Does your community pool have a dress code?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the analogy from a few pages back about a girl in a thong basically being the same as a guy who pulls out his dick in public is spot-on.

Both are engaged in exhibitionism, for a sexual thrill. Both are choosing to expose themselves to other people, typically strangers, without the consent or approval of the people they’re exposing themselves too. Both are in effect victimizing people around them by exposing intimate parts of their bodies to people who might not want to see that.


If I’m wrong, please explain *why*. Explain the functional difference between the two examples. There is no need to call me names, call me a pervert, a pedophile, a creep or whatever. Just explain why the two examples aren’t the same. Because I think they are. If you don’t, explain why they’re different.

Because one is illegal and the other is a sartorial choice you disapprove of? (which is your right, of course).

Your first paragraph assumes a lot of things that aren't universally true (e.g., many people don't feel victimized or even scandalized by a smaller than average bikini). We as society are not okay with people exposing their genitals in public, which is why it's illegal. We as a society are, generally, okay with smaller than average bikinis, so people are free to wear them.

I mean, if some chick walking by you in a thong elicits the same response from you as some dude waving his dick around at the pool? It seems like you have a real problem with perspective.

I grew up in South Florida, where thongs on women were common, and thongs on men were rare, but not unheard of. Children at the beach saw them all the time, and nobody was traumatized. But, if some dude exposed himself to people, he'd likely end up handcuffed in the back of a cop car.

Too long, just tell us whether you support a dress code.

I'm perfectly fine with a dress code that's tied to whatever's legal in the jurisdiction in question. I don't think there's a need to go beyond that.

So, everything that is technically legal should be allowed at a children's pool?

I'm not sure what you mean by children's pool. Do you mean one of the wading pools that toddlers use?

But, yes, if it's not banned by law or regulation, it should be allowed.

It's legal to put dogs to sleep... you're fine with euthanizing puppies at a community pool?

It's in no way legal to euthanize dogs in public, and certainly not in a pool.

Are you high?

Why do you know so much about where it's legal to kill dogs? Holy sh*t, you're messed up... can we get back to the subject?

You're not half as clever as you think you are.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a lot. I swear half the reason my preteen has decided they’re nonbinary is because they have no desire to dress like typical girls and is fairly horrified. Short shorts, crop tops, and cheeky bathing suits appall her. Since hitting puberty at age 10 she would rather cover it all up.

I try to remind myself it’s so great these kids have such body confidence - but I also find the suits distracting. And I’m not sexualizing anybody - just noticing the girls are nearly naked.

Funny how the men aren’t wearing banana hammocks with their checks hanging out.

Something that struck me as—well I was going to write odd but really it’s just different culture— is that in a lot of European countries “swimming briefs” (like speedos and jammers) are way more common in casual settings. Common amongst all ages.

Like, here in the U.S. it’s a bit odd to see guys wearing those in a situation other than competitive swimming. Not so in Europe.

In fact, in France public pools are required by law to enforce a “swimming briefs only” dress code. No trunks, board shorts, etc. Just swimming briefs allowed. You will get called out on it and forced to purchase a swim briefs on location if you want to continue to swim.

Why? Why do they care if we wear trunks?

Yeah, that's a weird rule.

Rules banning non-swimming clothes make sense, because those fibers can clog pool filters. I can't think of any rationale for banning larger swimsuits, though.

Also, to be clear, people are citing Europeans as an example of how we shouldn't make rules policing swimsuits, but the French will actually FORCE you to BUY another swimsuit if they don't like the one you have on?

I'm skeptical about this. This sounds like something that was lost in translation.

No one here is saying that people who wear thongs or display their erections should be forced to purchase different bathing suits.

Those two things aren't really the same, you know.

Can't say I've ever seen the latter at our pool.

But, you'd be okay with it?

The latter? No. But that's probably a vanishingly rare occurrence at the average pool. I mean, I grew up in Florida, which is much more of a beach and pool party culture. I never saw someone doing that.

Thongs? They don't bother me.

AH!

Finally, we have someone willing to condemn men displaying their erections. So, one more vote for dress code!

You’re the one who keeps bringing erections into the conversation. No one has said they’re okay with kids seeing them; everyone has asked you what that has to do with dress code. Are you saying men who might get an erection at the swimming pool should dress in a way that it wouldn’t be visible to other people? I will agree with that but honestly I’ve never seen someone dealing with that issue at my public pool so explicitly writing it into the dress code seems like overkill to me.

Ever see a murder happen? Still okay with murder being written into the law?

It's illegal to expose your genitalia at a pool.

It's not illegal to have an erection in public, though.

This thread really went off the rails. It's tough to see much of a parallel between smaller swimsuits and exposing one's genitals in public.

Men in thongs, men in see-thru suits... should they be allowed at children's pools?

Have you seen either of these things occur, or do they only exist in your over-heated imagination? And what's your definition of a children's pool? A pool where only kids and their parents are allowed?

Answer the question - should they be allowed?

As long as your genitalia isn't exposed, I'm fine with whatever swimsuit you want to wear to the pool. I also don't have a problem with women going topless to the pool.

So, a see-thru swimsuit would expose genitalia... so you are okay banning them?

They're already illegal in public, so it seems like the rule already exists.

Great, two votes for dress codes!

Now that we agree men shouldn't be allowed to wear bathing suits that permit them to pursue sexual activity at public pools... how about women? Should women be allowed to wear see-thru swimsuits?

What do you consider see through? Isn't that something that is already illegal in public? I have no issues with women going topless, which is also the law.

Why don't we just follow the "Dress code" set out by the laws in the place we live?

Answer the question—should women wear see-thru swimsuits at children's pools? You've already said men, shouldn't... would seem kinda weird to have a double standard here...

There is no double standard. Both things are illegal, so both things are already banned at your local public pool.

What kind of Karen would call the police on someone for their swimsuit? Get a grip, dude!

It would just typically be the pool manager telling them their swimsuit violates the law.

I'm not sure why we need to get police involved... can't we just agree to wear appropriate things in community spaces.

You and I may have different interpretations of "appropriate." For example, certain fundamentalist religions require women to be significantly covered up in public.

If there's a significant percentage of people at the local pool who don't like my wife's somewhat revealing swimsuit for religious reasons, should she cater to their whims and cover up? Or should she be free to continue wearing her (legal) swimsuit as she pleases?

Yes... she should be respectful of the people around her... why would you not want to be respectful?

Good, I hope youve got your burkini prepped for the next time you go to a pool and someone of a different religion is there.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a lot. I swear half the reason my preteen has decided they’re nonbinary is because they have no desire to dress like typical girls and is fairly horrified. Short shorts, crop tops, and cheeky bathing suits appall her. Since hitting puberty at age 10 she would rather cover it all up.

I try to remind myself it’s so great these kids have such body confidence - but I also find the suits distracting. And I’m not sexualizing anybody - just noticing the girls are nearly naked.

Funny how the men aren’t wearing banana hammocks with their checks hanging out.

Something that struck me as—well I was going to write odd but really it’s just different culture— is that in a lot of European countries “swimming briefs” (like speedos and jammers) are way more common in casual settings. Common amongst all ages.

Like, here in the U.S. it’s a bit odd to see guys wearing those in a situation other than competitive swimming. Not so in Europe.

In fact, in France public pools are required by law to enforce a “swimming briefs only” dress code. No trunks, board shorts, etc. Just swimming briefs allowed. You will get called out on it and forced to purchase a swim briefs on location if you want to continue to swim.

Why? Why do they care if we wear trunks?

Yeah, that's a weird rule.

Rules banning non-swimming clothes make sense, because those fibers can clog pool filters. I can't think of any rationale for banning larger swimsuits, though.

Also, to be clear, people are citing Europeans as an example of how we shouldn't make rules policing swimsuits, but the French will actually FORCE you to BUY another swimsuit if they don't like the one you have on?

I'm skeptical about this. This sounds like something that was lost in translation.

No one here is saying that people who wear thongs or display their erections should be forced to purchase different bathing suits.

Those two things aren't really the same, you know.

Can't say I've ever seen the latter at our pool.

But, you'd be okay with it?

The latter? No. But that's probably a vanishingly rare occurrence at the average pool. I mean, I grew up in Florida, which is much more of a beach and pool party culture. I never saw someone doing that.

Thongs? They don't bother me.

AH!

Finally, we have someone willing to condemn men displaying their erections. So, one more vote for dress code!

You’re the one who keeps bringing erections into the conversation. No one has said they’re okay with kids seeing them; everyone has asked you what that has to do with dress code. Are you saying men who might get an erection at the swimming pool should dress in a way that it wouldn’t be visible to other people? I will agree with that but honestly I’ve never seen someone dealing with that issue at my public pool so explicitly writing it into the dress code seems like overkill to me.

Ever see a murder happen? Still okay with murder being written into the law?

It's illegal to expose your genitalia at a pool.

It's not illegal to have an erection in public, though.

This thread really went off the rails. It's tough to see much of a parallel between smaller swimsuits and exposing one's genitals in public.

Men in thongs, men in see-thru suits... should they be allowed at children's pools?

Have you seen either of these things occur, or do they only exist in your over-heated imagination? And what's your definition of a children's pool? A pool where only kids and their parents are allowed?

Answer the question - should they be allowed?

As long as your genitalia isn't exposed, I'm fine with whatever swimsuit you want to wear to the pool. I also don't have a problem with women going topless to the pool.

So, a see-thru swimsuit would expose genitalia... so you are okay banning them?

They're already illegal in public, so it seems like the rule already exists.

Great, two votes for dress codes!

Now that we agree men shouldn't be allowed to wear bathing suits that permit them to pursue sexual activity at public pools... how about women? Should women be allowed to wear see-thru swimsuits?

What do you consider see through? Isn't that something that is already illegal in public? I have no issues with women going topless, which is also the law.

Why don't we just follow the "Dress code" set out by the laws in the place we live?

Answer the question—should women wear see-thru swimsuits at children's pools? You've already said men, shouldn't... would seem kinda weird to have a double standard here...

There is no double standard. Both things are illegal, so both things are already banned at your local public pool.

What kind of Karen would call the police on someone for their swimsuit? Get a grip, dude!

It would just typically be the pool manager telling them their swimsuit violates the law.

I'm not sure why we need to get police involved... can't we just agree to wear appropriate things in community spaces.

You and I may have different interpretations of "appropriate." For example, certain fundamentalist religions require women to be significantly covered up in public.

If there's a significant percentage of people at the local pool who don't like my wife's somewhat revealing swimsuit for religious reasons, should she cater to their whims and cover up? Or should she be free to continue wearing her (legal) swimsuit as she pleases?

Yes... she should be respectful of the people around her... why would you not want to be respectful?

No, my wife is not going to put a burkini on to placate some religious fundamentalists. They're free to leave the pool if they don't like what she's wearing.

Of course they're free to... but why wouldn't you want to be respectful towards the people around you?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a lot. I swear half the reason my preteen has decided they’re nonbinary is because they have no desire to dress like typical girls and is fairly horrified. Short shorts, crop tops, and cheeky bathing suits appall her. Since hitting puberty at age 10 she would rather cover it all up.

I try to remind myself it’s so great these kids have such body confidence - but I also find the suits distracting. And I’m not sexualizing anybody - just noticing the girls are nearly naked.

Funny how the men aren’t wearing banana hammocks with their checks hanging out.

Something that struck me as—well I was going to write odd but really it’s just different culture— is that in a lot of European countries “swimming briefs” (like speedos and jammers) are way more common in casual settings. Common amongst all ages.

Like, here in the U.S. it’s a bit odd to see guys wearing those in a situation other than competitive swimming. Not so in Europe.

In fact, in France public pools are required by law to enforce a “swimming briefs only” dress code. No trunks, board shorts, etc. Just swimming briefs allowed. You will get called out on it and forced to purchase a swim briefs on location if you want to continue to swim.

Why? Why do they care if we wear trunks?

Yeah, that's a weird rule.

Rules banning non-swimming clothes make sense, because those fibers can clog pool filters. I can't think of any rationale for banning larger swimsuits, though.

Also, to be clear, people are citing Europeans as an example of how we shouldn't make rules policing swimsuits, but the French will actually FORCE you to BUY another swimsuit if they don't like the one you have on?

I'm skeptical about this. This sounds like something that was lost in translation.

No one here is saying that people who wear thongs or display their erections should be forced to purchase different bathing suits.

Those two things aren't really the same, you know.

Can't say I've ever seen the latter at our pool.

But, you'd be okay with it?

The latter? No. But that's probably a vanishingly rare occurrence at the average pool. I mean, I grew up in Florida, which is much more of a beach and pool party culture. I never saw someone doing that.

Thongs? They don't bother me.

AH!

Finally, we have someone willing to condemn men displaying their erections. So, one more vote for dress code!

You’re the one who keeps bringing erections into the conversation. No one has said they’re okay with kids seeing them; everyone has asked you what that has to do with dress code. Are you saying men who might get an erection at the swimming pool should dress in a way that it wouldn’t be visible to other people? I will agree with that but honestly I’ve never seen someone dealing with that issue at my public pool so explicitly writing it into the dress code seems like overkill to me.

Ever see a murder happen? Still okay with murder being written into the law?

It's illegal to expose your genitalia at a pool.

It's not illegal to have an erection in public, though.

This thread really went off the rails. It's tough to see much of a parallel between smaller swimsuits and exposing one's genitals in public.

Men in thongs, men in see-thru suits... should they be allowed at children's pools?

Have you seen either of these things occur, or do they only exist in your over-heated imagination? And what's your definition of a children's pool? A pool where only kids and their parents are allowed?

Answer the question - should they be allowed?

As long as your genitalia isn't exposed, I'm fine with whatever swimsuit you want to wear to the pool. I also don't have a problem with women going topless to the pool.

So, a see-thru swimsuit would expose genitalia... so you are okay banning them?

They're already illegal in public, so it seems like the rule already exists.

Great, two votes for dress codes!

Now that we agree men shouldn't be allowed to wear bathing suits that permit them to pursue sexual activity at public pools... how about women? Should women be allowed to wear see-thru swimsuits?

What do you consider see through? Isn't that something that is already illegal in public? I have no issues with women going topless, which is also the law.

Why don't we just follow the "Dress code" set out by the laws in the place we live?

Answer the question—should women wear see-thru swimsuits at children's pools? You've already said men, shouldn't... would seem kinda weird to have a double standard here...

There is no double standard. Both things are illegal, so both things are already banned at your local public pool.

What kind of Karen would call the police on someone for their swimsuit? Get a grip, dude!

It would just typically be the pool manager telling them their swimsuit violates the law.

I'm not sure why we need to get police involved... can't we just agree to wear appropriate things in community spaces.

You and I may have different interpretations of "appropriate." For example, certain fundamentalist religions require women to be significantly covered up in public.

If there's a significant percentage of people at the local pool who don't like my wife's somewhat revealing swimsuit for religious reasons, should she cater to their whims and cover up? Or should she be free to continue wearing her (legal) swimsuit as she pleases?

My religion means women can only wear burkinis. I want everyone at every pool I attend to adhere to this policy.

Oh, what do you mean that violates your bodily autonomy? Who cares? Karen wants it, because seeing a few inches of skin is unfathomable!

One person with aberrant views is not the community standard though.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the analogy from a few pages back about a girl in a thong basically being the same as a guy who pulls out his dick in public is spot-on.

Both are engaged in exhibitionism, for a sexual thrill. Both are choosing to expose themselves to other people, typically strangers, without the consent or approval of the people they’re exposing themselves too. Both are in effect victimizing people around them by exposing intimate parts of their bodies to people who might not want to see that.


If I’m wrong, please explain *why*. Explain the functional difference between the two examples. There is no need to call me names, call me a pervert, a pedophile, a creep or whatever. Just explain why the two examples aren’t the same. Because I think they are. If you don’t, explain why they’re different.

Because one is illegal and the other is a sartorial choice you disapprove of? (which is your right, of course).

Your first paragraph assumes a lot of things that aren't universally true (e.g., many people don't feel victimized or even scandalized by a smaller than average bikini). We as society are not okay with people exposing their genitals in public, which is why it's illegal. We as a society are, generally, okay with smaller than average bikinis, so people are free to wear them.

I mean, if some chick walking by you in a thong elicits the same response from you as some dude waving his dick around at the pool? It seems like you have a real problem with perspective.

I grew up in South Florida, where thongs on women were common, and thongs on men were rare, but not unheard of. Children at the beach saw them all the time, and nobody was traumatized. But, if some dude exposed himself to people, he'd likely end up handcuffed in the back of a cop car.

Too long, just tell us whether you support a dress code.

I'm perfectly fine with a dress code that's tied to whatever's legal in the jurisdiction in question. I don't think there's a need to go beyond that.

So, everything that is technically legal should be allowed at a children's pool?

I'm not sure what you mean by children's pool. Do you mean one of the wading pools that toddlers use?

But, yes, if it's not banned by law or regulation, it should be allowed.

It's legal to put dogs to sleep... you're fine with euthanizing puppies at a community pool?

It's in no way legal to euthanize dogs in public, and certainly not in a pool.

Are you high?

Why do you know so much about where it's legal to kill dogs? Holy sh*t, you're messed up... can we get back to the subject?

You're not half as clever as you think you are.

PP does not understand false equivalency and how imbecilic it makes them look.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a lot. I swear half the reason my preteen has decided they’re nonbinary is because they have no desire to dress like typical girls and is fairly horrified. Short shorts, crop tops, and cheeky bathing suits appall her. Since hitting puberty at age 10 she would rather cover it all up.

I try to remind myself it’s so great these kids have such body confidence - but I also find the suits distracting. And I’m not sexualizing anybody - just noticing the girls are nearly naked.

Funny how the men aren’t wearing banana hammocks with their checks hanging out.

Something that struck me as—well I was going to write odd but really it’s just different culture— is that in a lot of European countries “swimming briefs” (like speedos and jammers) are way more common in casual settings. Common amongst all ages.

Like, here in the U.S. it’s a bit odd to see guys wearing those in a situation other than competitive swimming. Not so in Europe.

In fact, in France public pools are required by law to enforce a “swimming briefs only” dress code. No trunks, board shorts, etc. Just swimming briefs allowed. You will get called out on it and forced to purchase a swim briefs on location if you want to continue to swim.

Why? Why do they care if we wear trunks?

Yeah, that's a weird rule.

Rules banning non-swimming clothes make sense, because those fibers can clog pool filters. I can't think of any rationale for banning larger swimsuits, though.

Also, to be clear, people are citing Europeans as an example of how we shouldn't make rules policing swimsuits, but the French will actually FORCE you to BUY another swimsuit if they don't like the one you have on?

I'm skeptical about this. This sounds like something that was lost in translation.

No one here is saying that people who wear thongs or display their erections should be forced to purchase different bathing suits.

Those two things aren't really the same, you know.

Can't say I've ever seen the latter at our pool.

But, you'd be okay with it?

The latter? No. But that's probably a vanishingly rare occurrence at the average pool. I mean, I grew up in Florida, which is much more of a beach and pool party culture. I never saw someone doing that.

Thongs? They don't bother me.

AH!

Finally, we have someone willing to condemn men displaying their erections. So, one more vote for dress code!

You’re the one who keeps bringing erections into the conversation. No one has said they’re okay with kids seeing them; everyone has asked you what that has to do with dress code. Are you saying men who might get an erection at the swimming pool should dress in a way that it wouldn’t be visible to other people? I will agree with that but honestly I’ve never seen someone dealing with that issue at my public pool so explicitly writing it into the dress code seems like overkill to me.

Ever see a murder happen? Still okay with murder being written into the law?

It's illegal to expose your genitalia at a pool.

It's not illegal to have an erection in public, though.

This thread really went off the rails. It's tough to see much of a parallel between smaller swimsuits and exposing one's genitals in public.

Men in thongs, men in see-thru suits... should they be allowed at children's pools?

Have you seen either of these things occur, or do they only exist in your over-heated imagination? And what's your definition of a children's pool? A pool where only kids and their parents are allowed?

Answer the question - should they be allowed?

As long as your genitalia isn't exposed, I'm fine with whatever swimsuit you want to wear to the pool. I also don't have a problem with women going topless to the pool.

So, a see-thru swimsuit would expose genitalia... so you are okay banning them?

They're already illegal in public, so it seems like the rule already exists.

Great, two votes for dress codes!

Now that we agree men shouldn't be allowed to wear bathing suits that permit them to pursue sexual activity at public pools... how about women? Should women be allowed to wear see-thru swimsuits?

What do you consider see through? Isn't that something that is already illegal in public? I have no issues with women going topless, which is also the law.

Why don't we just follow the "Dress code" set out by the laws in the place we live?

Answer the question—should women wear see-thru swimsuits at children's pools? You've already said men, shouldn't... would seem kinda weird to have a double standard here...

There is no double standard. Both things are illegal, so both things are already banned at your local public pool.

What kind of Karen would call the police on someone for their swimsuit? Get a grip, dude!

It would just typically be the pool manager telling them their swimsuit violates the law.

I'm not sure why we need to get police involved... can't we just agree to wear appropriate things in community spaces.

You and I may have different interpretations of "appropriate." For example, certain fundamentalist religions require women to be significantly covered up in public.

If there's a significant percentage of people at the local pool who don't like my wife's somewhat revealing swimsuit for religious reasons, should she cater to their whims and cover up? Or should she be free to continue wearing her (legal) swimsuit as she pleases?

My religion means women can only wear burkinis. I want everyone at every pool I attend to adhere to this policy.

Oh, what do you mean that violates your bodily autonomy? Who cares? Karen wants it, because seeing a few inches of skin is unfathomable!

One person with aberrant views is not the community standard though.

Apparently it is if YOU want people to stop wearing thongs though. Why is your opinion more important than my religion?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a lot. I swear half the reason my preteen has decided they’re nonbinary is because they have no desire to dress like typical girls and is fairly horrified. Short shorts, crop tops, and cheeky bathing suits appall her. Since hitting puberty at age 10 she would rather cover it all up.

I try to remind myself it’s so great these kids have such body confidence - but I also find the suits distracting. And I’m not sexualizing anybody - just noticing the girls are nearly naked.

Funny how the men aren’t wearing banana hammocks with their checks hanging out.

Something that struck me as—well I was going to write odd but really it’s just different culture— is that in a lot of European countries “swimming briefs” (like speedos and jammers) are way more common in casual settings. Common amongst all ages.

Like, here in the U.S. it’s a bit odd to see guys wearing those in a situation other than competitive swimming. Not so in Europe.

In fact, in France public pools are required by law to enforce a “swimming briefs only” dress code. No trunks, board shorts, etc. Just swimming briefs allowed. You will get called out on it and forced to purchase a swim briefs on location if you want to continue to swim.

Why? Why do they care if we wear trunks?

Yeah, that's a weird rule.

Rules banning non-swimming clothes make sense, because those fibers can clog pool filters. I can't think of any rationale for banning larger swimsuits, though.

Also, to be clear, people are citing Europeans as an example of how we shouldn't make rules policing swimsuits, but the French will actually FORCE you to BUY another swimsuit if they don't like the one you have on?

I'm skeptical about this. This sounds like something that was lost in translation.

No one here is saying that people who wear thongs or display their erections should be forced to purchase different bathing suits.

Those two things aren't really the same, you know.

Can't say I've ever seen the latter at our pool.

But, you'd be okay with it?

The latter? No. But that's probably a vanishingly rare occurrence at the average pool. I mean, I grew up in Florida, which is much more of a beach and pool party culture. I never saw someone doing that.

Thongs? They don't bother me.

AH!

Finally, we have someone willing to condemn men displaying their erections. So, one more vote for dress code!

You’re the one who keeps bringing erections into the conversation. No one has said they’re okay with kids seeing them; everyone has asked you what that has to do with dress code. Are you saying men who might get an erection at the swimming pool should dress in a way that it wouldn’t be visible to other people? I will agree with that but honestly I’ve never seen someone dealing with that issue at my public pool so explicitly writing it into the dress code seems like overkill to me.

Ever see a murder happen? Still okay with murder being written into the law?

It's illegal to expose your genitalia at a pool.

It's not illegal to have an erection in public, though.

This thread really went off the rails. It's tough to see much of a parallel between smaller swimsuits and exposing one's genitals in public.

Men in thongs, men in see-thru suits... should they be allowed at children's pools?

Have you seen either of these things occur, or do they only exist in your over-heated imagination? And what's your definition of a children's pool? A pool where only kids and their parents are allowed?

Answer the question - should they be allowed?

As long as your genitalia isn't exposed, I'm fine with whatever swimsuit you want to wear to the pool. I also don't have a problem with women going topless to the pool.

So, a see-thru swimsuit would expose genitalia... so you are okay banning them?

They're already illegal in public, so it seems like the rule already exists.

Great, two votes for dress codes!

Now that we agree men shouldn't be allowed to wear bathing suits that permit them to pursue sexual activity at public pools... how about women? Should women be allowed to wear see-thru swimsuits?

What do you consider see through? Isn't that something that is already illegal in public? I have no issues with women going topless, which is also the law.

Why don't we just follow the "Dress code" set out by the laws in the place we live?

Answer the question—should women wear see-thru swimsuits at children's pools? You've already said men, shouldn't... would seem kinda weird to have a double standard here...

There is no double standard. Both things are illegal, so both things are already banned at your local public pool.

What kind of Karen would call the police on someone for their swimsuit? Get a grip, dude!

It would just typically be the pool manager telling them their swimsuit violates the law.

I'm not sure why we need to get police involved... can't we just agree to wear appropriate things in community spaces.

You and I may have different interpretations of "appropriate." For example, certain fundamentalist religions require women to be significantly covered up in public.

If there's a significant percentage of people at the local pool who don't like my wife's somewhat revealing swimsuit for religious reasons, should she cater to their whims and cover up? Or should she be free to continue wearing her (legal) swimsuit as she pleases?

Yes... she should be respectful of the people around her... why would you not want to be respectful?

No, my wife is not going to put a burkini on to placate some religious fundamentalists. They're free to leave the pool if they don't like what she's wearing.

Of course they're free to... but why wouldn't you want to be respectful towards the people around you?

Respect goes both ways. You don't have respect for people wearing anything you don't like. Why do you expect it back?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a lot. I swear half the reason my preteen has decided they’re nonbinary is because they have no desire to dress like typical girls and is fairly horrified. Short shorts, crop tops, and cheeky bathing suits appall her. Since hitting puberty at age 10 she would rather cover it all up.

I try to remind myself it’s so great these kids have such body confidence - but I also find the suits distracting. And I’m not sexualizing anybody - just noticing the girls are nearly naked.

Funny how the men aren’t wearing banana hammocks with their checks hanging out.

Something that struck me as—well I was going to write odd but really it’s just different culture— is that in a lot of European countries “swimming briefs” (like speedos and jammers) are way more common in casual settings. Common amongst all ages.

Like, here in the U.S. it’s a bit odd to see guys wearing those in a situation other than competitive swimming. Not so in Europe.

In fact, in France public pools are required by law to enforce a “swimming briefs only” dress code. No trunks, board shorts, etc. Just swimming briefs allowed. You will get called out on it and forced to purchase a swim briefs on location if you want to continue to swim.

Why? Why do they care if we wear trunks?

Yeah, that's a weird rule.

Rules banning non-swimming clothes make sense, because those fibers can clog pool filters. I can't think of any rationale for banning larger swimsuits, though.

Also, to be clear, people are citing Europeans as an example of how we shouldn't make rules policing swimsuits, but the French will actually FORCE you to BUY another swimsuit if they don't like the one you have on?

I'm skeptical about this. This sounds like something that was lost in translation.

No one here is saying that people who wear thongs or display their erections should be forced to purchase different bathing suits.

Those two things aren't really the same, you know.

Can't say I've ever seen the latter at our pool.

But, you'd be okay with it?

The latter? No. But that's probably a vanishingly rare occurrence at the average pool. I mean, I grew up in Florida, which is much more of a beach and pool party culture. I never saw someone doing that.

Thongs? They don't bother me.

AH!

Finally, we have someone willing to condemn men displaying their erections. So, one more vote for dress code!

You’re the one who keeps bringing erections into the conversation. No one has said they’re okay with kids seeing them; everyone has asked you what that has to do with dress code. Are you saying men who might get an erection at the swimming pool should dress in a way that it wouldn’t be visible to other people? I will agree with that but honestly I’ve never seen someone dealing with that issue at my public pool so explicitly writing it into the dress code seems like overkill to me.

Ever see a murder happen? Still okay with murder being written into the law?

It's illegal to expose your genitalia at a pool.

It's not illegal to have an erection in public, though.

This thread really went off the rails. It's tough to see much of a parallel between smaller swimsuits and exposing one's genitals in public.

Men in thongs, men in see-thru suits... should they be allowed at children's pools?

Have you seen either of these things occur, or do they only exist in your over-heated imagination? And what's your definition of a children's pool? A pool where only kids and their parents are allowed?

Answer the question - should they be allowed?

As long as your genitalia isn't exposed, I'm fine with whatever swimsuit you want to wear to the pool. I also don't have a problem with women going topless to the pool.

So, a see-thru swimsuit would expose genitalia... so you are okay banning them?

They're already illegal in public, so it seems like the rule already exists.

Great, two votes for dress codes!

Now that we agree men shouldn't be allowed to wear bathing suits that permit them to pursue sexual activity at public pools... how about women? Should women be allowed to wear see-thru swimsuits?

What do you consider see through? Isn't that something that is already illegal in public? I have no issues with women going topless, which is also the law.

Why don't we just follow the "Dress code" set out by the laws in the place we live?

Answer the question—should women wear see-thru swimsuits at children's pools? You've already said men, shouldn't... would seem kinda weird to have a double standard here...

There is no double standard. Both things are illegal, so both things are already banned at your local public pool.

What kind of Karen would call the police on someone for their swimsuit? Get a grip, dude!

It would just typically be the pool manager telling them their swimsuit violates the law.

I'm not sure why we need to get police involved... can't we just agree to wear appropriate things in community spaces.

You and I may have different interpretations of "appropriate." For example, certain fundamentalist religions require women to be significantly covered up in public.

If there's a significant percentage of people at the local pool who don't like my wife's somewhat revealing swimsuit for religious reasons, should she cater to their whims and cover up? Or should she be free to continue wearing her (legal) swimsuit as she pleases?

Yes... she should be respectful of the people around her... why would you not want to be respectful?

No, my wife is not going to put a burkini on to placate some religious fundamentalists. They're free to leave the pool if they don't like what she's wearing.

Of course they're free to... but why wouldn't you want to be respectful towards the people around you?

She is being respectful. She's peacefully going about her business in compliance with the law. They have no more right to tell her to cover up than she has to make them wear a skimpy swimsuot.

Or, do you believe someone has the right to demand a Muslim woman take off her headscarf?