Oakton crash

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

It’s not deflecting. It’s acknowledging that *two* mistakes were made.

Why fight so vigorously to deny that?

Because it's a lie. Oh, and the Toyota driver isn't getting arrested. Just FYI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The driver of the Toyota was expecting a car coming up at 30 to 40 mph, not 80 to 100!

THIS!

I'm sickened by seeing posts here piling on the Toyota driver for, gasp, trying to make a left turn. Who are these PPs acting as if the BMW going 80 to 100 shares any culpability here?

I guess none of those here who are trying to shift blame onto the Toyota driver have ever had the experience of starting to make a turn, seeing a vehicle in the distance and judging that there is time and space to make the turn -- only to realize suddenly that the vehicle is going FAR faster than you could tell visually at the distance involved. Looking at an oncoming car, if it's far enough away, you cannot necessarily judge that it's speeding at that point, you just see it and judge based on distance, not knowing that the vehicle will close the distance gap between you much, much faster than it appears it will.

The investigation will tell for sure if the Toyota driver has any culpability, but as others have noted, the high speed of the BMW will be key. If the BMW had not been speeding so very fast, it likely might not have bounced off the Toyota and gone up on the sidewalk where it killed those poor teens.

I suspect they're are families or close friends of the teen driver.

They will deny it, but of course it's blatantly obvious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

It’s not deflecting. It’s acknowledging that *two* mistakes were made.

Why fight so vigorously to deny that?

Because it's a lie. Oh, and the Toyota driver isn't getting arrested. Just FYI.

I once got into an accident while I was making a turn. I said the car that hit me was speeding. I was still at fault since the speeding car had right of way. I remember telling the cop, my parents and insurance that I did not see the car and it came out of nowhere so fast.

[Anonymous]

I feel bad for all these children. How are there 47 pages here about a minor. What is wrong with you people. If you're so enraged, put up cash to victim families or shut up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for all these children. How are there 47 pages here about a minor. What is wrong with you people. If you're so enraged, put up cash to victim families or shut up.

I believe it is 47 pages because everyone is feeling very bad for the children - two who passed away very young and had a very bright future ahead of them. And one who will have a very long road to recovery. These children deserved better.

Adults should absolutely be held accountable for their actions especially when it comes to wanton recklessness that claims young lives.

[Anonymous]

This is the first Father's Day the fathers of the two deceased girls will have to spend without their kids. Out of respect for them, please cut the stupid BS on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Another crash on Blake ln just now. Looks like no serious injuries (hopefully) but another one involving a left turn from one of the cross ways. Seriously people need to slow down and observe!

[Anonymous]

Here is something you can do to be part of the solution:

"To start a community dialogue on safety concerns relating to the Blake Lane Corridor, Palchik scheduled a virtual meeting for 7 p.m. to 8:30 p.m., on Thursday, June 23. The meeting will be live-streamed on Palchik's Facebook and people can register ahead of time for the Zoom meeting. Questions or comments can be emailed to [e-mail]"

For links to the event:

https://patch.com/virginia/fairfaxcity/2-dead-2-injured-blake-lane-corridor-crashes-raise-safety-concerns

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

It’s not deflecting. It’s acknowledging that *two* mistakes were made.

Why fight so vigorously to deny that?

Because it's a lie. Oh, and the Toyota driver isn't getting arrested. Just FYI.

I don’t think the Toyota driver should get arrested. That doesn’t mean that he is not partly at fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another crash on Blake ln just now. Looks like no serious injuries (hopefully) but another one involving a left turn from one of the cross ways. Seriously people need to slow down and observe!

Speed cameras or other traffic calming solutions can help.

[Anonymous]

I am the pp who said I was not the best driver when I was a teen. I was thinking about the teens who died today. The big difference is that this was in an area of a school. School zones have 20mph speed limits so the bmw driver was being reckless speeding in front of a school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the pp who said I was not the best driver when I was a teen. I was thinking about the teens who died today. The big difference is that this was in an area of a school. School zones have 20mph speed limits so the bmw driver was being reckless speeding in front of a school.

It wasn’t a school zone and the speed limit isn’t 20.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am the pp who said I was not the best driver when I was a teen. I was thinking about the teens who died today. The big difference is that this was in an area of a school. School zones have 20mph speed limits so the bmw driver was being reckless speeding in front of a school.

It wasn’t a school zone and the speed limit isn’t 20.

Ok then I guess my original thought of this being a tragic accident stands. I thought it was a case of those poor kids being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I just thought about how when I was a new driver turning, it was my fault even though I didn’t see the other car coming and that other car was the speeding one.

I live in a high traffic area. People sometimes honk at me for not turning fast enough. If the gap is small and a car is coming at me at 40-50mph, I am not turning. However, I see accidents all the time where a turning car is hit by another car. This happens all the time except no unfortunate pedestrian is struck.

I will just wait until the investigation is complete.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

+100. Disgusting.

+1 One can be open-minded and believe in witholding judgement, yet still be able to rule out "4runner driver shares fault" as a legitimate opinion.

That is the exact *opposite* of open-minded and withholding judgment.

No, you're just too dumb to realize it.

[Anonymous]

When are they going to charge the BMW driver it has been nearly 3 weeks. He could have left the country by now???