Gen Xers - Do you find Taylor Swift’s music bland?

[Anonymous]

Long may you reign
You're an animal
You are bloodthirsty
Out window panes talking utter nonsense
You have no idea
Strings tied to levers,
slowed down clocks tethered,
all this showmanship
To keep it, for you,
In sweetness
Way to go tiger
Higher and higher
Wilder and lighter
For you
Long may you roar
At your dinosaurs
You're a just ruler
Covered in mud, you look ridiculous
And you have no idea
Buried down deep and out of your reach, the secret we all vowed to keep it, from you,
In sweetness
Way to go tiger
Higher and higher
Wilder and lighter
For you
You got the dragonflies above your bed
You have a favorite spot on the swing set
You have no room in your dreams for regrets
You have no idea
The time will arrive for the cruel and the mean
You'll learn to bounce back just like your trampoline
But now we'll curtail your curiosity
In sweetness
Way to go, Tiger
Higher and higher
Wilder and lighter
For you

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

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I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Then give me an example of something I should listen to and appreciate.

There's this masterpiece about her sweater

https://youtu.be/K-a8s8OLBSE?feature=shared

I tried and felt like I’ve heard versions of that song from her before. Dreamy whisper pop. Got bored half way through and turned it off. Not doing it for me. Sorry.

That’s my issue with her latest albums. I listened to the first song and liked it. Then I kept listening and realized they all sound the same.

If I listen to a Beatles or Radiohead album, I’ll get variety from song to song. I don’t feel like I get that sort of rhythmic and sonic variety from her albums, especially lately.

It's interesting. I hear a lot of variety in the songs on TTPD and some of them evoke a lot of emotion, most especially Robin. Maybe we just have different definitions of variety and pick up the sounds/themes differently because of the different music we appreciate. I like Radiohead just fine but they don't resonate with me like they did in the 90s. The Beatles are mainly meh to me and always have been.

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Robin is a truly beautiful song and makes me tear up thinking of my (now adult) kids when they were little. I believe she and Aaron Dessner wrote that together since it’s about his son.

I find the pacing odd. And the line "but now we'll curtail your curiosity" is one of the clunkier lines I've heard. To me, this is an example of insisting on overlaying lyrics that don't fit.

They are protecting him from future pain and hurt. It’s a beautiful concept.

Uh- This is one where I can’t even understand Orr agree with the lyrics.

No one’s job as a parent is to protect someone from future pain. Your job is to give them the tools to deal with life.

And curtailing a kids curiosity is like child abuse as far as I’m concerned.

It’s a song about a kid dying of cancer. It’s about an actual kid who died of cancer at the age of 6.

Well then that is an example of not so great lyrics. If you have to know all the background they aren’t writing in the song in order to make it understood, that is not great storytelling. You have to know that in order to appreciate it, and it isn’t in the lyrics. Then n people like the PP who wrote it made them remember their kids childhood will be confused and confuse listeners like me who think it sounds horrible.

Poor kid and family though.

They spent 6 months acting like he wasn’t dying of cancer so he could have 6 months more of childhood.

It’s nobody’s business except the family and TS what the lyrics mean and how closely they mimic exactly what the family saw and did.

It’s not about you. That must drive you crazy.

What?no. Not really. I have spent maybe 5 minutes reading the PPs post and not understanding why she wanted to take away her kids curiosity.

Ok if it isn’t my business, why publish it, and I stand by the fact that curtailing curiosity is bad.

She used a bad phrase to describe it.

[Anonymous]

Ronan is the single that Taylor wrote in 2012 about a boy who died of cancer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_(song)

Robin is the song on TTPD that she wrote with Aaron Dessner. Aaron has a kid named Robin.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what’s overexposed is Men’s Sport.

You can’t go anywhere without seeing it. Evening news, thanksgiving day, grab a drink and they can’t even have a bar with out men’s sports on, I was at a wedding and the Ohio/Michigan game was on, go to grocery store jerseys everywhere, like can’t you wear something other than a shirt announcing your sports team?

OVEREXPOSED!

Yet the patron saint of sweater anthems and psycho girlfriend bop has to show up and make the men's sport ALL ABOUT HER. She's an egomaniac.

I found a Michigan fan!

Get a life!

I am a texas fan, and she's an egomaniac. Multiple songs about her golden vagine, and her clothes. Stupid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ronan is the single that Taylor wrote in 2012 about a boy who died of cancer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_(song)

Robin is the song on TTPD that she wrote with Aaron Dessner. Aaron has a kid named Robin.

Ok now I’m just confused, but…. Stay curious everyone- and let your kids be curious too!

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

+1

I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Then give me an example of something I should listen to and appreciate.

There's this masterpiece about her sweater

https://youtu.be/K-a8s8OLBSE?feature=shared

I tried and felt like I’ve heard versions of that song from her before. Dreamy whisper pop. Got bored half way through and turned it off. Not doing it for me. Sorry.

That’s my issue with her latest albums. I listened to the first song and liked it. Then I kept listening and realized they all sound the same.

If I listen to a Beatles or Radiohead album, I’ll get variety from song to song. I don’t feel like I get that sort of rhythmic and sonic variety from her albums, especially lately.

It's interesting. I hear a lot of variety in the songs on TTPD and some of them evoke a lot of emotion, most especially Robin. Maybe we just have different definitions of variety and pick up the sounds/themes differently because of the different music we appreciate. I like Radiohead just fine but they don't resonate with me like they did in the 90s. The Beatles are mainly meh to me and always have been.

+1
Robin is a truly beautiful song and makes me tear up thinking of my (now adult) kids when they were little. I believe she and Aaron Dessner wrote that together since it’s about his son.

I find the pacing odd. And the line "but now we'll curtail your curiosity" is one of the clunkier lines I've heard. To me, this is an example of insisting on overlaying lyrics that don't fit.

They are protecting him from future pain and hurt. It’s a beautiful concept.

Uh- This is one where I can’t even understand Orr agree with the lyrics.

No one’s job as a parent is to protect someone from future pain. Your job is to give them the tools to deal with life.

And curtailing a kids curiosity is like child abuse as far as I’m concerned.

It’s a song about a kid dying of cancer. It’s about an actual kid who died of cancer at the age of 6.

Well then that is an example of not so great lyrics. If you have to know all the background they aren’t writing in the song in order to make it understood, that is not great storytelling. You have to know that in order to appreciate it, and it isn’t in the lyrics. Then n people like the PP who wrote it made them remember their kids childhood will be confused and confuse listeners like me who think it sounds horrible.

Poor kid and family though.

They spent 6 months acting like he wasn’t dying of cancer so he could have 6 months more of childhood.

It’s nobody’s business except the family and TS what the lyrics mean and how closely they mimic exactly what the family saw and did.

It’s not about you. That must drive you crazy.

What?no. Not really. I have spent maybe 5 minutes reading the PPs post and not understanding why she wanted to take away her kids curiosity.

Ok if it isn’t my business, why publish it, and I stand by the fact that curtailing curiosity is bad.

She used a bad phrase to describe it.

Put down the wine girlfriend.

They, his parents, not you…. Oh my God, what is wrong with you because if you are not drunk, you really need serious help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ronan is the single that Taylor wrote in 2012 about a boy who died of cancer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_(song)

Robin is the song on TTPD that she wrote withAaron has a kid named Robin.

Ok now I’m just confused, but…. Stay curious everyone- and let your kids be curious too!

They are both about kids dying, not about Aaron’s child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know what’s overexposed is Men’s Sport.

You can’t go anywhere without seeing it. Evening news, thanksgiving day, grab a drink and they can’t even have a bar with out men’s sports on, I was at a wedding and the Ohio/Michigan game was on, go to grocery store jerseys everywhere, like can’t you wear something other than a shirt announcing your sports team?

OVEREXPOSED!

Yet the patron saint of sweater anthems and psycho girlfriend bop has to show up and make the men's sport ALL ABOUT HER. She's an egomaniac.

I found a Michigan fan!

Get a life!

I am a texas fan, and she's an egomaniac. Multiple songs about her golden vagine, and her clothes. Stupid

^^^ unhinged

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ronan is the single that Taylor wrote in 2012 about a boy who died of cancer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_(song)

Robin is the song on TTPD that she wrote withAaron has a kid named Robin.

Ok now I’m just confused, but…. Stay curious everyone- and let your kids be curious too!

They are both about kids dying, not about Aaron’s child.

Robin is about childhood in general.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

+1

I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Then give me an example of something I should listen to and appreciate.

There's this masterpiece about her sweater

https://youtu.be/K-a8s8OLBSE?feature=shared

I tried and felt like I’ve heard versions of that song from her before. Dreamy whisper pop. Got bored half way through and turned it off. Not doing it for me. Sorry.

That’s my issue with her latest albums. I listened to the first song and liked it. Then I kept listening and realized they all sound the same.

If I listen to a Beatles or Radiohead album, I’ll get variety from song to song. I don’t feel like I get that sort of rhythmic and sonic variety from her albums, especially lately.

It's interesting. I hear a lot of variety in the songs on TTPD and some of them evoke a lot of emotion, most especially Robin. Maybe we just have different definitions of variety and pick up the sounds/themes differently because of the different music we appreciate. I like Radiohead just fine but they don't resonate with me like they did in the 90s. The Beatles are mainly meh to me and always have been.

+1
Robin is a truly beautiful song and makes me tear up thinking of my (now adult) kids when they were little. I believe she and Aaron Dessner wrote that together since it’s about his son.

I find the pacing odd. And the line "but now we'll curtail your curiosity" is one of the clunkier lines I've heard. To me, this is an example of insisting on overlaying lyrics that don't fit.

They are protecting him from future pain and hurt. It’s a beautiful concept.

Uh- This is one where I can’t even understand Orr agree with the lyrics.

No one’s job as a parent is to protect someone from future pain. Your job is to give them the tools to deal with life.

And curtailing a kids curiosity is like child abuse as far as I’m concerned.

It’s a song about a kid dying of cancer. It’s about an actual kid who died of cancer at the age of 6.

Well then that is an example of not so great lyrics. If you have to know all the background they aren’t writing in the song in order to make it understood, that is not great storytelling. You have to know that in order to appreciate it, and it isn’t in the lyrics. Then n people like the PP who wrote it made them remember their kids childhood will be confused and confuse listeners like me who think it sounds horrible.

Poor kid and family though.

They spent 6 months acting like he wasn’t dying of cancer so he could have 6 months more of childhood.

It’s nobody’s business except the family and TS what the lyrics mean and how closely they mimic exactly what the family saw and did.

It’s not about you. That must drive you crazy.

What?no. Not really. I have spent maybe 5 minutes reading the PPs post and not understanding why she wanted to take away her kids curiosity.

Ok if it isn’t my business, why publish it, and I stand by the fact that curtailing curiosity is bad.

She used a bad phrase to describe it.

Put down the wine girlfriend.

They, his parents, not you…. Oh my God, what is wrong with you because if you are not drunk, you really need serious help.

Songs are released in the public sphere for public consumption. If she wrote this ‘just for his parents’ to understand as a gift, it wouldn’t be on an album for everyone to listen to, Apparently, there is controversy about the song and if it is about a kid with cancer anyway.

Are you really trying to argue that curtailing a kids curiosity is a good thing?

[Anonymous]

Ohhh I just got it- maybe you and she doesn’t know what curtailing means. It means you are lessening it. Not a good thing for a kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

+1

I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Then give me an example of something I should listen to and appreciate.

There's this masterpiece about her sweater

https://youtu.be/K-a8s8OLBSE?feature=shared

I tried and felt like I’ve heard versions of that song from her before. Dreamy whisper pop. Got bored half way through and turned it off. Not doing it for me. Sorry.

That’s my issue with her latest albums. I listened to the first song and liked it. Then I kept listening and realized they all sound the same.

If I listen to a Beatles or Radiohead album, I’ll get variety from song to song. I don’t feel like I get that sort of rhythmic and sonic variety from her albums, especially lately.

It's interesting. I hear a lot of variety in the songs on TTPD and some of them evoke a lot of emotion, most especially Robin. Maybe we just have different definitions of variety and pick up the sounds/themes differently because of the different music we appreciate. I like Radiohead just fine but they don't resonate with me like they did in the 90s. The Beatles are mainly meh to me and always have been.

+1
Robin is a truly beautiful song and makes me tear up thinking of my (now adult) kids when they were little. I believe she and Aaron Dessner wrote that together since it’s about his son.

I find the pacing odd. And the line "but now we'll curtail your curiosity" is one of the clunkier lines I've heard. To me, this is an example of insisting on overlaying lyrics that don't fit.

They are protecting him from future pain and hurt. It’s a beautiful concept.

Uh- This is one where I can’t even understand Orr agree with the lyrics.

No one’s job as a parent is to protect someone from future pain. Your job is to give them the tools to deal with life.

And curtailing a kids curiosity is like child abuse as far as I’m concerned.

It’s a song about a kid dying of cancer. It’s about an actual kid who died of cancer at the age of 6.

Well then that is an example of not so great lyrics. If you have to know all the background they aren’t writing in the song in order to make it understood, that is not great storytelling. You have to know that in order to appreciate it, and it isn’t in the lyrics. Then n people like the PP who wrote it made them remember their kids childhood will be confused and confuse listeners like me who think it sounds horrible.

Poor kid and family though.

They spent 6 months acting like he wasn’t dying of cancer so he could have 6 months more of childhood.

It’s nobody’s business except the family and TS what the lyrics mean and how closely they mimic exactly what the family saw and did.

It’s not about you. That must drive you crazy.

What?no. Not really. I have spent maybe 5 minutes reading the PPs post and not understanding why she wanted to take away her kids curiosity.

Ok if it isn’t my business, why publish it, and I stand by the fact that curtailing curiosity is bad.

She used a bad phrase to describe it.

Put down the wine girlfriend.

They, his parents, not you…. Oh my God, what is wrong with you because if you are not drunk, you really need serious help.

Songs are released in the public sphere for public consumption. If she wrote this ‘just for his parents’ to understand as a gift, it wouldn’t be on an album for everyone to listen to, Apparently, there is controversy about the song and if it is about a kid with cancer anyway.

Are you really trying to argue that curtailing a kids curiosity is a good thing?

I would say, not telling a six-year-old they’re dying of cancer Is a good thing.

But again, you sound like you’re drinking you’re not really following the train of the conversation.

Or maybe English is your second language.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ronan is the single that Taylor wrote in 2012 about a boy who died of cancer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_(song)

Robin is the song on TTPD that she wrote with Aaron Dessner. Aaron has a kid named Robin.

Thank you. Being chastised about a child with cancer by a fan who doesn't even know the difference between two songs more than a decade apart.

Wow, you do make everything about you.

What does your therapist say about that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ohhh I just got it- maybe you and she doesn’t know what curtailing means. It means you are lessening it. Not a good thing for a kid.

The song is about everybody, knowing that the child is dying of cancer, but not telling him, and pretending everything is fine and letting him be himself.

So yeah, curtailing his knowledge is a good thing.

You should watch the movie, called the farewell

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think that is the problem now. She is oversaturated. Music, sports, politics etc. Everything is Taylor Swift this or that. Her PR machine works overtime to get her name and face into every conversation that is making the news and then her fans multiply it all online. I would be happy to never hear about her again. Not because I have anything about her personally but I like to be able to go online without seeing Taylor Swift.

As for those who like her music - I get having a few songs on your playlist you like but the claims she is the best musician / lyricist / guitarist of all time and paying thousands to fly to see her or not understanding how anyone couldn't not like her music or any of the claims that make her out to be some super human - that is overboard.

^^^ talking about unhinged.

Girl, go for a walk.

I agree with the PP before you, and they are not unhinged at all. Swift and the Swifties are overkill. Does she compare to the authenticity and creativity of a Janice Joplin or Joni Mitchell? No, she does not. Maybe google those names.