, scientist, mathematician, and athlete.

Why are we having this argument? Literally this affects a small number of people:

Sidwell: 75% are full pay, 25% receive financial aid
NCS: 77% are full pay, 23% receive financial aid
STA: 69% are full pay, 31% receive financial aid
HOLTON:76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid
LANDON: 74% are full pay, 26% receive financial aid
POTOMAC: 79% are full pay, 21% receive financial aid
GDS: 76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid

With the exception of St. Albans being a real outlier here, all the "name brand" schools in the area have less than a quarter of their total student body on financial aid. These are the schools with larger endowments compared to the rest and still they don't have boatloads of FA aid people.

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There is just a greedy little pig on the board that is upset they can't get more money from others so they squeal it s unfair. Truth is, I'd rather the teacher have it as a bonus, just like I get bonuses at work. Teaching is tough and I like to see the good teachers stay, even if their spouses have good jobs. My bonus isn't determined by my spouse's income either. So teacher's FA (or benefit or bonus - whatever you want to call it) shouldn't be determined by HHI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

You don’t recognize your bias in that statement? You assume the only criteria for diversity is skin color and that’s the only reason families of color receive aid. It’s not because the student is a great scholar, artist, musician, scientist, mathematician, or athlete?

Yes, kids of families that pay full tuition can be great scholars, artists, musician, scientist, mathematician, and athlete.

Why are we having this argument? Literally this affects a small number of people:

Sidwell: 75% are full pay, 25% receive financial aid
NCS: 77% are full pay, 23% receive financial aid
STA: 69% are full pay, 31% receive financial aid
HOLTON:76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid
LANDON: 74% are full pay, 26% receive financial aid
POTOMAC: 79% are full pay, 21% receive financial aid
GDS: 76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid

With the exception of St. Albans being a real outlier here, all the "name brand" schools in the area have less than a quarter of their total student body on financial aid. These are the schools with larger endowments compared to the rest and still they don't have boatloads of FA aid people.

+1
There is just a greedy little pig on the board that is upset they can't get more money from others so they squeal it s unfair. Truth is, I'd rather the teacher have it as a bonus, just like I get bonuses at work. Teaching is tough and I like to see the good teachers stay, even if their spouses have good jobs. My bonus isn't determined by my spouse's income either. So teacher's FA (or benefit or bonus - whatever you want to call it) shouldn't be determined by HHI.

But then the school wouldn't be able to include the amount in their FA stats. (and the teacher would be taxed on it)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

I guess diversity is only color to you?

Not really. Family paying full tuition are quite diverse.

[Anonymous]

I actually though all these school only gave need based aid, as opposed to athletic scholarships or merit scholarships. Kids may get in because of certain talents, but the aid is only need based. I could be wrong though.