Confederate Battle Flag

[Anonymous]

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You don't control the way others interpret symbols..... We would all be well served to remember this.

That cuts both ways, which is why most thinking people don't buy into the "heritage not hate" crap that apologists keep putting out there, because thinking people are acutely aware that the only major historical events associated with the Confederate flag are the bloody and awful Civil War which cost so many lives, which was indeed about slavery, after which the Confederate flag was largely abandoned and laid dormant for decades, only to be resurrected in connection with the KKK in the early 1900s, and making a strong resurgence in protest to desegregation and the Civil Rights movement. Sadly those are things that have not been correctly, completely or accurately taught in many southern States, leaving some to believe the revisionist version and deny those associations.

It does cut both ways!!! I am pro flag. I mean precisely that- your description of the flags meaning differs greatly from mine. If you understand that my flying the flag is not about segregation (for me!) then you'll understand my position better, just as I should open my mind to yours.

That approach does not necessarily lead to agreement, but at least acknowledges that there are real people with differing views.

By this standard, any Muslim could fly the flag of ISIS, because it's just a bunch of words which proclaim faith in Allah and a belief that Mohammed is a prophet. What is the harm in that?

It is impossible to argue with you since you are so deeply versed in southern history -- actually you think you know so much that you don't.... Simply look in google images for confederate reunion and you'll find picture after picture of the stars and bars from the years after the war.... Do you think the veterans kids and grandkids attended these? You make dogmatic class statements that the flag was hidden until the segregation debates - simply not true.

The confederate flag did not fly over state capitols until the 1960s in opposition to the civil rights movement - that is a FACT! Show me some WWII veterans and lets see if the flag was waving.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You don't control the way others interpret symbols..... We would all be well served to remember this.

That cuts both ways, which is why most thinking people don't buy into the "heritage not hate" crap that apologists keep putting out there, because thinking people are acutely aware that the only major historical events associated with the Confederate flag are the bloody and awful Civil War which cost so many lives, which was indeed about slavery, after which the Confederate flag was largely abandoned and laid dormant for decades, only to be resurrected in connection with the KKK in the early 1900s, and making a strong resurgence in protest to desegregation and the Civil Rights movement. Sadly those are things that have not been correctly, completely or accurately taught in many southern States, leaving some to believe the revisionist version and deny those associations.

It does cut both ways!!! I am pro flag. I mean precisely that- your description of the flags meaning differs greatly from mine. If you understand that my flying the flag is not about segregation (for me!) then you'll understand my position better, just as I should open my mind to yours.

That approach does not necessarily lead to agreement, but at least acknowledges that there are real people with differing views.

By this standard, any Muslim could fly the flag of ISIS, because it's just a bunch of words which proclaim faith in Allah and a belief that Mohammed is a prophet. What is the harm in that?

It is impossible to argue with you since you are so deeply versed in southern history -- actually you think you know so much that you don't.... Simply look in google images for confederate reunion and you'll find picture after picture of the stars and bars from the years after the war.... Do you think the veterans kids and grandkids attended these? You make dogmatic class statements that the flag was hidden until the segregation debates - simply not true.

The confederate flag did not fly over state capitols until the 1960s in opposition to the civil rights movement - that is a FACT! Show me some WWII veterans and lets see if the flag was waving.

Huh? Lots of use of the battle flag in WW2 -- carried at D-day, flew over a Japanese island. You just don't get it pal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You don't control the way others interpret symbols..... We would all be well served to remember this.

That cuts both ways, which is why most thinking people don't buy into the "heritage not hate" crap that apologists keep putting out there, because thinking people are acutely aware that the only major historical events associated with the Confederate flag are the bloody and awful Civil War which cost so many lives, which was indeed about slavery, after which the Confederate flag was largely abandoned and laid dormant for decades, only to be resurrected in connection with the KKK in the early 1900s, and making a strong resurgence in protest to desegregation and the Civil Rights movement. Sadly those are things that have not been correctly, completely or accurately taught in many southern States, leaving some to believe the revisionist version and deny those associations.

It does cut both ways!!! I am pro flag. I mean precisely that- your description of the flags meaning differs greatly from mine. If you understand that my flying the flag is not about segregation (for me!) then you'll understand my position better, just as I should open my mind to yours.

That approach does not necessarily lead to agreement, but at least acknowledges that there are real people with differing views.

By this standard, any Muslim could fly the flag of ISIS, because it's just a bunch of words which proclaim faith in Allah and a belief that Mohammed is a prophet. What is the harm in that?

It is impossible to argue with you since you are so deeply versed in southern history -- actually you think you know so much that you don't.... Simply look in google images for confederate reunion and you'll find picture after picture of the stars and bars from the years after the war.... Do you think the veterans kids and grandkids attended these? You make dogmatic class statements that the flag was hidden until the segregation debates - simply not true.

The confederate flag did not fly over state capitols until the 1960s in opposition to the civil rights movement - that is a FACT! Show me some WWII veterans and lets see if the flag was waving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You don't control the way others interpret symbols..... We would all be well served to remember this.

That cuts both ways, which is why most thinking people don't buy into the "heritage not hate" crap that apologists keep putting out there, because thinking people are acutely aware that the only major historical events associated with the Confederate flag are the bloody and awful Civil War which cost so many lives, which was indeed about slavery, after which the Confederate flag was largely abandoned and laid dormant for decades, only to be resurrected in connection with the KKK in the early 1900s, and making a strong resurgence in protest to desegregation and the Civil Rights movement. Sadly those are things that have not been correctly, completely or accurately taught in many southern States, leaving some to believe the revisionist version and deny those associations.

It does cut both ways!!! I am pro flag. I mean precisely that- your description of the flags meaning differs greatly from mine. If you understand that my flying the flag is not about segregation (for me!) then you'll understand my position better, just as I should open my mind to yours.

That approach does not necessarily lead to agreement, but at least acknowledges that there are real people with differing views.

By this standard, any Muslim could fly the flag of ISIS, because it's just a bunch of words which proclaim faith in Allah and a belief that Mohammed is a prophet. What is the harm in that?

It is impossible to argue with you since you are so deeply versed in southern history -- actually you think you know so much that you don't.... Simply look in google images for confederate reunion and you'll find picture after picture of the stars and bars from the years after the war.... Do you think the veterans kids and grandkids attended these? You make dogmatic class statements that the flag was hidden until the segregation debates - simply not true.

The confederate flag did not fly over state capitols until the 1960s in opposition to the civil rights movement - that is a FACT! Show me some WWII veterans and lets see if the flag was waving.

That's not a State Capitol. That is a pile of rocks.

[Anonymous]

These pictures show the use of the flag during ww2- I didn't post them but they are pretty clearly from that vintage.

The claims of some posters here that nobody knew of or displayed the flag intil segregation debates in the 60's has been soundly debunked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These pictures show the use of the flag during ww2- I didn't post them but they are pretty clearly from that vintage.

The claims of some posters here that nobody knew of or displayed the flag intil segregation debates in the 60's has been soundly debunked.

Indeed. I posted them - and they are from WW2.
This is in response to this post...."Show me some WWII veterans and lets see if the flag was waving.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Running a multimillion dollar business is "just a seamstress?"
A 43 year old woman is "just a girl?"

That's "stating facts?"

I guess that's like saying the Republican Party is a little boys club.

Have it your way...

You should learn to quote. Or rather pay attention to what you're reading. BTW, most parties are boys' clubs. You didn't know that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Running a multimillion dollar business is "just a seamstress?"
A 43 year old woman is "just a girl?"

That's "stating facts?"

I guess that's like saying the Republican Party is a little boys club.

Have it your way...

You should learn to quote. Or rather pay attention to what you're reading. BTW, most parties are boys' clubs. You didn't know that?

And you're just a juvenile little kid playing games.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These pictures show the use of the flag during ww2- I didn't post them but they are pretty clearly from that vintage.

The claims of some posters here that nobody knew of or displayed the flag intil segregation debates in the 60's has been soundly debunked.

The age of some of these posters is clearly showing. To them, WWII vets are people they all want dead because they are racist. The only history they care about is from the 60s forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These pictures show the use of the flag during ww2- I didn't post them but they are pretty clearly from that vintage.

The claims of some posters here that nobody knew of or displayed the flag intil segregation debates in the 60's has been soundly debunked.

The age of some of these posters is clearly showing. To them, WWII vets are people they all want dead because they are racist. The only history they care about is from the 60s forward.

True. The poster who said “that is a pile of rocks” is evidence of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These pictures show the use of the flag during ww2- I didn't post them but they are pretty clearly from that vintage.

The claims of some posters here that nobody knew of or displayed the flag intil segregation debates in the 60's has been soundly debunked.

The age of some of these posters is clearly showing. To them, WWII vets are people they all want dead because they are racist. The only history they care about is from the 60s forward.

Right. And funny how the most serious sin of the current era is to be called a "racist." It's worse than being a cheater, an adulterer or anything else of evil action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These pictures show the use of the flag during ww2- I didn't post them but they are pretty clearly from that vintage.

The claims of some posters here that nobody knew of or displayed the flag intil segregation debates in the 60's has been soundly debunked.

The age of some of these posters is clearly showing. To them, WWII vets are people they all want dead because they are racist. The only history they care about is from the 60s forward.

Right. And funny how the most serious sin of the current era is to be called a "racist." It's worse than being a cheater, an adulterer or anything else of evil action.

The reality is that the term “racist” has lost its scorn because of overuse by liberals. When everyone is “racist,” no one is racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These pictures show the use of the flag during ww2- I didn't post them but they are pretty clearly from that vintage.

The claims of some posters here that nobody knew of or displayed the flag intil segregation debates in the 60's has been soundly debunked.

Two pictures of the same guy doesn't "soundly debunk" anything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These pictures show the use of the flag during ww2- I didn't post them but they are pretty clearly from that vintage.

The claims of some posters here that nobody knew of or displayed the flag intil segregation debates in the 60's has been soundly debunked.

Two pictures of the same guy doesn't "soundly debunk" anything.

Many other pictures and stories of the flags use in ww2 have been posted on this forum. It was carried at Normandy. It was placed over a Japanese fortress in the pacific theater. It was a proudly treated symbol prior to the desegregation movement

[Anonymous]

There was a picture of jimmy carter in front of the flag on a visit to Brazil in the seventies- where he met some of his wife's family who left after the civil war for Brazil.