Masks optional by spring break

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One way masking clearly doesn't work or we wouldn't have all the positives. KN95 are not all reliable so pushing them makes no sense. You want another surge? You want someone to get really sick? What is wrong with you that you cannot handle basic precautions?

So your argument against going mask optional and in favor of continued masking in schools, is that KN95s do not provide reliable protection? Interesting.

I support masking. My kids will mask. Let your kids get it. I’m fine with your kids getting it, just not mine.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI - Frederick to vote to remove masks at their next meeting on Wed 2/23.

We'll see if they're the first to do it

That's sad. It should be a decision by the dept of health based on science, not politics.

Well, to be fair, they have met one of the off-ramp metrics from MSDE.

And considering the mandate was created by the MSDE (and not the dept of health), you could argue that it never should have been there in the first place

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One way masking clearly doesn't work or we wouldn't have all the positives. KN95 are not all reliable so pushing them makes no sense. You want another surge? You want someone to get really sick? What is wrong with you that you cannot handle basic precautions?

So your argument against going mask optional and in favor of continued masking in schools, is that KN95s do not provide reliable protection? Interesting.

I support masking. My kids will mask. Let your kids get it. I’m fine with your kids getting it, just not mine.

NP, but honestly, you're not being very clear. You say you support masking but in the prior post you say that one-way masking doesnt work and KN95s aren't reliable.

So what is that you want?

Everyone in scuba gear?

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One way masking clearly doesn't work or we wouldn't have all the positives. KN95 are not all reliable so pushing them makes no sense. You want another surge? You want someone to get really sick? What is wrong with you that you cannot handle basic precautions?

So your argument against going mask optional and in favor of continued masking in schools, is that KN95s do not provide reliable protection? Interesting.

I support masking. My kids will mask. Let your kids get it. I’m fine with your kids getting it, just not mine.

Now you are saying that masks protect your child, but not anyone else who might be vulnerable and wearing a high-quality mask?

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One way masking clearly doesn't work or we wouldn't have all the positives. KN95 are not all reliable so pushing them makes no sense. You want another surge? You want someone to get really sick? What is wrong with you that you cannot handle basic precautions?

So your argument against going mask optional and in favor of continued masking in schools, is that KN95s do not provide reliable protection? Interesting.

I support masking. My kids will mask. Let your kids get it. I’m fine with your kids getting it, just not mine.

Now you are saying that masks protect your child, but not anyone else who might be vulnerable and wearing a high-quality mask?

Yeah, this person is all over the place.

In one breathe they say: one-way masking doesn't work!

then moments later they say: fine, don't put a mask on your kid. mine will be masked and won't get sick.

they are just spun up into a tizzy.

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One way masking clearly doesn't work or we wouldn't have all the positives. KN95 are not all reliable so pushing them makes no sense. You want another surge? You want someone to get really sick? What is wrong with you that you cannot handle basic precautions?

So your argument against going mask optional and in favor of continued masking in schools, is that KN95s do not provide reliable protection? Interesting.

I support masking. My kids will mask. Let your kids get it. I’m fine with your kids getting it, just not mine.

This is exactly the way it should be. Thank you. I'll let my kids "get it," (except they already had it, so there's that lol).

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One way masking clearly doesn't work or we wouldn't have all the positives. KN95 are not all reliable so pushing them makes no sense. You want another surge? You want someone to get really sick? What is wrong with you that you cannot handle basic precautions?

We had all of those positives with two way masking. By your logic, two way masking doesn’t work either.

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Anonymous wrote:No more testing, no cases. We just got out of a huge surge right after the last mask lifting.

I'm not really sure what you mean. You don't actually think the surge was due to people not wear some Old Navy fabric across their nose and mouth, right?

The surge was a new variant thanks to those traveling who relied on the vaccine as a cure and it wasn’t. The surge was due to selfish people not staying home and stressing it. It will happen again.

Why do you keep letting the unvaccinated off the hook? But I am glad you are recognizing that it had nothing to do with mask wearing -- so let's drop them, eh?

Vaccines help with symptoms but are not stopping the spread of new variants. MOCO is highly vaccinated and just had a huge surge so clearly these vaccines alone are not enough to stop surges. When students get Covid they miss out on school. The idea of masking and precautions is to stop the spread to keep students in school, which should be everyone,’s goal. It’s sad we live in a me culture and not a we culture. Everyone hates masks but we mask to keep ourselves safe and to keep others safe. It’s part of living in a community.

Look at the data in cities and countries that split out cases by vaccination status. Vaccination still reduces spread. Stop spreading misinformation because you want everyone to stay home in 2022. Our goal is not zero cases. Stop it. Enough.

You may be ok getting Covid but others of us are not ok getting it from you. We just had a huge surge and many of those students and staff were vaccinated. Enough is enough with people like you spreading it and not caring about anyone but yourself. If masking is so hard, stay home.

Can you please say what will be enough for you? Does it have to be the literal eradication of COVID from the world? I would be happy to have a discussion with anyone about when the appropriate time for this is (I did not think it was in January during the surge, but would be ok now) but when people just dig in and say they want to be “safe” and “not get COVID” you just sound resigned to wearing a mask for the rest of your life because life is not 100 percent safe and COVID is not going away. Which is fine if you want to but I do not want that for myself or my children.

It doesn't matter what response I give you, you will always rationalize why your beliefs are more important. No one likes wearing masks. Masking is something simple we can do to help keep our community safe. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Its not just about you. Part of your responsibility as a parent is to teach your children who to live in a densely populated community and show empathy and concern to others. One day it may be your or your child who needs empathy and support.

Our schools are very large, there is no social distancing and it just takes one selfish parent to send their child to school sick or an asymptomatic situation to cause a school outbreak which impacts many families, not just yours.

I am a scientist and I deal with facts and numbers. I also think policies should be set based on facts and measurables not your individual feelings about safety. I feel frustrated with people who continually post the same things about anyone who disagrees with them being bad and theoretical feelings about safety and empathy. I that is not a productive conversation, it’s moral posturing.

We don't have facts or numbers. MCPS, the State of Maryland, MoCo and the Fed's haven't been transparent. And, now they are giving out home tests so people aren't reporting positives so we have even less facts and numbers than before. Plus, the home test aren't always accurate. Its hard to have a productive conversation with all the cover ups and lack of information by the government. The fact is we know MoCo is highly vaccinated and we still had a terrible surge in our schools a month ago. Thankfully it was short lived but it ramped up quickly and can happen again.

This is a serious question, what cover ups do you think have happened? Some one is suppressing case counts? That’s a new one for me.

Obviously case rate data is imperfect since many people are asymptomatic and/or test at home. There are multiple models to account for these known sources of error, some of which are better than others in terms of thoroughness. But in height think trends hold up fairly well. As do hospitalization rates and measures of hospital capacity, both of which I would argue are far more important than a perfect case count. I’d be happy with a metric based on hospitalization rates or hospital capacity for that matter. But the idea we can’t even talk about getting masks off our kids with our name calling (despite under 6s never masking in most of the world and under 12s never masking in many countries with very little differences in outcomes) is …well it’s not encouraging.

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Anonymous wrote:No more testing, no cases. We just got out of a huge surge right after the last mask lifting.

I'm not really sure what you mean. You don't actually think the surge was due to people not wear some Old Navy fabric across their nose and mouth, right?

The surge was a new variant thanks to those traveling who relied on the vaccine as a cure and it wasn’t. The surge was due to selfish people not staying home and stressing it. It will happen again.

Why do you keep letting the unvaccinated off the hook? But I am glad you are recognizing that it had nothing to do with mask wearing -- so let's drop them, eh?

Vaccines help with symptoms but are not stopping the spread of new variants. MOCO is highly vaccinated and just had a huge surge so clearly these vaccines alone are not enough to stop surges. When students get Covid they miss out on school. The idea of masking and precautions is to stop the spread to keep students in school, which should be everyone,’s goal. It’s sad we live in a me culture and not a we culture. Everyone hates masks but we mask to keep ourselves safe and to keep others safe. It’s part of living in a community.

Look at the data in cities and countries that split out cases by vaccination status. Vaccination still reduces spread. Stop spreading misinformation because you want everyone to stay home in 2022. Our goal is not zero cases. Stop it. Enough.

You may be ok getting Covid but others of us are not ok getting it from you. We just had a huge surge and many of those students and staff were vaccinated. Enough is enough with people like you spreading it and not caring about anyone but yourself. If masking is so hard, stay home.

Can you please say what will be enough for you? Does it have to be the literal eradication of COVID from the world? I would be happy to have a discussion with anyone about when the appropriate time for this is (I did not think it was in January during the surge, but would be ok now) but when people just dig in and say they want to be “safe” and “not get COVID” you just sound resigned to wearing a mask for the rest of your life because life is not 100 percent safe and COVID is not going away. Which is fine if you want to but I do not want that for myself or my children.

It doesn't matter what response I give you, you will always rationalize why your beliefs are more important. No one likes wearing masks. Masking is something simple we can do to help keep our community safe. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Its not just about you. Part of your responsibility as a parent is to teach your children who to live in a densely populated community and show empathy and concern to others. One day it may be your or your child who needs empathy and support.

Our schools are very large, there is no social distancing and it just takes one selfish parent to send their child to school sick or an asymptomatic situation to cause a school outbreak which impacts many families, not just yours.

I am a scientist and I deal with facts and numbers. I also think policies should be set based on facts and measurables not your individual feelings about safety. I feel frustrated with people who continually post the same things about anyone who disagrees with them being bad and theoretical feelings about safety and empathy. I that is not a productive conversation, it’s moral posturing.

We don't have facts or numbers. MCPS, the State of Maryland, MoCo and the Fed's haven't been transparent. And, now they are giving out home tests so people aren't reporting positives so we have even less facts and numbers than before. Plus, the home test aren't always accurate. Its hard to have a productive conversation with all the cover ups and lack of information by the government. The fact is we know MoCo is highly vaccinated and we still had a terrible surge in our schools a month ago. Thankfully it was short lived but it ramped up quickly and can happen again.

This is a serious question, what cover ups do you think have happened? Some one is suppressing case counts? That’s a new one for me.

Obviously case rate data is imperfect since many people are asymptomatic and/or test at home. There are multiple models to account for these known sources of error, some of which are better than others in terms of thoroughness. But in height think trends hold up fairly well. As do hospitalization rates and measures of hospital capacity, both of which I would argue are far more important than a perfect case count. I’d be happy with a metric based on hospitalization rates or hospital capacity for that matter. But the idea we can’t even talk about getting masks off our kids with our name calling (despite under 6s never masking in most of the world and under 12s never masking in many countries with very little differences in outcomes) is …well it’s not encouraging.

We are not talking hospitalizations we are talking transmission. I don’t care about hospitalizations, I care transmissions and positives. I care your family doesn’t care and will give it to my family.

Do you not get that it can be a big deal for other families and their lives don’t just revolve around your wants and entitlement.

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One way masking clearly doesn't work or we wouldn't have all the positives. KN95 are not all reliable so pushing them makes no sense. You want another surge? You want someone to get really sick? What is wrong with you that you cannot handle basic precautions?

So your argument against going mask optional and in favor of continued masking in schools, is that KN95s do not provide reliable protection? Interesting.

I support masking. My kids will mask. Let your kids get it. I’m fine with your kids getting it, just not mine.

This is exactly the way it should be. Thank you. I'll let my kids "get it," (except they already had it, so there's that lol).

It’s not funny your kids got Covid. What kind of parent are you?

[Anonymous]

MoCo indoor mask mandate is to expire on 2/21 and will not be renewed. For those who believe that the decision re masking should be in the hands of the local health department, here’s your answer. They say no more masks.

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Lots of schools across the country don’t mask. Surely there’s research somewhere about whether it does any good?

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Anonymous wrote:No more testing, no cases. We just got out of a huge surge right after the last mask lifting.

I'm not really sure what you mean. You don't actually think the surge was due to people not wear some Old Navy fabric across their nose and mouth, right?

The surge was a new variant thanks to those traveling who relied on the vaccine as a cure and it wasn’t. The surge was due to selfish people not staying home and stressing it. It will happen again.

Why do you keep letting the unvaccinated off the hook? But I am glad you are recognizing that it had nothing to do with mask wearing -- so let's drop them, eh?

Vaccines help with symptoms but are not stopping the spread of new variants. MOCO is highly vaccinated and just had a huge surge so clearly these vaccines alone are not enough to stop surges. When students get Covid they miss out on school. The idea of masking and precautions is to stop the spread to keep students in school, which should be everyone,’s goal. It’s sad we live in a me culture and not a we culture. Everyone hates masks but we mask to keep ourselves safe and to keep others safe. It’s part of living in a community.

Look at the data in cities and countries that split out cases by vaccination status. Vaccination still reduces spread. Stop spreading misinformation because you want everyone to stay home in 2022. Our goal is not zero cases. Stop it. Enough.

You may be ok getting Covid but others of us are not ok getting it from you. We just had a huge surge and many of those students and staff were vaccinated. Enough is enough with people like you spreading it and not caring about anyone but yourself. If masking is so hard, stay home.

Can you please say what will be enough for you? Does it have to be the literal eradication of COVID from the world? I would be happy to have a discussion with anyone about when the appropriate time for this is (I did not think it was in January during the surge, but would be ok now) but when people just dig in and say they want to be “safe” and “not get COVID” you just sound resigned to wearing a mask for the rest of your life because life is not 100 percent safe and COVID is not going away. Which is fine if you want to but I do not want that for myself or my children.

It doesn't matter what response I give you, you will always rationalize why your beliefs are more important. No one likes wearing masks. Masking is something simple we can do to help keep our community safe. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Its not just about you. Part of your responsibility as a parent is to teach your children who to live in a densely populated community and show empathy and concern to others. One day it may be your or your child who needs empathy and support.

Our schools are very large, there is no social distancing and it just takes one selfish parent to send their child to school sick or an asymptomatic situation to cause a school outbreak which impacts many families, not just yours.

I am a scientist and I deal with facts and numbers. I also think policies should be set based on facts and measurables not your individual feelings about safety. I feel frustrated with people who continually post the same things about anyone who disagrees with them being bad and theoretical feelings about safety and empathy. I that is not a productive conversation, it’s moral posturing.

We don't have facts or numbers. MCPS, the State of Maryland, MoCo and the Fed's haven't been transparent. And, now they are giving out home tests so people aren't reporting positives so we have even less facts and numbers than before. Plus, the home test aren't always accurate. Its hard to have a productive conversation with all the cover ups and lack of information by the government. The fact is we know MoCo is highly vaccinated and we still had a terrible surge in our schools a month ago. Thankfully it was short lived but it ramped up quickly and can happen again.

This is a serious question, what cover ups do you think have happened? Some one is suppressing case counts? That’s a new one for me.

Obviously case rate data is imperfect since many people are asymptomatic and/or test at home. There are multiple models to account for these known sources of error, some of which are better than others in terms of thoroughness. But in height think trends hold up fairly well. As do hospitalization rates and measures of hospital capacity, both of which I would argue are far more important than a perfect case count. I’d be happy with a metric based on hospitalization rates or hospital capacity for that matter. But the idea we can’t even talk about getting masks off our kids with our name calling (despite under 6s never masking in most of the world and under 12s never masking in many countries with very little differences in outcomes) is …well it’s not encouraging.

We are not talking hospitalizations we are talking transmission. I don’t care about hospitalizations, I care transmissions and positives. I care your family doesn’t care and will give it to my family.

Do you not get that it can be a big deal for other families and their lives don’t just revolve around your wants and entitlement.

My family does care and we are all fully vaccinated and have cheerfully worn our masks for nearly two years now to protect those at risk before they were protected by vaccination. But we can still ask reasonable questions about the purpose and duration of these restrictions. I am concerned that people who are vaguely concerned with the concept of transmission, unlinked to the actual severity of disease, who are unwilling to discuss any metrics that could be acceptable because of “cover ups” are essentially expecting our children to wear masks for another two years or more. That it will never be the right time and the cases will never be low “enough” and they can just insult people for suggesting otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of schools across the country don’t mask. Surely there’s research somewhere about whether it does any good?

The CDC is too busy reformatting all the papers submitted to them to A. publish research and/or B. act on it

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One way masking clearly doesn't work or we wouldn't have all the positives. KN95 are not all reliable so pushing them makes no sense. You want another surge? You want someone to get really sick? What is wrong with you that you cannot handle basic precautions?

So your argument against going mask optional and in favor of continued masking in schools, is that KN95s do not provide reliable protection? Interesting.

I support masking. My kids will mask. Let your kids get it. I’m fine with your kids getting it, just not mine.

Agreed! Double mask your kids, too. Outside, in your home. Alone on your front porch. In the car with you. We are fine with you passing on your inability to intelligently assess risk to your kids. Just not ours. Thanks.