Midwife charged in DC? Karen Carr, CPM...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why hasn't anyone identified the birth assistant by name?

Because everyone is waiting for someone else to do it. People know who the birth assistant is.

In two previous posts, the instructions for finding out who the birth assistant was were pretty clearly listed.

If people want to find out who it is, they can. And people are free to post it.

Why should they though? As far as I know neither the birth assistant and the doula have been charged with anything. They are entitled to their privacy.

What about other mothers who are considering who need to hire someone?

I would not be comfortable hiring someone like the birth assistant involved.

Other home birth mothers in the community are entitled to this information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used Karen for a homebirth and was at risk for post partum hemorrhage due to uterine fibroids. I was definitely informed about this risk by Karen as well as counseled on the treatments she would have available at the birth and we had a plan for hospital transfer, if necessary. I didn't hemorrhage so we didn't have to go there, but the risks were discussed.

All the people who think midwifery is all "kumbaya and candles" may not realize that midwives and clients have serious conversations about risks, treatments, plans, etc.

Thank you for sharing. I am the PP who asked for clients of Karen and BirthCare to speak to what is discussed (benefits/risks)

I guess my question for the group then is this: are lay midwives like Karen qualified to advise their clients on medical risks even though they are not licensed medical providers? Or put another way, should mom's feel safe relying on the risk/benefit analysis of someone who is not actually a medical provider? The standard of care for a nurse is different than the standard of care for an OB...what's the standard of care for a lay midwife? I think that's important for everyone to know and I'm curious if anyone has some insight on this question and also the normative question of what the standard of care SHOULD be. Lower than any medical provider, some medical providers? These are the things that have kept me thinking about all of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why hasn't anyone identified the birth assistant by name?

Because everyone is waiting for someone else to do it. People know who the birth assistant is.

In two previous posts, the instructions for finding out who the birth assistant was were pretty clearly listed.

If people want to find out who it is, they can. And people are free to post it.

Why should they though? As far as I know neither the birth assistant and the doula have been charged with anything. They are entitled to their privacy.

What about other mothers who are considering who need to hire someone?

I would not be comfortable hiring someone like the birth assistant involved.

Other home birth mothers in the community are entitled to this information.

As others have posted - it is really easy to figure out who is was. That said - why would you automatically not feel comfortable hiring "someone like the birth assistant involved" when no factual details have been released about what happened? And, if you were interviewing doulas or birth assistants, you could certainly ask that person directly if they were involved in this case or any other cases where there had been bad outcomes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why hasn't anyone identified the birth assistant by name?

Because everyone is waiting for someone else to do it. People know who the birth assistant is.

In two previous posts, the instructions for finding out who the birth assistant was were pretty clearly listed.

If people want to find out who it is, they can. And people are free to post it.

Why should they though? As far as I know neither the birth assistant and the doula have been charged with anything. They are entitled to their privacy.

What about other mothers who are considering who need to hire someone?

I would not be comfortable hiring someone like the birth assistant involved.

Other home birth mothers in the community are entitled to this information.

Then you need to ask pointed questions of anyone you are hiring. Take it up with BirthCare if use choose to use them for their birth.

Anonymous people, who weren't present at the birth and do not know the full circumstances shouldn't be posting the BA or doulas name so a bunch of other anonymous people can go around spreading unsubstantiated rumors about them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why hasn't anyone identified the birth assistant by name?

Because everyone is waiting for someone else to do it. People know who the birth assistant is.

In two previous posts, the instructions for finding out who the birth assistant was were pretty clearly listed.

If people want to find out who it is, they can. And people are free to post it.

Why should they though? As far as I know neither the birth assistant and the doula have been charged with anything. They are entitled to their privacy.

What about other mothers who are considering who need to hire someone?

I would not be comfortable hiring someone like the birth assistant involved.

Other home birth mothers in the community are entitled to this information.

As others have posted - it is really easy to figure out who is was. That said - why would you automatically not feel comfortable hiring "someone like the birth assistant involved" when no factual details have been released about what happened? And, if you were interviewing doulas or birth assistants, you could certainly ask that person directly if they were involved in this case or any other cases where there had been bad outcomes.

Feh. I'll be taking a Bradley class by one of the three instructors in Old Town soon and I have no idea if my instructor is the birth assistant in question. I wouldn't know because I don't know if she's a birth assitant at BirthCare or not....I'm not a client there. I would like to know if it's her though before I shell out the 500 bucks for the class. Thinking about forfeiting my deposit anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why hasn't anyone identified the birth assistant by name?

Because everyone is waiting for someone else to do it. People know who the birth assistant is.

In two previous posts, the instructions for finding out who the birth assistant was were pretty clearly listed.

If people want to find out who it is, they can. And people are free to post it.

Why should they though? As far as I know neither the birth assistant and the doula have been charged with anything. They are entitled to their privacy.

What about other mothers who are considering who need to hire someone?

I would not be comfortable hiring someone like the birth assistant involved.

Other home birth mothers in the community are entitled to this information.

Then you need to ask pointed questions of anyone you are hiring. Take it up with BirthCare if use choose to use them for their birth.

Anonymous people, who weren't present at the birth and do not know the full circumstances shouldn't be posting the BA or doulas name so a bunch of other anonymous people can go around spreading unsubstantiated rumors about them.

THE MOTHER HERSELF posted a review online about the birth center and the birth assistant. It would be nice to know who she's talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why hasn't anyone identified the birth assistant by name?

Because everyone is waiting for someone else to do it. People know who the birth assistant is.

In two previous posts, the instructions for finding out who the birth assistant was were pretty clearly listed.

If people want to find out who it is, they can. And people are free to post it.

Why should they though? As far as I know neither the birth assistant and the doula have been charged with anything. They are entitled to their privacy.

What about other mothers who are considering who need to hire someone?

I would not be comfortable hiring someone like the birth assistant involved.

Other home birth mothers in the community are entitled to this information.

As others have posted - it is really easy to figure out who is was. That said - why would you automatically not feel comfortable hiring "someone like the birth assistant involved" when no factual details have been released about what happened? And, if you were interviewing doulas or birth assistants, you could certainly ask that person directly if they were involved in this case or any other cases where there had been bad outcomes.

Feh. I'll be taking a Bradley class by one of the three instructors in Old Town soon and I have no idea if my instructor is the birth assistant in question. I wouldn't know because I don't know if she's a birth assitant at BirthCare or not....I'm not a client there. I would like to know if it's her though before I shell out the 500 bucks for the class. Thinking about forfeiting my deposit anyway.

Can't you call her up and ask her? Are your Bradley classes being held at Birthcare? There seem to be much easier ways of figuring this out than waiting for a post on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why hasn't anyone identified the birth assistant by name?

Because everyone is waiting for someone else to do it. People know who the birth assistant is.

In two previous posts, the instructions for finding out who the birth assistant was were pretty clearly listed.

If people want to find out who it is, they can. And people are free to post it.

Why should they though? As far as I know neither the birth assistant and the doula have been charged with anything. They are entitled to their privacy.

What about other mothers who are considering who need to hire someone?

I would not be comfortable hiring someone like the birth assistant involved.

Other home birth mothers in the community are entitled to this information.

Are you taking the class AT birth care? Because that is where the birth assistant teaches.

As others have posted - it is really easy to figure out who is was. That said - why would you automatically not feel comfortable hiring "someone like the birth assistant involved" when no factual details have been released about what happened? And, if you were interviewing doulas or birth assistants, you could certainly ask that person directly if they were involved in this case or any other cases where there had been bad outcomes.

Feh. I'll be taking a Bradley class by one of the three instructors in Old Town soon and I have no idea if my instructor is the birth assistant in question. I wouldn't know because I don't know if she's a birth assitant at BirthCare or not....I'm not a client there. I would like to know if it's her though before I shell out the 500 bucks for the class. Thinking about forfeiting my deposit anyway.

[Anonymous]

If you are taking the class AT birth care, it could be the birth assistant in question.

[Anonymous]

No birth assistants are on the witness list. Curious no?

[Anonymous]

The birth assistant in question has taken town her LinkedIn profile where she lists herself as a Bradley instructor, Midwife student, AND a Birth Care Birth Assistant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No birth assistants are on the witness list. Curious no?

Oh come on, even Karen Carr's lawyer said in his statement that she had a birth assistant AND a doula.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why hasn't anyone identified the birth assistant by name?

Because everyone is waiting for someone else to do it. People know who the birth assistant is.

In two previous posts, the instructions for finding out who the birth assistant was were pretty clearly listed.

If people want to find out who it is, they can. And people are free to post it.

Why should they though? As far as I know neither the birth assistant and the doula have been charged with anything. They are entitled to their privacy.

What about other mothers who are considering who need to hire someone?

I would not be comfortable hiring someone like the birth assistant involved.

Other home birth mothers in the community are entitled to this information.

Then you need to ask pointed questions of anyone you are hiring. Take it up with BirthCare if use choose to use them for their birth.

Anonymous people, who weren't present at the birth and do not know the full circumstances shouldn't be posting the BA or doulas name so a bunch of other anonymous people can go around spreading unsubstantiated rumors about them.

THE MOTHER HERSELF posted a review online about the birth center and the birth assistant. It would be nice to know who she's talking about.

I was unable to get a list of Birth Care birth assistants from the website. Is it still there? Did they take it down or do you have to call?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The birth assistant in question has taken town her LinkedIn profile where she lists herself as a Bradley instructor, Midwife student, AND a Birth Care Birth Assistant.

Actually, she hasn't.

[Anonymous]

So maybe the birth assistant became the doula?