Should financial aid in private school be stricter?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

There are full pay people of color. All the Sidwells and GDS and Cathedral Schools have them. But there are also FA white students who are teachers children too. So stop it. It doesn't matter.

Newsflash - nonwhite families on aid are not just teachers’ children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

There are full pay people of color. All the Sidwells and GDS and Cathedral Schools have them. But there are also FA white students who are teachers children too. So stop it. It doesn't matter.

Newsflash - nonwhite families on aid are not just teachers’ children.

Correction white

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

There are full pay people of color. All the Sidwells and GDS and Cathedral Schools have them. But there are also FA white students who are teachers children too. So stop it. It doesn't matter.

should FA for teachers kid that is simply a tuition discount be counted the same as needed based FA for randos?

I guess you really don't understand that FA for a white teacher's kid is the same as a tuition discount for other students. Each family still has to pay a portion of tuition and rarely is it at 99%. So it isn't a scholarship. If a kid is getting close to full aid the kid has to be academically really strong and the parents have to make a low income like under $100K. Once the child is into the school how are they random? You obviously don't have kids at any of the top schools because you would know that.

[Anonymous]

OP- and others this is an excellent program in New York. So, what about these children who are the best of the best and are going through a very rigorous selection process?

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

There are full pay people of color. All the Sidwells and GDS and Cathedral Schools have them. But there are also FA white students who are teachers children too. So stop it. It doesn't matter.

should FA for teachers kid that is simply a tuition discount be counted the same as needed based FA for randos?

I guess you really don't understand that FA for a white teacher's kid is the same as a tuition discount for other students. Each family still has to pay a portion of tuition and rarely is it at 99%. So it isn't a scholarship. If a kid is getting close to full aid the kid has to be academically really strong and the parents have to make a low income like under $100K. Once the child is into the school how are they random? You obviously don't have kids at any of the top schools because you would know that.

I guess I wasn't clear.

Aren't the tuition discounts for teacher's kids a fixed percent thats not dependent on need? That is, they get the discount whether their spouse makes $0 or $400k? Then doesn't that mean it's not need based?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

You don’t recognize your bias in that statement? You assume the only criteria for diversity is skin color and that’s the only reason families of color receive aid. It’s not because the student is a great scholar, artist, musician, scientist, mathematician, or athlete?

Yes, kids of families that pay full tuition can be great scholars, artists, musician, scientist, mathematician, and athlete.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

There are full pay people of color. All the Sidwells and GDS and Cathedral Schools have them. But there are also FA white students who are teachers children too. So stop it. It doesn't matter.

should FA for teachers kid that is simply a tuition discount be counted the same as needed based FA for randos?

I guess you really don't understand that FA for a white teacher's kid is the same as a tuition discount for other students. Each family still has to pay a portion of tuition and rarely is it at 99%. So it isn't a scholarship. If a kid is getting close to full aid the kid has to be academically really strong and the parents have to make a low income like under $100K. Once the child is into the school how are they random? You obviously don't have kids at any of the top schools because you would know that.

I guess I wasn't clear.

Aren't the tuition discounts for teacher's kids a fixed percent thats not dependent on need? That is, they get the discount whether their spouse makes $0 or $400k? Then doesn't that mean it's not need based?

Not the case at every school. Amount of discounts for teachers vary by schools and income requirements/thresholds also vary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

There are full pay people of color. All the Sidwells and GDS and Cathedral Schools have them. But there are also FA white students who are teachers children too. So stop it. It doesn't matter.

should FA for teachers kid that is simply a tuition discount be counted the same as needed based FA for randos?

I guess you really don't understand that FA for a white teacher's kid is the same as a tuition discount for other students. Each family still has to pay a portion of tuition and rarely is it at 99%. So it isn't a scholarship. If a kid is getting close to full aid the kid has to be academically really strong and the parents have to make a low income like under $100K. Once the child is into the school how are they random? You obviously don't have kids at any of the top schools because you would know that.

I guess I wasn't clear.

Aren't the tuition discounts for teacher's kids a fixed percent thats not dependent on need? That is, they get the discount whether their spouse makes $0 or $400k? Then doesn't that mean it's not need based?

It depends on the school. Some offer a flat rate off tuition, while others tier it based on a full financial picture. I would argue that the teacher's children is getting a sweeter deal, especially if the spouse is making over $400K and isn't paying the full tuition. No way would a "random family" making over $400K get financial aid. So your example makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

You don’t recognize your bias in that statement? You assume the only criteria for diversity is skin color and that’s the only reason families of color receive aid. It’s not because the student is a great scholar, artist, musician, scientist, mathematician, or athlete?

Yes, kids of families that pay full tuition can be great scholars, artists, musician, scientist, mathematician, and athlete.

The schools disagree with you and so do I.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

You don’t recognize your bias in that statement? You assume the only criteria for diversity is skin color and that’s the only reason families of color receive aid. It’s not because the student is a great scholar, artist, musician, scientist, mathematician, or athlete?

Yes, kids of families that pay full tuition can be great scholars, artists, musician, scientist, mathematician, and athlete.

The schools disagree with you and so do I.

Really? So they just want them for the money? Otherwise they don’t deserve private education? There is something called entitlement, and that’s a word that applies to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

There are full pay people of color. All the Sidwells and GDS and Cathedral Schools have them. But there are also FA white students who are teachers children too. So stop it. It doesn't matter.

should FA for teachers kid that is simply a tuition discount be counted the same as needed based FA for randos?

I guess you really don't understand that FA for a white teacher's kid is the same as a tuition discount for other students. Each family still has to pay a portion of tuition and rarely is it at 99%. So it isn't a scholarship. If a kid is getting close to full aid the kid has to be academically really strong and the parents have to make a low income like under $100K. Once the child is into the school how are they random? You obviously don't have kids at any of the top schools because you would know that.

I guess I wasn't clear.

Aren't the tuition discounts for teacher's kids a fixed percent thats not dependent on need? That is, they get the discount whether their spouse makes $0 or $400k? Then doesn't that mean it's not need based?

It depends on the school. Some offer a flat rate off tuition, while others tier it based on a full financial picture. I would argue that the teacher's children is getting a sweeter deal, especially if the spouse is making over $400K and isn't paying the full tuition. No way would a "random family" making over $400K get financial aid. So your example makes no sense.

That was my point, that the teacher's children is getting a sweeter deal and it should not be considered need based aid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

You don’t recognize your bias in that statement? You assume the only criteria for diversity is skin color and that’s the only reason families of color receive aid. It’s not because the student is a great scholar, artist, musician, scientist, mathematician, or athlete?

Yes, kids of families that pay full tuition can be great scholars, artists, musician, scientist, mathematician, and athlete.

Why are we having this argument? Literally this affects a small number of people:

Sidwell: 75% are full pay, 25% receive financial aid
NCS: 77% are full pay, 23% receive financial aid
STA: 69% are full pay, 31% receive financial aid
HOLTON:76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid
LANDON: 74% are full pay, 26% receive financial aid
POTOMAC: 79% are full pay, 21% receive financial aid
GDS: 76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid

With the exception of St. Albans being a real outlier here, all the "name brand" schools in the area have less than a quarter of their total student body on financial aid. These are the schools with larger endowments compared to the rest and still they don't have boatloads of FA aid people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

You don’t recognize your bias in that statement? You assume the only criteria for diversity is skin color and that’s the only reason families of color receive aid. It’s not because the student is a great scholar, artist, musician, scientist, mathematician, or athlete?

Yes, kids of families that pay full tuition can be great scholars, artists, musician, scientist, mathematician, and athlete.

Why are we having this argument? Literally this affects a small number of people:

Sidwell: 75% are full pay, 25% receive financial aid
NCS: 77% are full pay, 23% receive financial aid
STA: 69% are full pay, 31% receive financial aid
HOLTON:76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid
LANDON: 74% are full pay, 26% receive financial aid
POTOMAC: 79% are full pay, 21% receive financial aid
GDS: 76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid

With the exception of St. Albans being a real outlier here, all the "name brand" schools in the area have less than a quarter of their total student body on financial aid. These are the schools with larger endowments compared to the rest and still they don't have boatloads of FA aid people.

FA is not funded by endowment money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for supporting people of color. Schools can admit people of color than can pay full tuition. There are plenty in the dc area.

Newsflash - they do!

Yes, hence you can achieve all your diversity goals without financial aid. Schools don’t really need to provide financial aid for diversity as you just confirmed.

You don’t recognize your bias in that statement? You assume the only criteria for diversity is skin color and that’s the only reason families of color receive aid. It’s not because the student is a great scholar, artist, musician, scientist, mathematician, or athlete?

Yes, kids of families that pay full tuition can be great scholars, artists, musician, scientist, mathematician, and athlete.

Why are we having this argument? Literally this affects a small number of people:

Sidwell: 75% are full pay, 25% receive financial aid
NCS: 77% are full pay, 23% receive financial aid
STA: 69% are full pay, 31% receive financial aid
HOLTON:76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid
LANDON: 74% are full pay, 26% receive financial aid
POTOMAC: 79% are full pay, 21% receive financial aid
GDS: 76% are full pay, 24% receive financial aid

With the exception of St. Albans being a real outlier here, all the "name brand" schools in the area have less than a quarter of their total student body on financial aid. These are the schools with larger endowments compared to the rest and still they don't have boatloads of FA aid people.

FA is not funded by endowment money.

Um- yes it is... the money is redistributed to different sources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what if you were on aid? That does not make you a lesser person or not apart of the community. You obviously chose private so your child can get a better education than probably what your local public was offering. I don't know why there is a stigma about being on FA. Your child brings a lot to the community, that money can't buy. We NEED leaders of color. Unfortunately, not to many get there without a good education. We NEED doctors, lawyers, engineers that can navigate complex systems of privilege and help bring a sensitive lens to multiple issues that matter to society. Our economy would not grow if all people of color were relegated to the underclass. That's probably what the people questioning the financial aid policies want to see. Because reading through 45 odd pages on this thread makes it obvious who they are talking about....

I think you miss the point. People assume we are on aid because of their stereotypes about people on aid. Then they see us travel to Euope or abroad and assume we are MC people using other people's money to subsidize our vacation. Did you read the other posts here. The point is, we have dark skin, so whatever we do in OP and folks like OP's eyes must be wrong. What they don't see is we are actually donors and their stereotypes might be wrong.