The Golden Bachelor

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Anonymous wrote:As the lead of this show, you are required to put out a lot of energy to seem interesting and active... but I'm not sure if 72-yr-old Gerry is REALLY interested in being a go, go, go person, or if he's fulfilling the obligation to appear that way, while in real life, he simply wants to play pickleball, hang out with friend, and enjoy the lake life... know what I mean.

If Gerry is, at heart, at a time in life where he wants to keep it simple, then Faith and Leslie are not going to be the right "speed" for him. Theresa might be more on that speed level.

That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with Faith, or Leslie or Theresa or Gerry. It's just a matter of finding someone who wants to live life at the same pace as you.

Yes, good point. Although I find Theresa quite boring compared to the other two, maybe that’s better suited to him at this stage in his life.

I don't know what "securities professional" means, but it suggests Teresa is at least somewhat smart. She's 70, so she's probably not on the trading floor, but maybe she owns a brokerage or day trades, who knows. I did find Theresa pretty disingenuous during the whole Kathy spat. But it's probably going to be Teresa.

I just can't see Leslie and Gerry together--she's the wrong "speed" as you say. Also I'm not sure what they talk about besides ATV rides and Leslie's life story. Finding a steady man is great, but you need something more to do/talk about in your daily life. Maybe we just don't see that deeper connection happening.

He should have kept Ellen.

Does anybody else have their fingers crossed for Joan coming back? The producers extended the season from 8 to 9 episodes.

Interesting!! I had forgotten about her.

She seemed like a quality/together person.

(I was appalled by the woman who missed her daughter’s wedding to be on a realty TV show!)

I mentioned elsewhere that there was a Farmer Wants a Wife show episode where a woman who had to leave earlier in the story came back and re-entered competition. I wouldn't be surprised if they did that here, too.

It's not happening. Joan isn't coming back. Let it go.

Geez, emotional much?

NP—PP is factual not emotional. The ones who want fairytales and pixydust to have Joan return are emotional. Not just realistic.

"Wanting" is emotional projection. Nobody cares as much as you -- it's just idle speculation.

LOL. So funny. I am sure there are folks here who care and wish Joan would really return. Let’s be real now.

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Anonymous wrote:As the lead of this show, you are required to put out a lot of energy to seem interesting and active... but I'm not sure if 72-yr-old Gerry is REALLY interested in being a go, go, go person, or if he's fulfilling the obligation to appear that way, while in real life, he simply wants to play pickleball, hang out with friend, and enjoy the lake life... know what I mean.

If Gerry is, at heart, at a time in life where he wants to keep it simple, then Faith and Leslie are not going to be the right "speed" for him. Theresa might be more on that speed level.

That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with Faith, or Leslie or Theresa or Gerry. It's just a matter of finding someone who wants to live life at the same pace as you.

Yes, good point. Although I find Theresa quite boring compared to the other two, maybe that’s better suited to him at this stage in his life.

I don't know what "securities professional" means, but it suggests Teresa is at least somewhat smart. She's 70, so she's probably not on the trading floor, but maybe she owns a brokerage or day trades, who knows. I did find Theresa pretty disingenuous during the whole Kathy spat. But it's probably going to be Teresa.

I just can't see Leslie and Gerry together--she's the wrong "speed" as you say. Also I'm not sure what they talk about besides ATV rides and Leslie's life story. Finding a steady man is great, but you need something more to do/talk about in your daily life. Maybe we just don't see that deeper connection happening.

He should have kept Ellen.

Does anybody else have their fingers crossed for Joan coming back? The producers extended the season from 8 to 9 episodes.

Interesting!! I had forgotten about her.

She seemed like a quality/together person.

(I was appalled by the woman who missed her daughter’s wedding to be on a realty TV show!)

I mentioned elsewhere that there was a Farmer Wants a Wife show episode where a woman who had to leave earlier in the story came back and re-entered competition. I wouldn't be surprised if they did that here, too.

It's not happening. Joan isn't coming back. Let it go.

Geez, emotional much?

NP—PP is factual not emotional. The ones who want fairytales and pixydust to have Joan return are emotional. Not just realistic.

"Wanting" is emotional projection. Nobody cares as much as you -- it's just idle speculation.

LOL. So funny. I am sure there are folks here who care and wish Joan would really return. Let’s be real now.

No. But your longing to find something to look down on is getting kind of sad.

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Anonymous wrote:I still can't believe he dropped Ellen. She would have been the best match for him.

I think if they had met under different circumstances they would have become friends and then eventually ended up together. But when he is presented with a buffet of women she didn't stand out to him.

I don't think he was attracted to her, hard to see that changing.

She was the only one (other than Leslie) who didn't look like she'd had a face lift.

I’m not sure Theresa had a full-on face lift, although she’s had work done.

But yeah, he dumped Edith with the gorgeous grey hair pretty quickly.

He dumped the most granny-looking ladies immediately. I honestly don't blame him. He is very fit and youthful for his age, and wants a match in that sense. We saw too little interaction with Edith to know what that was about. I wondered if she wasn't maybe too glamorous for him. He seems to like more low-key attractive.

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Anonymous wrote:I still can't believe he dropped Ellen. She would have been the best match for him.

I think if they had met under different circumstances they would have become friends and then eventually ended up together. But when he is presented with a buffet of women she didn't stand out to him.

I don't think he was attracted to her, hard to see that changing.

She was the only one (other than Leslie) who didn't look like she'd had a face lift.

I’m not sure Theresa had a full-on face lift, although she’s had work done.

But yeah, he dumped Edith with the gorgeous grey hair pretty quickly.

For me, Joan was the only one who'd had very obvious work done, because it was either done too close to filming or it just wasn't done well. Almost all of them have done botox and fillers, some better/worse than others. Kathy and Theresa stand out among the bad. Whatever Faith and Edith had done looked good.
Leslie might actually be completely natural because she's quite wrinkled, but she looks good.

Joan's work and April's work was the worst, hard to look at them. I do think Theresa had a facelift, that's what causes the crazy joker smile, but maybe it wasn't as extreme or had settled a bit more. Without makeup I thought she looked pretty cute. Kathy had overdone the botox imo. Faith, Edith, and Leslie looked great. The first two maybe a very light touch with botox, and Faith maybe light filler. Leslie looked the most natural, but also seems to be the biggest sun worshipper among them other than Susan, who destroyed her poor skin. But she's proof that staying fit and thin all your life is the best thing for skin tone.

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^^because Ellen lives in FL and is a pickleballer outdoors a lot, also not great skin.

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Anonymous wrote:Happened upon Leslie’s old Insta account, which is still up. Pics of her with an old partner, but mostly with family. She hangs with family, likes going to baseball games, likes to cook, read, work out, go out on the water. Other than faith, seems like a very good match for Gerry. I think people are too hung up on her sexy dancer Prince days. Really she’s just an unusually athletic midwestern mom/grandmom and that’s been her identity for a long time now.

I like both ladies, and agree they’re both essentially suburban homebodies. Leslie is younger and more adventurous, but seems to share the same core values. I guess my only real question is about the differences in age and religion.

I guess I also wonder whether he’ll care about Leslie’s more colorful dating history vs. prefer a woman who’s only been with one man. I can’t actually tell how traditional he is.

To me, dating for 40 years without ever getting into a stable relationship is a red flag. But he may feel differently.

She was married twice.

Uh huh. It’s not clear these were good marriages for even a short period of time. Most of her conversations, and all her brother could talk about, is how she makes serial bad choices.

I don’t doubt that he would be good for her, even a white knight. But is she suddenly ready to settle down with a guy who’s 10 years older? The only reason she’s looking at him now is that he’s the bachelor. Also, will she be good for him?

Well first of all, the show comes up with a narrative for each contestant, and Leslie's is that she's had bad luck in love. I'm sure it's not the only thing she's talked to Gerry about, but it's what the producers are showing us.

Second, I'm younger than Leslie and have also made bad choices with men (though I've never married one of them), and I'd love to settle down with a man like Gerry, even if he's a bit too old for me. It seems a bit unfair to say that a woman who has had bad luck in love should never be able to settle down with a good man. (Women like me are generally coached to lie about our relationship history, the assumption being that a man will mistreat a woman who admits that she's' been mistreated. Gerry, however, seems to default to treating women well, even if they might not love themselves or have experienced love, which is why he's a mensch, and why all the women like him). She's probably wanted a man like Gerry for a long time but for whatever reason (poor self-esteem, the kind of guys she's been exposed to) has never had the opportunity to date one. As for whether or not she'd be good for him, that's up to him. I still think he's going to choose Theresa in the end, but I think Leslie is a good mix of basic and exciting.

Sorry, but there’s a difference between “bad luck” and 40 years of bad relationships. Your few youthful bad choices (and I had them too) aren’t really comparable either. At some point, a few decades in, it starts to look like a pattern.

Nobody ever said Leslie doesn’t deserve a good man. It’s just that you can’t blame Gerry if he looks at her and thinks she’s a hot mess.

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Anonymous wrote:Happened upon Leslie’s old Insta account, which is still up. Pics of her with an old partner, but mostly with family. She hangs with family, likes going to baseball games, likes to cook, read, work out, go out on the water. Other than faith, seems like a very good match for Gerry. I think people are too hung up on her sexy dancer Prince days. Really she’s just an unusually athletic midwestern mom/grandmom and that’s been her identity for a long time now.

I like both ladies, and agree they’re both essentially suburban homebodies. Leslie is younger and more adventurous, but seems to share the same core values. I guess my only real question is about the differences in age and religion.

I guess I also wonder whether he’ll care about Leslie’s more colorful dating history vs. prefer a woman who’s only been with one man. I can’t actually tell how traditional he is.

To me, dating for 40 years without ever getting into a stable relationship is a red flag. But he may feel differently.

She was married twice.

Uh huh. It’s not clear these were good marriages for even a short period of time. Most of her conversations, and all her brother could talk about, is how she makes serial bad choices.

I don’t doubt that he would be good for her, even a white knight. But is she suddenly ready to settle down with a guy who’s 10 years older? The only reason she’s looking at him now is that he’s the bachelor. Also, will she be good for him?

Well first of all, the show comes up with a narrative for each contestant, and Leslie's is that she's had bad luck in love. I'm sure it's not the only thing she's talked to Gerry about, but it's what the producers are showing us.

Second, I'm younger than Leslie and have also made bad choices with men (though I've never married one of them), and I'd love to settle down with a man like Gerry, even if he's a bit too old for me. It seems a bit unfair to say that a woman who has had bad luck in love should never be able to settle down with a good man. (Women like me are generally coached to lie about our relationship history, the assumption being that a man will mistreat a woman who admits that she's' been mistreated. Gerry, however, seems to default to treating women well, even if they might not love themselves or have experienced love, which is why he's a mensch, and why all the women like him). She's probably wanted a man like Gerry for a long time but for whatever reason (poor self-esteem, the kind of guys she's been exposed to) has never had the opportunity to date one. As for whether or not she'd be good for him, that's up to him. I still think he's going to choose Theresa in the end, but I think Leslie is a good mix of basic and exciting.

Sorry, but there’s a difference between “bad luck” and 40 years of bad relationships. Your few youthful bad choices (and I had them too) aren’t really comparable either. At some point, a few decades in, it starts to look like a pattern.

Nobody ever said Leslie doesn’t deserve a good man. It’s just that you can’t blame Gerry if he looks at her and thinks she’s a hot mess.

The near-lifelong marriage from a young age is definitely something key that Gerry and Theresa have in common, together with having lost a spouse. But there's almost always more than one way to look at things. Gerry could also potentially envision himself as the great love of Leslie's life. He won't be that for Theresa.

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Does anyone think the difference in religion between Gerry and Leslie might be a problem?

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Anonymous wrote:Her husband died nine years ago, in 2014. And her only other date she decides to go on -- the only date in her life with any other man -- just happens to be in front of cameras on The Bachelor series? Really?

Anonymous wrote:I mean, this is true for him too. You think she should have been dating six months into widowhood? Plus, Leslie has apparently dated tons of guys who were bad choices, and now she’s expecting a guy she just met to make a better choice for her. It’s a weird dynamic all round.

No, it is not. He dated other women between his wife's death and going on the show.

https://www.themirror.com/entertainment/tv/golden-bachelor-fans-spot-major-170795

He had a 60/60 tule: at least 60 years old and no more than 60 miles away.

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^^"60/60 rule"

Also not trying to skip steps in moving the relationship forward too fast.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think the difference in religion between Gerry and Leslie might be a problem?

It depends how flexible/inflexible they both are. If she joins DCUM’s handful of hardliners who refuse to tolerate a Christmas tree, that could be a problem for a guy with grandkids who looks forward to the season. If they’re both willing to attend each others’ services and follow each others’ traditions, it could be a beautiful relationship.

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Anonymous wrote:Happened upon Leslie’s old Insta account, which is still up. Pics of her with an old partner, but mostly with family. She hangs with family, likes going to baseball games, likes to cook, read, work out, go out on the water. Other than faith, seems like a very good match for Gerry. I think people are too hung up on her sexy dancer Prince days. Really she’s just an unusually athletic midwestern mom/grandmom and that’s been her identity for a long time now.

I like both ladies, and agree they’re both essentially suburban homebodies. Leslie is younger and more adventurous, but seems to share the same core values. I guess my only real question is about the differences in age and religion.

I guess I also wonder whether he’ll care about Leslie’s more colorful dating history vs. prefer a woman who’s only been with one man. I can’t actually tell how traditional he is.

To me, dating for 40 years without ever getting into a stable relationship is a red flag. But he may feel differently.

She was married twice.

Uh huh. It’s not clear these were good marriages for even a short period of time. Most of her conversations, and all her brother could talk about, is how she makes serial bad choices.

I don’t doubt that he would be good for her, even a white knight. But is she suddenly ready to settle down with a guy who’s 10 years older? The only reason she’s looking at him now is that he’s the bachelor. Also, will she be good for him?

Well first of all, the show comes up with a narrative for each contestant, and Leslie's is that she's had bad luck in love. I'm sure it's not the only thing she's talked to Gerry about, but it's what the producers are showing us.

Second, I'm younger than Leslie and have also made bad choices with men (though I've never married one of them), and I'd love to settle down with a man like Gerry, even if he's a bit too old for me. It seems a bit unfair to say that a woman who has had bad luck in love should never be able to settle down with a good man. (Women like me are generally coached to lie about our relationship history, the assumption being that a man will mistreat a woman who admits that she's' been mistreated. Gerry, however, seems to default to treating women well, even if they might not love themselves or have experienced love, which is why he's a mensch, and why all the women like him). She's probably wanted a man like Gerry for a long time but for whatever reason (poor self-esteem, the kind of guys she's been exposed to) has never had the opportunity to date one. As for whether or not she'd be good for him, that's up to him. I still think he's going to choose Theresa in the end, but I think Leslie is a good mix of basic and exciting.

Sorry, but there’s a difference between “bad luck” and 40 years of bad relationships. Your few youthful bad choices (and I had them too) aren’t really comparable either. At some point, a few decades in, it starts to look like a pattern.

Nobody ever said Leslie doesn’t deserve a good man. It’s just that you can’t blame Gerry if he looks at her and thinks she’s a hot mess.

Well, this is why I have two fake long term relationships.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think the difference in religion between Gerry and Leslie might be a problem?

It depends how flexible/inflexible they both are. If she joins DCUM’s handful of hardliners who refuse to tolerate a Christmas tree, that could be a problem for a guy with grandkids who looks forward to the season. If they’re both willing to attend each others’ services and follow each others’ traditions, it could be a beautiful relationship.

Why do you think she (but not him) might refuse to celebrate the other’s holidays?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think the difference in religion between Gerry and Leslie might be a problem?

No- they aren't raising young kids anymore so what they do with their respective adult children/grandchildren shouldn't cause conflict. Now if one wants to hang at church/synagogue all the time- sure that would be a problem.

This is terrible of me to speculate but I can imagine all the women being fine/normal enough in bed but I cannot imagine Gerry in bed. I think you'd get a firm talking-to if you said something dirty to him or suggested something non- traditional (to him) or even asked for more of a throw-down... he'd chortle and do his Goofy-esque 'oh, garsh.... lemmie see if I CAN go a little faster, Mickey- I mean nice bachelorette lady!"

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think the difference in religion between Gerry and Leslie might be a problem?

It depends how flexible/inflexible they both are. If she joins DCUM’s handful of hardliners who refuse to tolerate a Christmas tree, that could be a problem for a guy with grandkids who looks forward to the season. If they’re both willing to attend each others’ services and follow each others’ traditions, it could be a beautiful relationship.

Why do you think she (but not him) might refuse to celebrate the other’s holidays?

I said both need to be flexible and participate in the others’ traditions. I gave a single example. There are examples on his side too. Don’t pick fights where there’s no reason.