FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:So - I checked the calendar; We should be ending "Data Collection" phase and begin the "Draft Analysis and Draft Scenarios" phase;

June 2025 is the "Community Engagement";

So - the items I'm reading on the thread seem to be more speculation? what am I missing?

I'm looking at HS utilization - Herndon is at 114% and Langley is at 90%. McLean and Marshall are at 128% and 119%. Why is there so much talk about moving kids from Langley to Herndon? You are going to move from a less utilized to over utilized school to teach Langley parents a lesson? I can see moving kids from McLean to Langley the schools are close to each other. Marshall to Falls Church. Falls Church to Annandale;

South Fairfax has the greatest capacity. Logic would indicate shift of students north to south.

No idea where you’re getting these Herndon numbers from. FCPS has Herndon HS at 69% capacity in 2029-30.

And no one wants to be shifted south into low performing schools that often have unattractive IB programs.

Can you show me your source? This is the only one I could find: https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/high2019-20.pdf

I know mine is 5 years old but that's all I could find on the web-site.

You are looking at an old document with capacity numbers that predate Herndon’s expansion.

The latest: https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Draft-Proposed-CIP-FY2026-30.pdf

Thx. This document goes wildly the other way - Centerville/Chantilly boxed in Wakefield. They need to go North to Herndon/South Lakes/ Oakton/ Madison. Not sure about the racial-balancing conspiracy. You have your hands full just balancing capacity.

If you target Langley to Herndon that would be at the expense of Centerville and Chantilly. If these are the numbers they are going by then no-choice. Madison and Herndon are the only path for these schools.

The CIP they just approved provided for a major expansion of Centreville to 3000 seats.

Chantilly families are in no rush to move and the enrollment is projected to decline.

There are some parents absolutely obsessed with filling up Herndon with kids from schools other than Langley.

Just to be clear; I'm a Herndon grad. Looked at Herndon after renovation and it looks great. Very close with colleagues that have kids in Herndon. In my graduating class - we had one go to Stanford, Princeton, John's Hopkins, and Brown.

My obsession isn't with not going to Herndon it's chasing down some real truth since a lot of what's been said doesn't make sense.

And Chantilly according to the doc will be at 125%(2029-2030) directly contradicts what you just said. Which makes me wonder why you are throwing stones?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield was built out to 3000.

It was not. An additional hallway of classrooms was added hastily shortly after it opened but the common areas were not expanded. It is packed right now at 2800 students. The hallways are jam packed, there aren't enough seats in the lunchroom. It was not built for 3000.

The SB has repeatedly said that their preference is for smaller high schools. No one wants a 3000 student high school. It is already impossible to participate in many activities there.

Westfield has a program capacity of over 2800. They are building Centreville out to 3000 - once the construction starts next year, that ship will have sailed. Herndon just got expanded to about 2750 and Oakton to about 2650. South Lakes was expanded to a design capacity of over 2700 previously (and currently has a program capacity of about 2500).

It's been many years since the SB said its preference was for smaller schools. Meanwhile they've been plowing capital dollars into the expansion of high schools in western Fairfax and leaving other schools with fewer seats. If their projections for an upcoming enrollment decline at Herndon are accurate, eventually someone else is going to get moved into Herndon.

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I don't think stuffing 3000 students into a school when there are nearby schools with much lower enrollments AND excess capacity makes a lot of sense.

There are multiple large townhouse developments going up around Westfield. The Westfield boundary right now doesn't make sense because it is essentially two completely separate communities: Centreville and Herndon, with an airport in between. Moving Herndon kids to attend Herndon high school if Herndon has a ton of capacity just makes logistical sense, if you don't care at all about Farms rates or trying to balance diversity. If Langley is underenrolled, I don't see moving kids out of it making sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So - I checked the calendar; We should be ending "Data Collection" phase and begin the "Draft Analysis and Draft Scenarios" phase;

June 2025 is the "Community Engagement";

So - the items I'm reading on the thread seem to be more speculation? what am I missing?

I'm looking at HS utilization - Herndon is at 114% and Langley is at 90%. McLean and Marshall are at 128% and 119%. Why is there so much talk about moving kids from Langley to Herndon? You are going to move from a less utilized to over utilized school to teach Langley parents a lesson? I can see moving kids from McLean to Langley the schools are close to each other. Marshall to Falls Church. Falls Church to Annandale;

South Fairfax has the greatest capacity. Logic would indicate shift of students north to south.

No idea where you’re getting these Herndon numbers from. FCPS has Herndon HS at 69% capacity in 2029-30.

And no one wants to be shifted south into low performing schools that often have unattractive IB programs.

Can you show me your source? This is the only one I could find: https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/high2019-20.pdf

I know mine is 5 years old but that's all I could find on the web-site.

You are looking at an old document with capacity numbers that predate Herndon’s expansion.

The latest: https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Draft-Proposed-CIP-FY2026-30.pdf

Thx. This document goes wildly the other way - Centerville/Chantilly boxed in Wakefield. They need to go North to Herndon/South Lakes/ Oakton/ Madison. Not sure about the racial-balancing conspiracy. You have your hands full just balancing capacity.

If you target Langley to Herndon that would be at the expense of Centerville and Chantilly. If these are the numbers they are going by then no-choice. Madison and Herndon are the only path for these schools.

The CIP they just approved provided for a major expansion of Centreville to 3000 seats.

Chantilly families are in no rush to move and the enrollment is projected to decline.

There are some parents absolutely obsessed with filling up Herndon with kids from schools other than Langley.

Just to be clear; I'm a Herndon grad. Looked at Herndon after renovation and it looks great. Very close with colleagues that have kids in Herndon. In my graduating class - we had one go to Stanford, Princeton, John's Hopkins, and Brown.

My obsession isn't with not going to Herndon it's chasing down some real truth since a lot of what's been said doesn't make sense.

And Chantilly according to the doc will be at 125%(2029-2030) directly contradicts what you just said. Which makes me wonder why you are throwing stones?

Chantilly had a membership of 2916 in the fall of 2024. They are projecting that its enrollment will decline to 2605 by 2029-30.

The latest projections have Chantilly at 98% by 2029-30, including the modular, and 112% excluding the modular (not 125%).

You can talk to Chantilly families, and you aren't going to find many who want to move. Your quest to "chase down some real truth" should start by looking at the latest projections, portraying them accurately rather than inaccurately, and talking to more people in the area.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield was built out to 3000.

It was not. An additional hallway of classrooms was added hastily shortly after it opened but the common areas were not expanded. It is packed right now at 2800 students. The hallways are jam packed, there aren't enough seats in the lunchroom. It was not built for 3000.

The SB has repeatedly said that their preference is for smaller high schools. No one wants a 3000 student high school. It is already impossible to participate in many activities there.

It has a design capacity in the CIP of 2823 and a program capacity of 2707. Those are the numbers they use. Current membership of 2604 and projected to stay flat.

[Anonymous]

A school that was designed or renovated for 3000 is very different than a school designed for 2500 with trailers and a half-assed addition of classrooms bringing it technically up to 3000.

Westfield has the same floor plan as South County (built later) but South County also has an extra building, an auxiliary building "bubble" that is used for lots of school events and sports. I don't know why Westfield doesn't have that as well. Seems inequitable considering South County is way under capacity with only 2200 students and Westfield has 2800.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Westfield was built out to 3000.

It was not. An additional hallway of classrooms was added hastily shortly after it opened but the common areas were not expanded. It is packed right now at 2800 students. The hallways are jam packed, there aren't enough seats in the lunchroom. It was not built for 3000.

The SB has repeatedly said that their preference is for smaller high schools. No one wants a 3000 student high school. It is already impossible to participate in many activities there.

It has a design capacity in the CIP of 2823 and a program capacity of 2707. Those are the numbers they use. Current membership of 2604 and projected to stay flat.

Where do you see these numbers online? They had 2756 last school year so that would be a big drop in one year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Westfield was built out to 3000.

It was not. An additional hallway of classrooms was added hastily shortly after it opened but the common areas were not expanded. It is packed right now at 2800 students. The hallways are jam packed, there aren't enough seats in the lunchroom. It was not built for 3000.

The SB has repeatedly said that their preference is for smaller high schools. No one wants a 3000 student high school. It is already impossible to participate in many activities there.

It has a design capacity in the CIP of 2823 and a program capacity of 2707. Those are the numbers they use. Current membership of 2604 and projected to stay flat.

Current program capacity of Westfield per the latest CIP is 2808, not 2707. Membership in January 2025 is 2709 and projected to decline slightly to 2627 by 2029-30. Of course the projections could change since FCPS doesn't take development into account in projections until a developer has broken ground.

[Anonymous]

Why is south county so under capacity? That is wasteful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Westfield was built out to 3000.

It was not. An additional hallway of classrooms was added hastily shortly after it opened but the common areas were not expanded. It is packed right now at 2800 students. The hallways are jam packed, there aren't enough seats in the lunchroom. It was not built for 3000.

The SB has repeatedly said that their preference is for smaller high schools. No one wants a 3000 student high school. It is already impossible to participate in many activities there.

It has a design capacity in the CIP of 2823 and a program capacity of 2707. Those are the numbers they use. Current membership of 2604 and projected to stay flat.

Where do you see these numbers online? They had 2756 last school year so that would be a big drop in one year.

DP. Lots of inaccurate posts today by a poster who apparently relies on documents from five years ago and can't be bothered to access the latest information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Westfield was built out to 3000.

It was not. An additional hallway of classrooms was added hastily shortly after it opened but the common areas were not expanded. It is packed right now at 2800 students. The hallways are jam packed, there aren't enough seats in the lunchroom. It was not built for 3000.

The SB has repeatedly said that their preference is for smaller high schools. No one wants a 3000 student high school. It is already impossible to participate in many activities there.

It has a design capacity in the CIP of 2823 and a program capacity of 2707. Those are the numbers they use. Current membership of 2604 and projected to stay flat.

Where do you see these numbers online? They had 2756 last school year so that would be a big drop in one year.

DP. Lots of inaccurate posts today by a poster who apparently relies on documents from five years ago and can't be bothered to access the latest information.

Yeah, sorry. Looked at the old one again. 2823 Design, 2808 Program, 2710 Membership, projected to decline now. Goes to show how reliable these projections are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is south county so under capacity? That is wasteful.

Probably because it was originally built as a secondary school but then South County Middle opened, creating capacity.

It looks like, over the past decade, the 9-12 enrollment peaked at 2272 in SY 2021-22, but has since declined to about 2090. Latest projections have it at 1955 by 2029-30.

Not sure where you'd get kids to increase the enrollment - maybe from Lake Braddock or West Springfield.

[Anonymous]

new construction in the area:

200 townhouses plus a multifamily apartment building (zoned for Chantilly HS)

https://www.khov.com/new-construction-homes/virginia/chantilly/the-boulevards-at-westfields/?ref=LocalListing_-1_TheBoulevardsatWestfields&utm_source=LocalListing&utm_medium=organic&utm_term=-1&utm_content=TheBoulevardsatWestfields


"Gallery park at westfields" 150 townhouses zoned to westfield
https://www.khov.com/new-construction-homes/virginia/chantilly/gallery-park-at-westfields/maywood/

Commonwealth Place at Westfield (zoned for Westfield)-100? townhouses
https://www.tollbrothers.com/luxury-homes-for-sale/Virginia/Commonwealth-Place-at-Westfields-The-Belle-Haven-Collection

At least 100 townhouses, 'Arpina Valley' Herndon-zoned to Westfield, Coates ES
https://www.zillow.com/community/arpina-valley/31165250_plid/

Overlook at Dulles Tech-Herndon, zoned to Westfield (170 condos)
https://www.stanleymartin.com/virginia/northern-virginia/herndon/overlook-at-dulles-tech?state=va&metroarea=northern%2Bvirginia&view=neighborhoods&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&creativeid=646234452717&utm_keyword=new%2520townhomes%2520herndon%2520va&matchtype=p&network=g&device=c&utm_content=&utm_id=9098025802&utm_campaign=Google_NVA_Search_In-State-Herndon&pos=&utm_term=new%20townhomes%20herndon%20va&gad_source=1&UrlReferrer=%2Fsmart-selected-homes&MetroAreaID=1000&Neighborhood=Overlook_at_Dulles_Tech&CampaignID=1&CampaignCode=1&Trn_CampaignCode=1&Trn_MetroAreaID=1000&Trn_ProjectGroupID=DUT&_gl=1*h2bzhy*_up*MQ..*_gs*MQ..*_ga*NzA2MDYyMzM0LjE3Mzk5OTA2MTU.*_ga_L89ETEH7S8*MTczOTk5MDYxNS4xLjEuMTczOTk5MDYxMy42MC4wLjA.&gclid=CjwKCAiAn9a9BhBtEiwAbKg6fhL8eZ_cFLY6TJeSTTtdBKpfi_F9jDG9DRofqUzTZdl52Xkfc-IaHBoCOE0QAvD_BwE


Park Place, new townhouses, zoned to Herndon, not sure how many units
https://www.stanleymartin.com/virginia/northern-virginia/herndon/park-place?state=va&metroarea=northern%2Bvirginia&view=neighborhoods&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&creativeid=646234452717&utm_keyword=new%2520townhomes%2520herndon%2520va&matchtype=p&network=g&device=c&utm_content=&utm_id=9098025802&utm_campaign=Google_NVA_Search_In-State-Herndon&pos=&utm_term=new%20townhomes%20herndon%20va&gad_source=1&UrlReferrer=%2Fsmart-selected-homes&MetroAreaID=1000&Neighborhood=Park_Place&CampaignID=1&CampaignCode=1&Trn_CampaignCode=1&Trn_MetroAreaID=1000&Trn_ProjectGroupID=HCC&_gl=1*zbehdi*_up*MQ..*_gs*MQ..&gclid=CjwKCAiAn9a9BhBtEiwAbKg6fhL8eZ_cFLY6TJeSTTtdBKpfi_F9jDG9DRofqUzTZdl52Xkfc-IaHBoCOE0QAvD_BwE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is south county so under capacity? That is wasteful.

Probably because it was originally built as a secondary school but then South County Middle opened, creating capacity.

It looks like, over the past decade, the 9-12 enrollment peaked at 2272 in SY 2021-22, but has since declined to about 2090. Latest projections have it at 1955 by 2029-30.

Not sure where you'd get kids to increase the enrollment - maybe from Lake Braddock or West Springfield.

If West Springfield is overcrowded, isn't that a logical shift?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:new construction in the area:

200 townhouses plus a multifamily apartment building (zoned for Chantilly HS)

https://www.khov.com/new-construction-homes/virginia/chantilly/the-boulevards-at-westfields/?ref=LocalListing_-1_TheBoulevardsatWestfields&utm_source=LocalListing&utm_medium=organic&utm_term=-1&utm_content=TheBoulevardsatWestfields


"Gallery park at westfields" 150 townhouses zoned to westfield
https://www.khov.com/new-construction-homes/virginia/chantilly/gallery-park-at-westfields/maywood/

Commonwealth Place at Westfield (zoned for Westfield)-100? townhouses
https://www.tollbrothers.com/luxury-homes-for-sale/Virginia/Commonwealth-Place-at-Westfields-The-Belle-Haven-Collection

At least 100 townhouses, 'Arpina Valley' Herndon-zoned to Westfield, Coates ES
https://www.zillow.com/community/arpina-valley/31165250_plid/

Overlook at Dulles Tech-Herndon, zoned to Westfield (170 condos)
https://www.stanleymartin.com/virginia/northern-virginia/herndon/overlook-at-dulles-tech?state=va&metroarea=northern%2Bvirginia&view=neighborhoods&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&creativeid=646234452717&utm_keyword=new%2520townhomes%2520herndon%2520va&matchtype=p&network=g&device=c&utm_content=&utm_id=9098025802&utm_campaign=Google_NVA_Search_In-State-Herndon&pos=&utm_term=new%20townhomes%20herndon%20va&gad_source=1&UrlReferrer=%2Fsmart-selected-homes&MetroAreaID=1000&Neighborhood=Overlook_at_Dulles_Tech&CampaignID=1&CampaignCode=1&Trn_CampaignCode=1&Trn_MetroAreaID=1000&Trn_ProjectGroupID=DUT&_gl=1*h2bzhy*_up*MQ..*_gs*MQ..*_ga*NzA2MDYyMzM0LjE3Mzk5OTA2MTU.*_ga_L89ETEH7S8*MTczOTk5MDYxNS4xLjEuMTczOTk5MDYxMy42MC4wLjA.&gclid=CjwKCAiAn9a9BhBtEiwAbKg6fhL8eZ_cFLY6TJeSTTtdBKpfi_F9jDG9DRofqUzTZdl52Xkfc-IaHBoCOE0QAvD_BwE


Park Place, new townhouses, zoned to Herndon, not sure how many units
https://www.stanleymartin.com/virginia/northern-virginia/herndon/park-place?state=va&metroarea=northern%2Bvirginia&view=neighborhoods&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&creativeid=646234452717&utm_keyword=new%2520townhomes%2520herndon%2520va&matchtype=p&network=g&device=c&utm_content=&utm_id=9098025802&utm_campaign=Google_NVA_Search_In-State-Herndon&pos=&utm_term=new%20townhomes%20herndon%20va&gad_source=1&UrlReferrer=%2Fsmart-selected-homes&MetroAreaID=1000&Neighborhood=Park_Place&CampaignID=1&CampaignCode=1&Trn_CampaignCode=1&Trn_MetroAreaID=1000&Trn_ProjectGroupID=HCC&_gl=1*zbehdi*_up*MQ..*_gs*MQ..&gclid=CjwKCAiAn9a9BhBtEiwAbKg6fhL8eZ_cFLY6TJeSTTtdBKpfi_F9jDG9DRofqUzTZdl52Xkfc-IaHBoCOE0QAvD_BwE

That is a lot of new construction.

Does FCPS have data on how many students at each level (ES, MS. HS) a townhouse community will add?