Gen Xers - Do you find Taylor Swift’s music bland?

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Anonymous wrote:Speaking of fans on the sidelines and overexposed people.

Matthew friggin' McConaughey.

Snoop Dogg is everywhere all the time now. Haven’t seen Matthew McConaughey in a long time.

Yes I guess it is because I live in Austin but he still has been in some random places this year nationally/sports/politically.

It’s because you’re in Austin. Snoop Dogg was all over the Olympics and was discussed on a football game this weekend because of his youth football league in Souther California that some player benefitted from. I don’t live in SoCal but see and hear about Snoop all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually agree that a lot of men's pro sports are pushed down people's throats. I love womens tennis and since Serena retiring no one ever talks about it anymore which is a bummer. I would find it ridiculous if I attended a wedding and they were playing a college football game. I find Tom Brady and Peyton manning incredibly overexposed especially considering they don't even play anymore. Agree that Snoop Dog is everywhere for no reason.

And also Taylor Swift is way too overexposed and I am tired of seeing her face everywhere and hearing her songs all the time and being told endlessly how great she is when I don't think she's that great. I am especially fatigued with hearing about her love life. I am a Harris voter and I was tired of hearing about her endorsement of Harris within 24 hours of it happening because I feel like it stomped all over what should have been coverage of Harris's stellar debate performance (and Donald Trump falling apart on national television). I hear about her about 1000x more often then I hear about any of the other things I just mentioned that I'm also tired of hearing about.

I missed the other threads hating these other overexposed entertainments… can you link them for me I can’t imagine how I missed them.

So dcum's search function sucks but here's just a few recent one's I could remember:

A thread about how tennis will (or should) eclipse football as the great American pastime: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1225749.page

Thread about how the NFL is "worthless": https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1111390.page#24306119

A whole thread about why Snoop Dogg was so prevalent and involved with the Olympics: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1218787.page

One thing that's different about these threads is that they die faster because peopel who are fans of the NFL or Snoop or whatever do not rush in and post a ton to these threads in defense. The Snoop thread got longer specifically because more people came in to defend him and the criticism sort of died out but the tone of it was just more mellow than the average Taylor thread. It was like "I think he's funny whatever" but no one is that upset that people don't like him.

Other threads barely make it a few pages because there is no back and forth. NFL fans do not care if other people like the NFL. It's enormously popular and therefore not going anywhere so if you don't like it oh well. Tom Brady gets a TON of criticism on this website and elsewhere (he's truly reviled by many people even as he's widely regarded as one of the best if not the best QB of all time) but people don't work that hard to defend him because it's like "whatever he has 5 SB rings". This is the normal reaction of fans of people or products that are enormously popular -- they don't really have to defend them because who cares if some minority of people disagree. These debates get no traction as a result. People who don't like these things say their peace and there's almost no response and then everyone moves on because whatever everyone is entitled to an opinion even if I think it sucks.

Swift threads regularly go on for 100s of pages specifically because Swift fans are extremely defensive of her and come out in force to try and refute every single argument against her. Both the plainly ridiculous ("she's ugly" or "she's talentless") or the obviously true ("she's overexposed" or "a lot of her popularity is the result of smart marketing"). Swifties won't yield and inch. And that only makes the people who dislike her happy because it creates something to argue against and ridicule. It locks everyone into this constant back and forth where no one can just say "agree to disgree I guess" even though that's the obvious solution.

If swifties just ignored or viewed themselves as above debates over whether or not others like Swift or not then these conversations would die pretty fast. But y'all take a scorched earth approach to criticism of her even though uh she's a billionaire and was named Person of the Year last year -- I think she's fine. I think actually enjoy feeling like the persecuted underdog even though actually you are just big fans of the single most famous musical act in the world right now -- it's not hard!

I think it's funny and participate in these threads even though I do not hate Swift and think she's talented and earned her success because I enjoy the back and forth and because some of the arguments I see on here defending Swift are so deranged I can't not engage. I suspect there are many like me on here -- we enjoy the fight. I'll post both in favor of and against Taylor depending on the issue. She's currently the most famous person in the world so there's lots of fodder for debate. It's a testament to her relevancy (but not actually evidence that her music is not bland -- I do think it is).

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Anonymous wrote:I actually agree that a lot of men's pro sports are pushed down people's throats. I love womens tennis and since Serena retiring no one ever talks about it anymore which is a bummer. I would find it ridiculous if I attended a wedding and they were playing a college football game. I find Tom Brady and Peyton manning incredibly overexposed especially considering they don't even play anymore. Agree that Snoop Dog is everywhere for no reason.

And also Taylor Swift is way too overexposed and I am tired of seeing her face everywhere and hearing her songs all the time and being told endlessly how great she is when I don't think she's that great. I am especially fatigued with hearing about her love life. I am a Harris voter and I was tired of hearing about her endorsement of Harris within 24 hours of it happening because I feel like it stomped all over what should have been coverage of Harris's stellar debate performance (and Donald Trump falling apart on national television). I hear about her about 1000x more often then I hear about any of the other things I just mentioned that I'm also tired of hearing about.

I missed the other threads hating these other overexposed entertainments… can you link them for me I can’t imagine how I missed them.

So dcum's search function sucks but here's just a few recent one's I could remember:

A thread about how tennis will (or should) eclipse football as the great American pastime: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1225749.page

Thread about how the NFL is "worthless": https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1111390.page#24306119

A whole thread about why Snoop Dogg was so prevalent and involved with the Olympics: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1218787.page

One thing that's different about these threads is that they die faster because peopel who are fans of the NFL or Snoop or whatever do not rush in and post a ton to these threads in defense. The Snoop thread got longer specifically because more people came in to defend him and the criticism sort of died out but the tone of it was just more mellow than the average Taylor thread. It was like "I think he's funny whatever" but no one is that upset that people don't like him.

Other threads barely make it a few pages because there is no back and forth. NFL fans do not care if other people like the NFL. It's enormously popular and therefore not going anywhere so if you don't like it oh well. Tom Brady gets a TON of criticism on this website and elsewhere (he's truly reviled by many people even as he's widely regarded as one of the best if not the best QB of all time) but people don't work that hard to defend him because it's like "whatever he has 5 SB rings". This is the normal reaction of fans of people or products that are enormously popular -- they don't really have to defend them because who cares if some minority of people disagree. These debates get no traction as a result. People who don't like these things say their peace and there's almost no response and then everyone moves on because whatever everyone is entitled to an opinion even if I think it sucks.

Swift threads regularly go on for 100s of pages specifically because Swift fans are extremely defensive of her and come out in force to try and refute every single argument against her. Both the plainly ridiculous ("she's ugly" or "she's talentless") or the obviously true ("she's overexposed" or "a lot of her popularity is the result of smart marketing"). Swifties won't yield and inch. And that only makes the people who dislike her happy because it creates something to argue against and ridicule. It locks everyone into this constant back and forth where no one can just say "agree to disgree I guess" even though that's the obvious solution.

If swifties just ignored or viewed themselves as above debates over whether or not others like Swift or not then these conversations would die pretty fast. But y'all take a scorched earth approach to criticism of her even though uh she's a billionaire and was named Person of the Year last year -- I think she's fine. I think actually enjoy feeling like the persecuted underdog even though actually you are just big fans of the single most famous musical act in the world right now -- it's not hard!

I think it's funny and participate in these threads even though I do not hate Swift and think she's talented and earned her success because I enjoy the back and forth and because some of the arguments I see on here defending Swift are so deranged I can't not engage. I suspect there are many like me on here -- we enjoy the fight. I'll post both in favor of and against Taylor depending on the issue. She's currently the most famous person in the world so there's lots of fodder for debate. It's a testament to her relevancy (but not actually evidence that her music is not bland -- I do think it is).

Ok cool. Hook ‘em.

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Comparing an entire genre (sports) to one person is a weird comparison. That is more like comparing music to sports or Taylor to one specific athlete. I don't think there is an athlete where they are talked about daily in every sphere.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing an entire genre (sports) to one person is a weird comparison. That is more like comparing music to sports or Taylor to one specific athlete. I don't think there is an athlete where they are talked about daily in every sphere.

Travis Kelce is trying real hard. He’s hitching is wagon to the Taylor machine to try to get the same success. Seems to be working.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a post from a 40 year old woman I know:

Someone commented “This is my Roman Empire,” and I’m sure I couldn’t have said it better myself.

Because of Taylor Swift:

-I get GOOD NEWS in my algorithm multiple times a day

-Food banks across the country are able to feed so many more people - a single donation of hers fed over 500,000 every month in California

-Her fans are becoming more generous - with those same food banks reporting increased donations

-A new, more humane standard for pay has been established

-Millions of girls and women feel more confident, safer, and inspired

-Countless people across the country have received support during tragic times. Just google it. It’s unbelievable

-An additional 35,000 Americans are now registered to vote, taking part in critical act of democracy

If you have anything negative to say about Taylor Swift (please keep it off my page) - I’m sorry you feel that way - truly - because her impact has been one of incredible positivity with impact that most of us could only dream of.

I’m grateful that I get to live during this time and witness this type of leadership - LOVE in action. 💗

You don’t think this is a tad unhinged?

What is unhinged is that so many people are saying negative things about TS that someone feels compelled to respond.

It's "unhinged" for some percentage of people in the world to express negative opinions about a billionaire pop star? Or is that actually just normal and predictable?

I think it's "unhinged" that a former president does, and that NFL fans are so incensed she goes to her boyfriend's games but don't care about every other girlfriend who goes, or that she has stalkers, and bomb threats and that a whole wing of a political party is posting about her... and grown as women on DCUM have created multiple threads to trash her... yea I think it's "unhinged".

Conflating Donald Trump saying he hates Taylor Swift because she endorsed Harris for president with someone saying "I have tried to like Taylor Swift's music but it just sounds the same and bland to me" is nuts though.

Donald Trump sucks and the people hating on Swift because of her political views suck. First because you have to be a nutjob to like Trump at this point and second because caring about the politics of a pop star is a waste of time -- there are pop stars with weird conservative views I don't like but I don't lose sleep over it.

But that's separate from a discussion of whether people like her music or her public image. You can be a Harris-voting pro-immigrant pro-LGBTQ pro-choice liberal and still not like Swift's music and that doesn't make you unhinged. It just means you don't like Swift's music and that's allowed. I personally think it's also okay to be annoyed by her presence at football games -- I always roll my eyes about the fixation on celebrities at sporting events and it annoyed me when I was watching the US Open and they kept cutting to like Seth Rogan and Tina Fey in the stands because who cares. It's not personal to the celeb I just think that fixation is silly. I like watching football and don't want to see an ad for Taylor Swift in the middle of game coverage because that's not why I tune in. I'm actually tired of the Kelce brothers as well -- the whole lot of them are overexposed and the fact that Jason still gets tons of coverage despite having retired is annoying. At least when Travis is covered it's because he's actually playing football (though then it will be some puff piece about him performing with Taylor at a concert in the off season and just... sigh. I am tired of all the Swift-Kelce stuff in the NFL. Sorrynotsorry. It was a little cute and funny at first but the fatigue is setting in for me.

No that’s not what this part of the thread is talking about we are talking about unhinged posts about Taylor. Trumps was unhinged. The NFL haters are unhinged … she doesn’t film or post it, the NFL does and they have always panned to family, but you don’t like this one person they pan too.

It’s unhinged to choose 1 over exposed person to hate. There are overexposed people year to year to year to year… you chose this one to hate.

Uh no. Look at the previous posts in this subthread.

Someone posted something a 40 year old Taylor Swift fan posted on her social media about how since Taylor brings her joy she doesn't want to hear anything negative about her and said "You don't think this is a tad unhinged?"

And we were discussing whether it is "unhinged" to be this obsessed with Swift that you feel the need to announce to people over social media that you cannot tolerate any negative opinions of her ever. Then someone else raised Donald Trump but no one was talking about him. Of course Trump's posts about Swift are unhinged -- he is mentally ill. Literally anything he says on any subject has a high likelihood of being unhinged. But this thread is not about him or about maga people who hate Taylor because she endorsed Harris. It's about people who find her music bland. And how that opinion (a mild and impersonal opinion about musical taste) is somehow not allowed because Swift fans will not allow you to say "I just don't really like her music).

This thread is full of people (none of them Donald Trump and none of them saying they hate Swift and none of them even really addressing her political positions) talking about their response to her music and discussing how it doesn't really speak to them or they don't like the sound or it all sounds the same to them. And over and over again these opinions are not permitted by Swifties who have descended on the thread (for reasons I don't understand) to explain that if you don't like Taylor Swift it must be because you have not listened to enough of her music or you aren't trying hard enough or maybe you're just stupid or pretentious or a conservative troll? Because it can't possibly be that you can arrive at the subjective opinion that her music isn't very good. That's not allowed. She's perfect. It must be something else. What can it be!? If we yell at you enough then eventually you will like Taylor Swift like you are supposed to.

Why don’t you understand why swift fans would be on this thread? The title is asking Gen Xers if they find Taylor Swift music to be bland. And clearly there are a lot of Gen Xers, whose answered to that is no. Why would they not participate in this thread?

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing an entire genre (sports) to one person is a weird comparison. That is more like comparing music to sports or Taylor to one specific athlete. I don't think there is an athlete where they are talked about daily in every sphere.

Travis Kelce is trying real hard. He’s hitching is wagon to the Taylor machine to try to get the same success. Seems to be working.

And she’s trying to have fun and be happy

Seems to be working

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing an entire genre (sports) to one person is a weird comparison. That is more like comparing music to sports or Taylor to one specific athlete. I don't think there is an athlete where they are talked about daily in every sphere.

Travis Kelce is trying real hard. He’s hitching is wagon to the Taylor machine to try to get the same success. Seems to be working.

And she’s trying to have fun and be happy

Seems to be working

Her multitude of sad songs suggest otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a post from a 40 year old woman I know:

Someone commented “This is my Roman Empire,” and I’m sure I couldn’t have said it better myself.

Because of Taylor Swift:

-I get GOOD NEWS in my algorithm multiple times a day

-Food banks across the country are able to feed so many more people - a single donation of hers fed over 500,000 every month in California

-Her fans are becoming more generous - with those same food banks reporting increased donations

-A new, more humane standard for pay has been established

-Millions of girls and women feel more confident, safer, and inspired

-Countless people across the country have received support during tragic times. Just google it. It’s unbelievable

-An additional 35,000 Americans are now registered to vote, taking part in critical act of democracy

If you have anything negative to say about Taylor Swift (please keep it off my page) - I’m sorry you feel that way - truly - because her impact has been one of incredible positivity with impact that most of us could only dream of.

I’m grateful that I get to live during this time and witness this type of leadership - LOVE in action. 💗

You don’t think this is a tad unhinged?

What is unhinged is that so many people are saying negative things about TS that someone feels compelled to respond.

It's "unhinged" for some percentage of people in the world to express negative opinions about a billionaire pop star? Or is that actually just normal and predictable?

I think it's "unhinged" that a former president does, and that NFL fans are so incensed she goes to her boyfriend's games but don't care about every other girlfriend who goes, or that she has stalkers, and bomb threats and that a whole wing of a political party is posting about her... and grown as women on DCUM have created multiple threads to trash her... yea I think it's "unhinged".

Conflating Donald Trump saying he hates Taylor Swift because she endorsed Harris for president with someone saying "I have tried to like Taylor Swift's music but it just sounds the same and bland to me" is nuts though.

Donald Trump sucks and the people hating on Swift because of her political views suck. First because you have to be a nutjob to like Trump at this point and second because caring about the politics of a pop star is a waste of time -- there are pop stars with weird conservative views I don't like but I don't lose sleep over it.

But that's separate from a discussion of whether people like her music or her public image. You can be a Harris-voting pro-immigrant pro-LGBTQ pro-choice liberal and still not like Swift's music and that doesn't make you unhinged. It just means you don't like Swift's music and that's allowed. I personally think it's also okay to be annoyed by her presence at football games -- I always roll my eyes about the fixation on celebrities at sporting events and it annoyed me when I was watching the US Open and they kept cutting to like Seth Rogan and Tina Fey in the stands because who cares. It's not personal to the celeb I just think that fixation is silly. I like watching football and don't want to see an ad for Taylor Swift in the middle of game coverage because that's not why I tune in. I'm actually tired of the Kelce brothers as well -- the whole lot of them are overexposed and the fact that Jason still gets tons of coverage despite having retired is annoying. At least when Travis is covered it's because he's actually playing football (though then it will be some puff piece about him performing with Taylor at a concert in the off season and just... sigh. I am tired of all the Swift-Kelce stuff in the NFL. Sorrynotsorry. It was a little cute and funny at first but the fatigue is setting in for me.

No that’s not what this part of the thread is talking about we are talking about unhinged posts about Taylor. Trumps was unhinged. The NFL haters are unhinged … she doesn’t film or post it, the NFL does and they have always panned to family, but you don’t like this one person they pan too.

It’s unhinged to choose 1 over exposed person to hate. There are overexposed people year to year to year to year… you chose this one to hate.

Uh no. Look at the previous posts in this subthread.

Someone posted something a 40 year old Taylor Swift fan posted on her social media about how since Taylor brings her joy she doesn't want to hear anything negative about her and said "You don't think this is a tad unhinged?"

And we were discussing whether it is "unhinged" to be this obsessed with Swift that you feel the need to announce to people over social media that you cannot tolerate any negative opinions of her ever. Then someone else raised Donald Trump but no one was talking about him. Of course Trump's posts about Swift are unhinged -- he is mentally ill. Literally anything he says on any subject has a high likelihood of being unhinged. But this thread is not about him or about maga people who hate Taylor because she endorsed Harris. It's about people who find her music bland. And how that opinion (a mild and impersonal opinion about musical taste) is somehow not allowed because Swift fans will not allow you to say "I just don't really like her music).

This thread is full of people (none of them Donald Trump and none of them saying they hate Swift and none of them even really addressing her political positions) talking about their response to her music and discussing how it doesn't really speak to them or they don't like the sound or it all sounds the same to them. And over and over again these opinions are not permitted by Swifties who have descended on the thread (for reasons I don't understand) to explain that if you don't like Taylor Swift it must be because you have not listened to enough of her music or you aren't trying hard enough or maybe you're just stupid or pretentious or a conservative troll? Because it can't possibly be that you can arrive at the subjective opinion that her music isn't very good. That's not allowed. She's perfect. It must be something else. What can it be!? If we yell at you enough then eventually you will like Taylor Swift like you are supposed to.

Why don’t you understand why swift fans would be on this thread? The title is asking Gen Xers if they find Taylor Swift music to be bland. And clearly there are a lot of Gen Xers, whose answered to that is no. Why would they not participate in this thread?

Why said Swift fans can't or shouldn't participate in the thread?

The comment was about getting defensive and engaging in back and forth debate over something that is inherently subjective instead of just accepting that people think what they think and letting it go. A lot of Swift fans can do the latter but some cannot and that's what drives all the traffic to these threads -- the need to "win" the argument about Swift which is unwinnable because we will never have true consensus on whether a music artist or celebrity is "good" or "the best" or not. People will always disagree. Nature of the beast.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

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I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Then give me an example of something I should listen to and appreciate.

There's this masterpiece about her sweater

https://youtu.be/K-a8s8OLBSE?feature=shared

I tried and felt like I’ve heard versions of that song from her before. Dreamy whisper pop. Got bored half way through and turned it off. Not doing it for me. Sorry.

That’s my issue with her latest albums. I listened to the first song and liked it. Then I kept listening and realized they all sound the same.

If I listen to a Beatles or Radiohead album, I’ll get variety from song to song. I don’t feel like I get that sort of rhythmic and sonic variety from her albums, especially lately.

It's interesting. I hear a lot of variety in the songs on TTPD and some of them evoke a lot of emotion, most especially Robin. Maybe we just have different definitions of variety and pick up the sounds/themes differently because of the different music we appreciate. I like Radiohead just fine but they don't resonate with me like they did in the 90s. The Beatles are mainly meh to me and always have been.

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Robin is a truly beautiful song and makes me tear up thinking of my (now adult) kids when they were little. I believe she and Aaron Dessner wrote that together since it’s about his son.

I find the pacing odd. And the line "but now we'll curtail your curiosity" is one of the clunkier lines I've heard. To me, this is an example of insisting on overlaying lyrics that don't fit.

They are protecting him from future pain and hurt. It’s a beautiful concept.

Uh- This is one where I can’t even understand Orr agree with the lyrics.

No one’s job as a parent is to protect someone from future pain. Your job is to give them the tools to deal with life.

And curtailing a kids curiosity is like child abuse as far as I’m concerned.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

+1

I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Then give me an example of something I should listen to and appreciate.

There's this masterpiece about her sweater

https://youtu.be/K-a8s8OLBSE?feature=shared

I tried and felt like I’ve heard versions of that song from her before. Dreamy whisper pop. Got bored half way through and turned it off. Not doing it for me. Sorry.

That’s my issue with her latest albums. I listened to the first song and liked it. Then I kept listening and realized they all sound the same.

If I listen to a Beatles or Radiohead album, I’ll get variety from song to song. I don’t feel like I get that sort of rhythmic and sonic variety from her albums, especially lately.

It's interesting. I hear a lot of variety in the songs on TTPD and some of them evoke a lot of emotion, most especially Robin. Maybe we just have different definitions of variety and pick up the sounds/themes differently because of the different music we appreciate. I like Radiohead just fine but they don't resonate with me like they did in the 90s. The Beatles are mainly meh to me and always have been.

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Robin is a truly beautiful song and makes me tear up thinking of my (now adult) kids when they were little. I believe she and Aaron Dessner wrote that together since it’s about his son.

I find the pacing odd. And the line "but now we'll curtail your curiosity" is one of the clunkier lines I've heard. To me, this is an example of insisting on overlaying lyrics that don't fit.

They are protecting him from future pain and hurt. It’s a beautiful concept.

Uh- This is one where I can’t even understand Orr agree with the lyrics.

No one’s job as a parent is to protect someone from future pain. Your job is to give them the tools to deal with life.

And curtailing a kids curiosity is like child abuse as far as I’m concerned.

The whole song sounds like she's being anesthetized for dental work. Even the music struggles to slow down and then bounce along and then drag out alongside her clunky lyrics. Pacing is random.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

+1

I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Then give me an example of something I should listen to and appreciate.

There's this masterpiece about her sweater

https://youtu.be/K-a8s8OLBSE?feature=shared

I tried and felt like I’ve heard versions of that song from her before. Dreamy whisper pop. Got bored half way through and turned it off. Not doing it for me. Sorry.

That’s my issue with her latest albums. I listened to the first song and liked it. Then I kept listening and realized they all sound the same.

If I listen to a Beatles or Radiohead album, I’ll get variety from song to song. I don’t feel like I get that sort of rhythmic and sonic variety from her albums, especially lately.

It's interesting. I hear a lot of variety in the songs on TTPD and some of them evoke a lot of emotion, most especially Robin. Maybe we just have different definitions of variety and pick up the sounds/themes differently because of the different music we appreciate. I like Radiohead just fine but they don't resonate with me like they did in the 90s. The Beatles are mainly meh to me and always have been.

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Robin is a truly beautiful song and makes me tear up thinking of my (now adult) kids when they were little. I believe she and Aaron Dessner wrote that together since it’s about his son.

I find the pacing odd. And the line "but now we'll curtail your curiosity" is one of the clunkier lines I've heard. To me, this is an example of insisting on overlaying lyrics that don't fit.

They are protecting him from future pain and hurt. It’s a beautiful concept.

Uh- This is one where I can’t even understand Orr agree with the lyrics.

No one’s job as a parent is to protect someone from future pain. Your job is to give them the tools to deal with life.

And curtailing a kids curiosity is like child abuse as far as I’m concerned.

The whole song sounds like she's being anesthetized for dental work. Even the music struggles to slow down and then bounce along and then drag out alongside her clunky lyrics. Pacing is random.

My theory is that she will just repeat the same
Note over and over until she get she words out she has written.

So rhythmically and melodically her songs will follow whatever the lyrics dictate.So in essence there is little melody or rhythm so she can fit the lyrics in

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

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I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Then give me an example of something I should listen to and appreciate.

There's this masterpiece about her sweater

https://youtu.be/K-a8s8OLBSE?feature=shared

I tried and felt like I’ve heard versions of that song from her before. Dreamy whisper pop. Got bored half way through and turned it off. Not doing it for me. Sorry.

That’s my issue with her latest albums. I listened to the first song and liked it. Then I kept listening and realized they all sound the same.

If I listen to a Beatles or Radiohead album, I’ll get variety from song to song. I don’t feel like I get that sort of rhythmic and sonic variety from her albums, especially lately.

It's interesting. I hear a lot of variety in the songs on TTPD and some of them evoke a lot of emotion, most especially Robin. Maybe we just have different definitions of variety and pick up the sounds/themes differently because of the different music we appreciate. I like Radiohead just fine but they don't resonate with me like they did in the 90s. The Beatles are mainly meh to me and always have been.

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Robin is a truly beautiful song and makes me tear up thinking of my (now adult) kids when they were little. I believe she and Aaron Dessner wrote that together since it’s about his son.

I find the pacing odd. And the line "but now we'll curtail your curiosity" is one of the clunkier lines I've heard. To me, this is an example of insisting on overlaying lyrics that don't fit.

They are protecting him from future pain and hurt. It’s a beautiful concept.

Uh- This is one where I can’t even understand Orr agree with the lyrics.

No one’s job as a parent is to protect someone from future pain. Your job is to give them the tools to deal with life.

And curtailing a kids curiosity is like child abuse as far as I’m concerned.

It’s a song about a kid dying of cancer. It’s about an actual kid who died of cancer at the age of 6.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

+1

I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Then give me an example of something I should listen to and appreciate.

There's this masterpiece about her sweater

https://youtu.be/K-a8s8OLBSE?feature=shared

I tried and felt like I’ve heard versions of that song from her before. Dreamy whisper pop. Got bored half way through and turned it off. Not doing it for me. Sorry.

That’s my issue with her latest albums. I listened to the first song and liked it. Then I kept listening and realized they all sound the same.

If I listen to a Beatles or Radiohead album, I’ll get variety from song to song. I don’t feel like I get that sort of rhythmic and sonic variety from her albums, especially lately.

It's interesting. I hear a lot of variety in the songs on TTPD and some of them evoke a lot of emotion, most especially Robin. Maybe we just have different definitions of variety and pick up the sounds/themes differently because of the different music we appreciate. I like Radiohead just fine but they don't resonate with me like they did in the 90s. The Beatles are mainly meh to me and always have been.

+1
Robin is a truly beautiful song and makes me tear up thinking of my (now adult) kids when they were little. I believe she and Aaron Dessner wrote that together since it’s about his son.

I find the pacing odd. And the line "but now we'll curtail your curiosity" is one of the clunkier lines I've heard. To me, this is an example of insisting on overlaying lyrics that don't fit.

They are protecting him from future pain and hurt. It’s a beautiful concept.

Uh- This is one where I can’t even understand Orr agree with the lyrics.

No one’s job as a parent is to protect someone from future pain. Your job is to give them the tools to deal with life.

And curtailing a kids curiosity is like child abuse as far as I’m concerned.

It’s a song about a kid dying of cancer. It’s about an actual kid who died of cancer at the age of 6.

Well then that is an example of not so great lyrics. If you have to know all the background they aren’t writing in the song in order to make it understood, that is not great storytelling. You have to know that in order to appreciate it, and it isn’t in the lyrics. Then n people like the PP who wrote it made them remember their kids childhood will be confused and confuse listeners like me who think it sounds horrible.

Poor kid and family though.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

+1

I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Then give me an example of something I should listen to and appreciate.

There's this masterpiece about her sweater

https://youtu.be/K-a8s8OLBSE?feature=shared

I tried and felt like I’ve heard versions of that song from her before. Dreamy whisper pop. Got bored half way through and turned it off. Not doing it for me. Sorry.

That’s my issue with her latest albums. I listened to the first song and liked it. Then I kept listening and realized they all sound the same.

If I listen to a Beatles or Radiohead album, I’ll get variety from song to song. I don’t feel like I get that sort of rhythmic and sonic variety from her albums, especially lately.

It's interesting. I hear a lot of variety in the songs on TTPD and some of them evoke a lot of emotion, most especially Robin. Maybe we just have different definitions of variety and pick up the sounds/themes differently because of the different music we appreciate. I like Radiohead just fine but they don't resonate with me like they did in the 90s. The Beatles are mainly meh to me and always have been.

+1
Robin is a truly beautiful song and makes me tear up thinking of my (now adult) kids when they were little. I believe she and Aaron Dessner wrote that together since it’s about his son.

I find the pacing odd. And the line "but now we'll curtail your curiosity" is one of the clunkier lines I've heard. To me, this is an example of insisting on overlaying lyrics that don't fit.

They are protecting him from future pain and hurt. It’s a beautiful concept.

Uh- This is one where I can’t even understand Orr agree with the lyrics.

No one’s job as a parent is to protect someone from future pain. Your job is to give them the tools to deal with life.

And curtailing a kids curiosity is like child abuse as far as I’m concerned.

It’s a song about a kid dying of cancer. It’s about an actual kid who died of cancer at the age of 6.

Well then that is an example of not so great lyrics. If you have to know all the background they aren’t writing in the song in order to make it understood, that is not great storytelling. You have to know that in order to appreciate it, and it isn’t in the lyrics. Then n people like the PP who wrote it made them remember their kids childhood will be confused and confuse listeners like me who think it sounds horrible.

Poor kid and family though.

They spent 6 months acting like he wasn’t dying of cancer so he could have 6 months more of childhood.

It’s nobody’s business except the family and TS what the lyrics mean and how closely they mimic exactly what the family saw and did.

It’s not about you. That must drive you crazy.