s/o. Truck convoy now headed to DC

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Anonymous wrote:My aunt was radicalized by FOX news and all the people around her in Georgia that watched FOX news. They all talked about what they saw on FOX and vowed not to get vaccinated.

A 68 year old otherwise healthy old friend in Georgia just died of Covid in February. Voluntarily unvaccinated, and still worked at a place that did not require masks or vaccines. He was one year away from being able to take retirement. Also addicted to FOX news.

Georgia was terrible. They lost so many to covid. Shame on Georgia. Get some medical expertise there and listen to it for crying out loud.

Doctors told them they should be vaccinated, but FOX News told them (and all their neighbors otherwise.) Who is going to listen to all those educated libruls anyhow?

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Anonymous wrote:How predictable.

Haha. Maybe the dumba$$es will get vaccinated and head home.

Yeah, because taking a vax right after Covid recovery is soooo "science"

LOL. Did they ALL get covid? That’s even better karma.

Let me guess, half of them if not more already had it. It's been 2 years. If they have it again, they'll be fine, except those who have serious issues. Which is why vax mandates were harmful, they ruined all the trust in our health institutions, a "gift" that will keep on giving. Those people who really needed the vax (elderly, obese, those with pre-existing conditions) ended up not taking it, while we forced healthy and young, Covid recovered, and even little kids to take the shots to be able to participate in society.

Our entire coercion campaign and all the mandates targeted those of working age and students and kids. It skipped those who don't work for a living or attend college, ironically, the "skipped" category includes most people at risk to actually have complications. How "sciency"

How would you suggest those skipped groups be included?

By not introducing the mandates after it was announced that vax doesn't stop transmission and applying these mandates to all the low risk groups. This didn't make sense to those already skeptical or hesitant, so they hesitated even more and started to reach out to every possible information source to confirm their fears or their reasons for hesitation. Acknowledging natural immunity, acknowledging that not everyone needs these shots and it should be a choice, acknowledging that other early treatments exist or that we are open to investigating them instead of suppressing them in favor of these vaccines. By marketing these shots like we do Flu shots vs. the only salvation we have while we know so very little about the shots efficacy and safety given the lack of long term data. Older and more vulnerable people who see others around them dying would have gotten themselves protected in due time.

You’re just repeating untrue talking points. The same studies were done for efficacy and safety as are done with every vaccine. Trump was the only one pressuring the FDA to approve it ahead of the timeline we’ve been using for a long time. If you don’t understand how vaccines are studied, then maybe you should turn on Fox, and crack open a science book. FFS. Stop repeating this bullshit.

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Anonymous wrote:How predictable.

Haha. Maybe the dumba$$es will get vaccinated and head home.

Yeah, because taking a vax right after Covid recovery is soooo "science"

LOL. Did they ALL get covid? That’s even better karma.

Let me guess, half of them if not more already had it. It's been 2 years. If they have it again, they'll be fine, except those who have serious issues. Which is why vax mandates were harmful, they ruined all the trust in our health institutions, a "gift" that will keep on giving. Those people who really needed the vax (elderly, obese, those with pre-existing conditions) ended up not taking it, while we forced healthy and young, Covid recovered, and even little kids to take the shots to be able to participate in society.

Our entire coercion campaign and all the mandates targeted those of working age and students and kids. It skipped those who don't work for a living or attend college, ironically, the "skipped" category includes most people at risk to actually have complications. How "sciency"

How would you suggest those skipped groups be included?

By not introducing the mandates after it was announced that vax doesn't stop transmission and applying these mandates to all the low risk groups. This didn't make sense to those already skeptical or hesitant, so they hesitated even more and started to reach out to every possible information source to confirm their fears or their reasons for hesitation. Acknowledging natural immunity, acknowledging that not everyone needs these shots and it should be a choice, acknowledging that other early treatments exist or that we are open to investigating them instead of suppressing them in favor of these vaccines. By marketing these shots like we do Flu shots vs. the only salvation we have while we know so very little about the shots efficacy and safety given the lack of long term data. Older and more vulnerable people who see others around them dying would have gotten themselves protected in due time.

You’re just repeating untrue talking points. The same studies were done for efficacy and safety as are done with every vaccine. Trump was the only one pressuring the FDA to approve it ahead of the timeline we’ve been using for a long time. If you don’t understand how vaccines are studied, then maybe you should turn on Fox, and crack open a science book. FFS. Stop repeating this bullshit.

What did I say exactly that was not true?
1) Vax does not stop transmission, this was disclosed by CDC during the White house hearing on Covid in early August 2021.
2) There is no long term data because they are relatively new, it's been less than a year for most age groups and we already were supposed to receive boosters and are now discussing shot #4.
3) Repeated boosters were not tested. Vax trials excluded Covid recovered, so they were forced to become test subjects, they already have antibodies, remember? This group should have been included in formal trials before mandating Covid recovered to take the shots.
4) You know that this isn't a traditional vaccine which would use attenuated virus, the delivery mechanism (LNPs) and the way antigen gets produced (by our cellular apparatus) is very different. Do I need to explain to you in detail how they are different? Maybe it's you who need to crack open your "science book" if you do not understand this simple fact.

I don't think this thread is even about vaccines themselves, it's about MANDATES, I am not debating whether people should take the vaccines or not, this should be a choice, and there has to be consent. I am simply pointing glaring issues and data gaps that make the MANDATES and coercion violations of medical ethics

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Anonymous wrote:How predictable.

Haha. Maybe the dumba$$es will get vaccinated and head home.

Yeah, because taking a vax right after Covid recovery is soooo "science"

LOL. Did they ALL get covid? That’s even better karma.

Let me guess, half of them if not more already had it. It's been 2 years. If they have it again, they'll be fine, except those who have serious issues. Which is why vax mandates were harmful, they ruined all the trust in our health institutions, a "gift" that will keep on giving. Those people who really needed the vax (elderly, obese, those with pre-existing conditions) ended up not taking it, while we forced healthy and young, Covid recovered, and even little kids to take the shots to be able to participate in society.

Our entire coercion campaign and all the mandates targeted those of working age and students and kids. It skipped those who don't work for a living or attend college, ironically, the "skipped" category includes most people at risk to actually have complications. How "sciency"

How would you suggest those skipped groups be included?

By not introducing the mandates after it was announced that vax doesn't stop transmission and applying these mandates to all the low risk groups. This didn't make sense to those already skeptical or hesitant, so they hesitated even more and started to reach out to every possible information source to confirm their fears or their reasons for hesitation. Acknowledging natural immunity, acknowledging that not everyone needs these shots and it should be a choice, acknowledging that other early treatments exist or that we are open to investigating them instead of suppressing them in favor of these vaccines. By marketing these shots like we do Flu shots vs. the only salvation we have while we know so very little about the shots efficacy and safety given the lack of long term data. Older and more vulnerable people who see others around them dying would have gotten themselves protected in due time.

You’re just repeating untrue talking points. The same studies were done for efficacy and safety as are done with every vaccine. Trump was the only one pressuring the FDA to approve it ahead of the timeline we’ve been using for a long time. If you don’t understand how vaccines are studied, then maybe you should turn on Fox, and crack open a science book. FFS. Stop repeating this bullshit.

What did I say exactly that was not true?
1) Vax does not stop transmission, this was disclosed by CDC during the White house hearing on Covid in early August 2021.
2) There is no long term data because they are relatively new, it's been less than a year for most age groups and we already were supposed to receive boosters and are now discussing shot #4.
3) Repeated boosters were not tested. Vax trials excluded Covid recovered, so they were forced to become test subjects, they already have antibodies, remember? This group should have been included in formal trials before mandating Covid recovered to take the shots.
4) You know that this isn't a traditional vaccine which would use attenuated virus, the delivery mechanism (LNPs) and the way antigen gets produced (by our cellular apparatus) is very different. Do I need to explain to you in detail how they are different? Maybe it's you who need to crack open your "science book" if you do not understand this simple fact.

I don't think this thread is even about vaccines themselves, it's about MANDATES, I am not debating whether people should take the vaccines or not, this should be a choice, and there has to be consent. I am simply pointing glaring issues and data gaps that make the MANDATES and coercion violations of medical ethics

Word salad.

[Anonymous]

Is this convoy still a thing? I’m in NY and we don’t hear anything about it even on the local news. Must not have amounted to much I guess?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this convoy still a thing? I’m in NY and we don’t hear anything about it even on the local news. Must not have amounted to much I guess?

Pretty much a nothingburger. Turns out Canadian drivers are more polite than DMV commuters. And cyclists.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this convoy still a thing? I’m in NY and we don’t hear anything about it even on the local news. Must not have amounted to much I guess?

Why would NY local news be interested in this?

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Anonymous wrote:How predictable.

Haha. Maybe the dumba$$es will get vaccinated and head home.

Yeah, because taking a vax right after Covid recovery is soooo "science"

LOL. Did they ALL get covid? That’s even better karma.

Let me guess, half of them if not more already had it. It's been 2 years. If they have it again, they'll be fine, except those who have serious issues. Which is why vax mandates were harmful, they ruined all the trust in our health institutions, a "gift" that will keep on giving. Those people who really needed the vax (elderly, obese, those with pre-existing conditions) ended up not taking it, while we forced healthy and young, Covid recovered, and even little kids to take the shots to be able to participate in society.

Our entire coercion campaign and all the mandates targeted those of working age and students and kids. It skipped those who don't work for a living or attend college, ironically, the "skipped" category includes most people at risk to actually have complications. How "sciency"

How would you suggest those skipped groups be included?

By not introducing the mandates after it was announced that vax doesn't stop transmission and applying these mandates to all the low risk groups. This didn't make sense to those already skeptical or hesitant, so they hesitated even more and started to reach out to every possible information source to confirm their fears or their reasons for hesitation. Acknowledging natural immunity, acknowledging that not everyone needs these shots and it should be a choice, acknowledging that other early treatments exist or that we are open to investigating them instead of suppressing them in favor of these vaccines. By marketing these shots like we do Flu shots vs. the only salvation we have while we know so very little about the shots efficacy and safety given the lack of long term data. Older and more vulnerable people who see others around them dying would have gotten themselves protected in due time.

You’re just repeating untrue talking points. The same studies were done for efficacy and safety as are done with every vaccine. Trump was the only one pressuring the FDA to approve it ahead of the timeline we’ve been using for a long time. If you don’t understand how vaccines are studied, then maybe you should turn on Fox, and crack open a science book. FFS. Stop repeating this bullshit.

What did I say exactly that was not true?
1) Vax does not stop transmission, this was disclosed by CDC during the White house hearing on Covid in early August 2021.
2) There is no long term data because they are relatively new, it's been less than a year for most age groups and we already were supposed to receive boosters and are now discussing shot #4.
3) Repeated boosters were not tested. Vax trials excluded Covid recovered, so they were forced to become test subjects, they already have antibodies, remember? This group should have been included in formal trials before mandating Covid recovered to take the shots.
4) You know that this isn't a traditional vaccine which would use attenuated virus, the delivery mechanism (LNPs) and the way antigen gets produced (by our cellular apparatus) is very different. Do I need to explain to you in detail how they are different? Maybe it's you who need to crack open your "science book" if you do not understand this simple fact.

I don't think this thread is even about vaccines themselves, it's about MANDATES, I am not debating whether people should take the vaccines or not, this should be a choice, and there has to be consent. I am simply pointing glaring issues and data gaps that make the MANDATES and coercion violations of medical ethics

Word salad.

Tell me you didn't read it without telling me you didn't read it. Cognitive dissonance isn't easy

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Anonymous wrote:How predictable.

Haha. Maybe the dumba$$es will get vaccinated and head home.

Yeah, because taking a vax right after Covid recovery is soooo "science"

LOL. Did they ALL get covid? That’s even better karma.

Let me guess, half of them if not more already had it. It's been 2 years. If they have it again, they'll be fine, except those who have serious issues. Which is why vax mandates were harmful, they ruined all the trust in our health institutions, a "gift" that will keep on giving. Those people who really needed the vax (elderly, obese, those with pre-existing conditions) ended up not taking it, while we forced healthy and young, Covid recovered, and even little kids to take the shots to be able to participate in society.

Our entire coercion campaign and all the mandates targeted those of working age and students and kids. It skipped those who don't work for a living or attend college, ironically, the "skipped" category includes most people at risk to actually have complications. How "sciency"

How would you suggest those skipped groups be included?

By not introducing the mandates after it was announced that vax doesn't stop transmission and applying these mandates to all the low risk groups. This didn't make sense to those already skeptical or hesitant, so they hesitated even more and started to reach out to every possible information source to confirm their fears or their reasons for hesitation. Acknowledging natural immunity, acknowledging that not everyone needs these shots and it should be a choice, acknowledging that other early treatments exist or that we are open to investigating them instead of suppressing them in favor of these vaccines. By marketing these shots like we do Flu shots vs. the only salvation we have while we know so very little about the shots efficacy and safety given the lack of long term data. Older and more vulnerable people who see others around them dying would have gotten themselves protected in due time.

You’re just repeating untrue talking points. The same studies were done for efficacy and safety as are done with every vaccine. Trump was the only one pressuring the FDA to approve it ahead of the timeline we’ve been using for a long time. If you don’t understand how vaccines are studied, then maybe you should turn on Fox, and crack open a science book. FFS. Stop repeating this bullshit.

What did I say exactly that was not true?
1) Vax does not stop transmission, this was disclosed by CDC during the White house hearing on Covid in early August 2021.
2) There is no long term data because they are relatively new, it's been less than a year for most age groups and we already were supposed to receive boosters and are now discussing shot #4.
3) Repeated boosters were not tested. Vax trials excluded Covid recovered, so they were forced to become test subjects, they already have antibodies, remember? This group should have been included in formal trials before mandating Covid recovered to take the shots.
4) You know that this isn't a traditional vaccine which would use attenuated virus, the delivery mechanism (LNPs) and the way antigen gets produced (by our cellular apparatus) is very different. Do I need to explain to you in detail how they are different? Maybe it's you who need to crack open your "science book" if you do not understand this simple fact.

I don't think this thread is even about vaccines themselves, it's about MANDATES, I am not debating whether people should take the vaccines or not, this should be a choice, and there has to be consent. I am simply pointing glaring issues and data gaps that make the MANDATES and coercion violations of medical ethics

Yessir thats right. Y'all cain't take away mah freedom.

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Anonymous wrote:How predictable.

Haha. Maybe the dumba$$es will get vaccinated and head home.

Yeah, because taking a vax right after Covid recovery is soooo "science"

LOL. Did they ALL get covid? That’s even better karma.

Let me guess, half of them if not more already had it. It's been 2 years. If they have it again, they'll be fine, except those who have serious issues. Which is why vax mandates were harmful, they ruined all the trust in our health institutions, a "gift" that will keep on giving. Those people who really needed the vax (elderly, obese, those with pre-existing conditions) ended up not taking it, while we forced healthy and young, Covid recovered, and even little kids to take the shots to be able to participate in society.

Our entire coercion campaign and all the mandates targeted those of working age and students and kids. It skipped those who don't work for a living or attend college, ironically, the "skipped" category includes most people at risk to actually have complications. How "sciency"

How would you suggest those skipped groups be included?

By not introducing the mandates after it was announced that vax doesn't stop transmission and applying these mandates to all the low risk groups. This didn't make sense to those already skeptical or hesitant, so they hesitated even more and started to reach out to every possible information source to confirm their fears or their reasons for hesitation. Acknowledging natural immunity, acknowledging that not everyone needs these shots and it should be a choice, acknowledging that other early treatments exist or that we are open to investigating them instead of suppressing them in favor of these vaccines. By marketing these shots like we do Flu shots vs. the only salvation we have while we know so very little about the shots efficacy and safety given the lack of long term data. Older and more vulnerable people who see others around them dying would have gotten themselves protected in due time.

You’re just repeating untrue talking points. The same studies were done for efficacy and safety as are done with every vaccine. Trump was the only one pressuring the FDA to approve it ahead of the timeline we’ve been using for a long time. If you don’t understand how vaccines are studied, then maybe you should turn on Fox, and crack open a science book. FFS. Stop repeating this bullshit.

What did I say exactly that was not true?
1) Vax does not stop transmission, this was disclosed by CDC during the White house hearing on Covid in early August 2021.
2) There is no long term data because they are relatively new, it's been less than a year for most age groups and we already were supposed to receive boosters and are now discussing shot #4.
3) Repeated boosters were not tested. Vax trials excluded Covid recovered, so they were forced to become test subjects, they already have antibodies, remember? This group should have been included in formal trials before mandating Covid recovered to take the shots.
4) You know that this isn't a traditional vaccine which would use attenuated virus, the delivery mechanism (LNPs) and the way antigen gets produced (by our cellular apparatus) is very different. Do I need to explain to you in detail how they are different? Maybe it's you who need to crack open your "science book" if you do not understand this simple fact.

I don't think this thread is even about vaccines themselves, it's about MANDATES, I am not debating whether people should take the vaccines or not, this should be a choice, and there has to be consent. I am simply pointing glaring issues and data gaps that make the MANDATES and coercion violations of medical ethics

You are arguing in bad faith. The vaccines prevented hospitalizations and deaths. That was their purpose. I know several vaccinated people who got Covid in the January surge and they all got over it fine at home, even though they have high risk factors. It isn’t a failure that they got it, it’s a success that their cases were not severe. It’s indisputable that the vaccine saved hundreds of thousands of lives and would have saved thousands more if you people were not such dumbasses just to be contrarian.

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Anonymous wrote:How predictable.

Haha. Maybe the dumba$$es will get vaccinated and head home.

Yeah, because taking a vax right after Covid recovery is soooo "science"

LOL. Did they ALL get covid? That’s even better karma.

Let me guess, half of them if not more already had it. It's been 2 years. If they have it again, they'll be fine, except those who have serious issues. Which is why vax mandates were harmful, they ruined all the trust in our health institutions, a "gift" that will keep on giving. Those people who really needed the vax (elderly, obese, those with pre-existing conditions) ended up not taking it, while we forced healthy and young, Covid recovered, and even little kids to take the shots to be able to participate in society.

Our entire coercion campaign and all the mandates targeted those of working age and students and kids. It skipped those who don't work for a living or attend college, ironically, the "skipped" category includes most people at risk to actually have complications. How "sciency"

How would you suggest those skipped groups be included?

By not introducing the mandates after it was announced that vax doesn't stop transmission and applying these mandates to all the low risk groups. This didn't make sense to those already skeptical or hesitant, so they hesitated even more and started to reach out to every possible information source to confirm their fears or their reasons for hesitation. Acknowledging natural immunity, acknowledging that not everyone needs these shots and it should be a choice, acknowledging that other early treatments exist or that we are open to investigating them instead of suppressing them in favor of these vaccines. By marketing these shots like we do Flu shots vs. the only salvation we have while we know so very little about the shots efficacy and safety given the lack of long term data. Older and more vulnerable people who see others around them dying would have gotten themselves protected in due time.

You’re just repeating untrue talking points. The same studies were done for efficacy and safety as are done with every vaccine. Trump was the only one pressuring the FDA to approve it ahead of the timeline we’ve been using for a long time. If you don’t understand how vaccines are studied, then maybe you should turn on Fox, and crack open a science book. FFS. Stop repeating this bullshit.

What did I say exactly that was not true?
1) Vax does not stop transmission, this was disclosed by CDC during the White house hearing on Covid in early August 2021.
2) There is no long term data because they are relatively new, it's been less than a year for most age groups and we already were supposed to receive boosters and are now discussing shot #4.
3) Repeated boosters were not tested. Vax trials excluded Covid recovered, so they were forced to become test subjects, they already have antibodies, remember? This group should have been included in formal trials before mandating Covid recovered to take the shots.
4) You know that this isn't a traditional vaccine which would use attenuated virus, the delivery mechanism (LNPs) and the way antigen gets produced (by our cellular apparatus) is very different. Do I need to explain to you in detail how they are different? Maybe it's you who need to crack open your "science book" if you do not understand this simple fact.

I don't think this thread is even about vaccines themselves, it's about MANDATES, I am not debating whether people should take the vaccines or not, this should be a choice, and there has to be consent. I am simply pointing glaring issues and data gaps that make the MANDATES and coercion violations of medical ethics

You are arguing in bad faith. The vaccines prevented hospitalizations and deaths. That was their purpose. I know several vaccinated people who got Covid in the January surge and they all got over it fine at home, even though they have high risk factors. It isn’t a failure that they got it, it’s a success that their cases were not severe. It’s indisputable that the vaccine saved hundreds of thousands of lives and would have saved thousands more if you people were not such dumbasses just to be contrarian.

There are different estimates but better and quicker adoption of things like masking before the vaccine and then better and quicker adoption of the vaccine could have saved at least a hundred thousand lives and some estimates are considerably higher.

We did a terrible job and lost the war on covid.

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Back to the convoy, please. This is cringy.

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Anonymous wrote:How predictable.

Haha. Maybe the dumba$$es will get vaccinated and head home.

Yeah, because taking a vax right after Covid recovery is soooo "science"

LOL. Did they ALL get covid? That’s even better karma.

Let me guess, half of them if not more already had it. It's been 2 years. If they have it again, they'll be fine, except those who have serious issues. Which is why vax mandates were harmful, they ruined all the trust in our health institutions, a "gift" that will keep on giving. Those people who really needed the vax (elderly, obese, those with pre-existing conditions) ended up not taking it, while we forced healthy and young, Covid recovered, and even little kids to take the shots to be able to participate in society.

Our entire coercion campaign and all the mandates targeted those of working age and students and kids. It skipped those who don't work for a living or attend college, ironically, the "skipped" category includes most people at risk to actually have complications. How "sciency"

How would you suggest those skipped groups be included?

By not introducing the mandates after it was announced that vax doesn't stop transmission and applying these mandates to all the low risk groups. This didn't make sense to those already skeptical or hesitant, so they hesitated even more and started to reach out to every possible information source to confirm their fears or their reasons for hesitation. Acknowledging natural immunity, acknowledging that not everyone needs these shots and it should be a choice, acknowledging that other early treatments exist or that we are open to investigating them instead of suppressing them in favor of these vaccines. By marketing these shots like we do Flu shots vs. the only salvation we have while we know so very little about the shots efficacy and safety given the lack of long term data. Older and more vulnerable people who see others around them dying would have gotten themselves protected in due time.

You’re just repeating untrue talking points. The same studies were done for efficacy and safety as are done with every vaccine. Trump was the only one pressuring the FDA to approve it ahead of the timeline we’ve been using for a long time. If you don’t understand how vaccines are studied, then maybe you should turn on Fox, and crack open a science book. FFS. Stop repeating this bullshit.

What did I say exactly that was not true?
1) Vax does not stop transmission, this was disclosed by CDC during the White house hearing on Covid in early August 2021.
2) There is no long term data because they are relatively new, it's been less than a year for most age groups and we already were supposed to receive boosters and are now discussing shot #4.
3) Repeated boosters were not tested. Vax trials excluded Covid recovered, so they were forced to become test subjects, they already have antibodies, remember? This group should have been included in formal trials before mandating Covid recovered to take the shots.
4) You know that this isn't a traditional vaccine which would use attenuated virus, the delivery mechanism (LNPs) and the way antigen gets produced (by our cellular apparatus) is very different. Do I need to explain to you in detail how they are different? Maybe it's you who need to crack open your "science book" if you do not understand this simple fact.

I don't think this thread is even about vaccines themselves, it's about MANDATES, I am not debating whether people should take the vaccines or not, this should be a choice, and there has to be consent. I am simply pointing glaring issues and data gaps that make the MANDATES and coercion violations of medical ethics

You are arguing in bad faith. The vaccines prevented hospitalizations and deaths. That was their purpose. I know several vaccinated people who got Covid in the January surge and they all got over it fine at home, even though they have high risk factors. It isn’t a failure that they got it, it’s a success that their cases were not severe. It’s indisputable that the vaccine saved hundreds of thousands of lives and would have saved thousands more if you people were not such dumbasses just to be contrarian.

We are talking about MANDATES here, not whether vaccines are good or bad, pay attention. Whether I disagree or agree that they are necessary for EVERY single person it not even relevant, what's relevant is that EVERYONE HAS A CHOICE in the matter. No medical intervention, no matter how good it is should be pushed upon people against their will. Nobody should be injecting you with a treatment that's good for you that you do not want or didn't consent to. What is so difficult to understand about it?

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Anonymous wrote:How predictable.

Haha. Maybe the dumba$$es will get vaccinated and head home.

Yeah, because taking a vax right after Covid recovery is soooo "science"

LOL. Did they ALL get covid? That’s even better karma.

Let me guess, half of them if not more already had it. It's been 2 years. If they have it again, they'll be fine, except those who have serious issues. Which is why vax mandates were harmful, they ruined all the trust in our health institutions, a "gift" that will keep on giving. Those people who really needed the vax (elderly, obese, those with pre-existing conditions) ended up not taking it, while we forced healthy and young, Covid recovered, and even little kids to take the shots to be able to participate in society.

Our entire coercion campaign and all the mandates targeted those of working age and students and kids. It skipped those who don't work for a living or attend college, ironically, the "skipped" category includes most people at risk to actually have complications. How "sciency"

How would you suggest those skipped groups be included?

By not introducing the mandates after it was announced that vax doesn't stop transmission and applying these mandates to all the low risk groups. This didn't make sense to those already skeptical or hesitant, so they hesitated even more and started to reach out to every possible information source to confirm their fears or their reasons for hesitation. Acknowledging natural immunity, acknowledging that not everyone needs these shots and it should be a choice, acknowledging that other early treatments exist or that we are open to investigating them instead of suppressing them in favor of these vaccines. By marketing these shots like we do Flu shots vs. the only salvation we have while we know so very little about the shots efficacy and safety given the lack of long term data. Older and more vulnerable people who see others around them dying would have gotten themselves protected in due time.

You’re just repeating untrue talking points. The same studies were done for efficacy and safety as are done with every vaccine. Trump was the only one pressuring the FDA to approve it ahead of the timeline we’ve been using for a long time. If you don’t understand how vaccines are studied, then maybe you should turn on Fox, and crack open a science book. FFS. Stop repeating this bullshit.

What did I say exactly that was not true?
1) Vax does not stop transmission, this was disclosed by CDC during the White house hearing on Covid in early August 2021.
2) There is no long term data because they are relatively new, it's been less than a year for most age groups and we already were supposed to receive boosters and are now discussing shot #4.
3) Repeated boosters were not tested. Vax trials excluded Covid recovered, so they were forced to become test subjects, they already have antibodies, remember? This group should have been included in formal trials before mandating Covid recovered to take the shots.
4) You know that this isn't a traditional vaccine which would use attenuated virus, the delivery mechanism (LNPs) and the way antigen gets produced (by our cellular apparatus) is very different. Do I need to explain to you in detail how they are different? Maybe it's you who need to crack open your "science book" if you do not understand this simple fact.

I don't think this thread is even about vaccines themselves, it's about MANDATES, I am not debating whether people should take the vaccines or not, this should be a choice, and there has to be consent. I am simply pointing glaring issues and data gaps that make the MANDATES and coercion violations of medical ethics

You are arguing in bad faith. The vaccines prevented hospitalizations and deaths. That was their purpose. I know several vaccinated people who got Covid in the January surge and they all got over it fine at home, even though they have high risk factors. It isn’t a failure that they got it, it’s a success that their cases were not severe. It’s indisputable that the vaccine saved hundreds of thousands of lives and would have saved thousands more if you people were not such dumbasses just to be contrarian.

There are different estimates but better and quicker adoption of things like masking before the vaccine and then better and quicker adoption of the vaccine could have saved at least a hundred thousand lives and some estimates are considerably higher.

We did a terrible job and lost the war on covid.

LOL, what in your opinion is "winning the war on Covid"? Who exactly won it?

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Anonymous wrote:How predictable.

Haha. Maybe the dumba$$es will get vaccinated and head home.

Yeah, because taking a vax right after Covid recovery is soooo "science"

LOL. Did they ALL get covid? That’s even better karma.

Let me guess, half of them if not more already had it. It's been 2 years. If they have it again, they'll be fine, except those who have serious issues. Which is why vax mandates were harmful, they ruined all the trust in our health institutions, a "gift" that will keep on giving. Those people who really needed the vax (elderly, obese, those with pre-existing conditions) ended up not taking it, while we forced healthy and young, Covid recovered, and even little kids to take the shots to be able to participate in society.

Our entire coercion campaign and all the mandates targeted those of working age and students and kids. It skipped those who don't work for a living or attend college, ironically, the "skipped" category includes most people at risk to actually have complications. How "sciency"

How would you suggest those skipped groups be included?

By not introducing the mandates after it was announced that vax doesn't stop transmission and applying these mandates to all the low risk groups. This didn't make sense to those already skeptical or hesitant, so they hesitated even more and started to reach out to every possible information source to confirm their fears or their reasons for hesitation. Acknowledging natural immunity, acknowledging that not everyone needs these shots and it should be a choice, acknowledging that other early treatments exist or that we are open to investigating them instead of suppressing them in favor of these vaccines. By marketing these shots like we do Flu shots vs. the only salvation we have while we know so very little about the shots efficacy and safety given the lack of long term data. Older and more vulnerable people who see others around them dying would have gotten themselves protected in due time.

You’re just repeating untrue talking points. The same studies were done for efficacy and safety as are done with every vaccine. Trump was the only one pressuring the FDA to approve it ahead of the timeline we’ve been using for a long time. If you don’t understand how vaccines are studied, then maybe you should turn on Fox, and crack open a science book. FFS. Stop repeating this bullshit.

What did I say exactly that was not true?
1) Vax does not stop transmission, this was disclosed by CDC during the White house hearing on Covid in early August 2021.
2) There is no long term data because they are relatively new, it's been less than a year for most age groups and we already were supposed to receive boosters and are now discussing shot #4.
3) Repeated boosters were not tested. Vax trials excluded Covid recovered, so they were forced to become test subjects, they already have antibodies, remember? This group should have been included in formal trials before mandating Covid recovered to take the shots.
4) You know that this isn't a traditional vaccine which would use attenuated virus, the delivery mechanism (LNPs) and the way antigen gets produced (by our cellular apparatus) is very different. Do I need to explain to you in detail how they are different? Maybe it's you who need to crack open your "science book" if you do not understand this simple fact.

I don't think this thread is even about vaccines themselves, it's about MANDATES, I am not debating whether people should take the vaccines or not, this should be a choice, and there has to be consent. I am simply pointing glaring issues and data gaps that make the MANDATES and coercion violations of medical ethics

You are arguing in bad faith. The vaccines prevented hospitalizations and deaths. That was their purpose. I know several vaccinated people who got Covid in the January surge and they all got over it fine at home, even though they have high risk factors. It isn’t a failure that they got it, it’s a success that their cases were not severe. It’s indisputable that the vaccine saved hundreds of thousands of lives and would have saved thousands more if you people were not such dumbasses just to be contrarian.

There are different estimates but better and quicker adoption of things like masking before the vaccine and then better and quicker adoption of the vaccine could have saved at least a hundred thousand lives and some estimates are considerably higher.

We did a terrible job and lost the war on covid.

LOL, what in your opinion is "winning the war on Covid"? Who exactly won it?

Lol. If the 900,000 plus bodies in all those covid graves could speak, pretty sure they would say that covid won.