Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Did they have an alarm system and not just cameras?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did they have an alarm system and not just cameras?

Both could have been disabled prior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have just revealed yourself to be writing from a place far away from Washington DC. I'm also sure that you watch a lot of TV in your small town.

It was protracted because it was a robbery gone wrong. They didn't expect to encounter a martial artist on the other side of the door. No doubt that he fought to the death. He probably held them at bay with all his samurai swords and ninja weapons but they probably had the upper hand by taking his wife and child hostage. No doubt they were simply after $$$, like all thugs. I saw a pic of the house and it is uncomfortably close to a public sidewalk. If I had that kind of wealth, no way would I choose a house that vulnerable.

not the PP, but I live in DC and that was my first thought as well when i saw the picture of the house - very close to the sidewalk. very easy access.

Many DC homes are next to the sidewalk-practically every million dollar plus home in Georgetown is like this-crimes happen in every setiing-look at the Rockville double murder-huge lot with wooded area around it-and the perp. just happened to be the next door neighbor. There is nothing to keep you safe from crime-except maybe a good security system and guards at all entrances.

[Anonymous]

I think it would be easier to rob a house in a more rural area, less people, more places to hide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it would be easier to rob a house in a more rural area, less people, more places to hide.

Maybe. The problem though, is that rural people keep close tabs on comings and goings and make note of strangers. It's actually harder to get caught in an urban area where we don't notice things "out of the ordinary," because about everything's ordinary.

[Anonymous]

Why call and cancel the housekeeper for Thursday knowing she wasn't coming in that day already yet not cancel the yard crew ? If the perp was in the house Wednesday, why stay all night ? A simple money grab and run would have sufficed. I'm thinking they knew this person well enough to let him in and he killed them knowing he could be identified. I just don't understand being in that home all that time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why call and cancel the housekeeper for Thursday knowing she wasn't coming in that day already yet not cancel the yard crew ? If the perp was in the house Wednesday, why stay all night ? A simple money grab and run would have sufficed. I'm thinking they knew this person well enough to let him in and he killed them knowing he could be identified. I just don't understand being in that home all that time.

It's probable that the yard crew doesn't have a specific day/time that they come that the owners would know about. Mine comes once a week but it's whenever since the work is so weather-dependent.

[Anonymous]

My first thought, upon reading the Washington Post article, was that this was unfortunately a case of familiscide, in which the housekeeper Mrs. Figueroa, was a collateral victim.

Why, I thought, would Mr. Savopoulos supposedly have told the other housekeeper, Mrs. Gutierrez, in advance, to come to a work site on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday of that particular week, instead of coming to clean his house on Thursday, as was her regular schedule. If that request was indeed simply for business-related reasons, then Mrs. Gutierrez is very fortunate.

A previous poster asked if anyone saw Savvas at work on Wednesday morning. The housekeeper who was not in the house, Mrs. Gutierrez, reported that she allegedly spoke to Savaas in person on the Chantilly job site on Wednesday morning. It was there that Mr. Savopoulos supposedly mentioned to Mrs. Gutierrez that his wife had plans to go out that night.

Then there is the fact that Mr. Savopoulos, assuming the contents of the alleged voicemails and text are confirmed, is the only person we know for certain was still alive in the house on Wednesday evening.

Finally there is the speculation regarding Mr. Savopoulos's extensive martial arts training and experience. Someone with that experience and traing could presumably take down a person or persons, particularly if they confronted those persons one by one throughout the day. And the may well have sustained blunt force injuries themselves in the ensuing struggle.

Of course, there is the loose end of the burned out vehicle discovered burning at some remote location more than five hours after the firefighters found the bodies in the house. It is possible that Mr. Savopoulos could have retained someone he knew to be capable of unorthodox jobs, to take the car away and torch it. The person might have known not to ask questions, thinking perhaps it was part of an insurance scam, but in no way knowing that the vehicle was related to the murders until later. (Why do this? For life insurance reasons, or to save your reputation among surviving family and friends.)

That last paragraph would require so much advanced planning by Savvas, and is just so forced into the narrative, that I no longer believe this was familicide, but rather a more common, amateur theft gone terribly awry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My first thought, upon reading the Washington Post article, was that this was unfortunately a case of familiscide, in which the housekeeper Mrs. Figueroa, was a collateral victim.

Why, I thought, would Mr. Savopoulos supposedly have told the other housekeeper, Mrs. Gutierrez, in advance, to come to a work site on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday of that particular week, instead of coming to clean his house on Thursday, as was her regular schedule. If that request was indeed simply for business-related reasons, then Mrs. Gutierrez is very fortunate.

A previous poster asked if anyone saw Savvas at work on Wednesday morning. The housekeeper who was not in the house, Mrs. Gutierrez, reported that she allegedly spoke to Savaas in person on the Chantilly job site on Wednesday morning. It was there that Mr. Savopoulos supposedly mentioned to Mrs. Gutierrez that his wife had plans to go out that night.

Then there is the fact that Mr. Savopoulos, assuming the contents of the alleged voicemails and text are confirmed, is the only person we know for certain was still alive in the house on Wednesday evening.

Finally there is the speculation regarding Mr. Savopoulos's extensive martial arts training and experience. Someone with that experience and traing could presumably take down a person or persons, particularly if they confronted those persons one by one throughout the day. And the may well have sustained blunt force injuries themselves in the ensuing struggle.

Of course, there is the loose end of the burned out vehicle discovered burning at some remote location more than five hours after the firefighters found the bodies in the house. It is possible that Mr. Savopoulos could have retained someone he knew to be capable of unorthodox jobs, to take the car away and torch it. The person might have known not to ask questions, thinking perhaps it was part of an insurance scam, but in no way knowing that the vehicle was related to the murders until later. (Why do this? For life insurance reasons, or to save your reputation among surviving family and friends.)

That last paragraph would require so much advanced planning by Savvas, and is just so forced into the narrative, that I no longer believe this was familicide, but rather a more common, amateur theft gone terribly awry.

You realize that Savopoulos was one of the victims, right?

[Anonymous]

Somebody knew this perp and let them in.

I keep going back to the husband of the housekeeper that went over to the house. If I worked for someone and never stayed the night, I'm pretty sure if I didn't come home on time my husband would have freaked, went look for me and called the police if he went to the house where no one answered the door knowing I was in there.

Why kill 4 people and let the dogs live ?

[Anonymous]

I'm totally confused about how they only have one surveillance video clip of the suspect. Aren't there tons of cameras around that area? The video that they released looks useless.

I really hope they have more substantial leads that they just aren't sharing with the media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm totally confused about how they only have one surveillance video clip of the suspect. Aren't there tons of cameras around that area? The video that they released looks useless.

I really hope they have more substantial leads that they just aren't sharing with the media.

I wonder this too. It seems like they have to have video footage of them from SOMEWHERE. I mean, no one can tell anything from that video. I wonder if the police released it to send some sort of message to the perpetrator... but I don't know what that would be.

[Anonymous]

As some other posters have expressed, I can't stop thinking about this horrific crime. It is so unsettling. I think that the family knew the killer(s) and for this reason let them in. I also think the perpetrators were connected to the father's workplace, because the car was left not far from there. Seems like too much of a coincidence. I think the motive was robbery, but that there might have been a personal animosity as well, because of the brutality of it. Perhaps a disgruntled employee or contract worker. One thing I have been thinking about is that the perps may have forced the father to make a wire transfer -- this might explain their having to wait around all night in what sounds like a hostage situation - until the transfer went through and could be withdrawn or transferred in some untraceable way by an associate somewhere else.
In any case, it is tragic and my heart goes out to the victims and their families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it would be easier to rob a house in a more rural area, less people, more places to hide.

Maybe. The problem though, is that rural people keep close tabs on comings and goings and make note of strangers. It's actually harder to get caught in an urban area where we don't notice things "out of the ordinary," because about everything's ordinary.

Rural people? You strike me as someone who doesn't live around here.

Have you been to Potomac? Great Falls? Huge, expensive houses sit on huge lots -- away from sidewalks - so I were to hold someone hostage and rob them, that's exactly where I'd go. Not to a house next to National Cathedral.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did they have an alarm system and not just cameras?

Both could have been disabled prior.

Also, they could have not had the alarm on. I was the victim of a home invasion and it happened when I foolishly did not have our system armed. Needless to say I felt really stupid about that. Luckily I was able to retrieve my gun and chase the guy out, so no one got hurt, but the guy did take a swing at my friend's head with a crow bar - thank god he missed. I am very good about actually using my alarm system now, that's for sure.