ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

Just that they put together specific grade teams for a few exhibition games on a weekend. No biggy.

Right. Kids are used to it. ID camps they have to play with folks they don't even know, most of the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

It means that anyone in X grade can play on Y team. As an example any Junior can play on a Junior team. This sounds fair on the surface but what happens in GY environments is parents hold their kids back typically in 8th grade one or two years so they can be the oldest and biggest on the team.

SY is bound by 8/1-7/31 you cant be any older however you can be younger.

The GY guy just wants to play his kid that he held back in school on club soccer teams so they can be the biggest and oldest.

Ironically club soccer GA/ECNL already groups u18/u19 (juniors and seniors) together so they already play GY.

So what happens if an August player is a junior and playing in a team of sophomores? They will switch teams just for the showcase to go okay with juniors?

What you're describing is called dual rostering. This is how clubs will roster players whos parents want them to play down but they kid wants to play on a team thats their grade. A season of slowly playing more and more the the correct grade in school team and parents will be ok rostering "up" on the correct grade in school team.

No matter what parents say kids dont want to be the only kid a grade older on a team with kids a grade younger.

With showcases going graduation year it isn't dual rostering. It's just putting together teams for a tournament, a showcase.

As the college coaches note above, no need to play up or any any special age group for the regular season. Just reach out to the right colleges to get on their radar and become the best player you can and get the good HS grades. Most teams will have 3-4 kids off grades compared to the rest of the team and once you become teammates school grades aren't necessary known or discussed between the kids.

Dishonest and making things to.

u18/u19 grouping is already GY.

[Anonymous]

This club -- Sporting Blue Valley which offers MLSN and ECNL in Kansas -- doesn't seem to want to deal with grade at all ... From page 15 of their presentation:

"School Grade is Irrelevant: It is much easier to consider the new age-group
placement as relative to the August 1st cutoff and is not tied to their school grade
level (whether they have been held back or are ahead)."

Page 19

"Can players play up a grade level?
SURVEY - Playing Up
SBV will retain the same policy we’ve always had: A player may play up an age
group only if they make the top team in that older division.
❖ Exceptions: Exceptions are rare and reserved for specific Goalkeeper situations
or to combine two small player pools to form a viable team.
Why we aren't delaying the changes:
❖ We have chosen to "rip the Band-Aid off" rather than kick the can down the road.
❖ While we could artificially keep current teams together by moving everyone to
an older age group, we would eventually be forced to fix it.
❖ We believe it is better to realign correctly now. This avoids years of confusion
and temporary fixes, ensuring every player is on the correct long-term
development path immediately"

https://storage.googleapis.com/msgsndr/YNEbnN6f4t8L8P45OAD6/media/6945b18a173966b1e3b3b9c2.pdf

[Anonymous]

It's interesting that Sporting Blue Valley want nothing to do with grade year.

While I expect most clubs to adhere by default to the new age cutoffs, I would expect a bit of flexibility for grade misalignment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that Sporting Blue Valley want nothing to do with grade year.

While I expect most clubs to adhere by default to the new age cutoffs, I would expect a bit of flexibility for grade misalignment.

There's another slide that illustrates how grade can go sideways which underscores their thinking. They have a July Bday in 3rd grade in older group (U9). An Aug. bday in 3rd grade in the younger group (U8) and a Sept bday in 4th grade in the younger group (U8). It just illustrates how messed up it can be if you were to have the Sept (the youngest of the 3) in the older group based on grade and why keeping grade out of it makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

It means that anyone in X grade can play on Y team. As an example any Junior can play on a Junior team. This sounds fair on the surface but what happens in GY environments is parents hold their kids back typically in 8th grade one or two years so they can be the oldest and biggest on the team.

SY is bound by 8/1-7/31 you cant be any older however you can be younger.

The GY guy just wants to play his kid that he held back in school on club soccer teams so they can be the biggest and oldest.

Ironically club soccer GA/ECNL already groups u18/u19 (juniors and seniors) together so they already play GY.

So what happens if an August player is a junior and playing in a team of sophomores? They will switch teams just for the showcase to go okay with juniors?

What you're describing is called dual rostering. This is how clubs will roster players whos parents want them to play down but they kid wants to play on a team thats their grade. A season of slowly playing more and more the the correct grade in school team and parents will be ok rostering "up" on the correct grade in school team.

No matter what parents say kids dont want to be the only kid a grade older on a team with kids a grade younger.

With showcases going graduation year it isn't dual rostering. It's just putting together teams for a tournament, a showcase.

As the college coaches note above, no need to play up or any any special age group for the regular season. Just reach out to the right colleges to get on their radar and become the best player you can and get the good HS grades. Most teams will have 3-4 kids off grades compared to the rest of the team and once you become teammates school grades aren't necessary known or discussed between the kids.

Dishonest and making things to.

u18/u19 grouping is already GY.

if you are on here for u18/u19 your time is over. Why even be in the convo? If your kid hasnt been picked up by now its time to just go to college, get a good education and welcome to the real world

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

It means that anyone in X grade can play on Y team. As an example any Junior can play on a Junior team. This sounds fair on the surface but what happens in GY environments is parents hold their kids back typically in 8th grade one or two years so they can be the oldest and biggest on the team.

SY is bound by 8/1-7/31 you cant be any older however you can be younger.

The GY guy just wants to play his kid that he held back in school on club soccer teams so they can be the biggest and oldest.

Ironically club soccer GA/ECNL already groups u18/u19 (juniors and seniors) together so they already play GY.

So what happens if an August player is a junior and playing in a team of sophomores? They will switch teams just for the showcase to go okay with juniors?

What you're describing is called dual rostering. This is how clubs will roster players whos parents want them to play down but they kid wants to play on a team thats their grade. A season of slowly playing more and more the the correct grade in school team and parents will be ok rostering "up" on the correct grade in school team.

No matter what parents say kids dont want to be the only kid a grade older on a team with kids a grade younger.

With showcases going graduation year it isn't dual rostering. It's just putting together teams for a tournament, a showcase.

As the college coaches note above, no need to play up or any any special age group for the regular season. Just reach out to the right colleges to get on their radar and become the best player you can and get the good HS grades. Most teams will have 3-4 kids off grades compared to the rest of the team and once you become teammates school grades aren't necessary known or discussed between the kids.

Dishonest and making things to.

u18/u19 grouping is already GY.

if you are on here for u18/u19 your time is over. Why even be in the convo? If your kid hasnt been picked up by now its time to just go to college, get a good education and welcome to the real world

Because of late developers. Because our pay-to-play system misses a lot of talent who can't afford it. ... I could go on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

It means that anyone in X grade can play on Y team. As an example any Junior can play on a Junior team. This sounds fair on the surface but what happens in GY environments is parents hold their kids back typically in 8th grade one or two years so they can be the oldest and biggest on the team.

SY is bound by 8/1-7/31 you cant be any older however you can be younger.

The GY guy just wants to play his kid that he held back in school on club soccer teams so they can be the biggest and oldest.

Ironically club soccer GA/ECNL already groups u18/u19 (juniors and seniors) together so they already play GY.

So what happens if an August player is a junior and playing in a team of sophomores? They will switch teams just for the showcase to go okay with juniors?

What you're describing is called dual rostering. This is how clubs will roster players whos parents want them to play down but they kid wants to play on a team thats their grade. A season of slowly playing more and more the the correct grade in school team and parents will be ok rostering "up" on the correct grade in school team.

No matter what parents say kids dont want to be the only kid a grade older on a team with kids a grade younger.

With showcases going graduation year it isn't dual rostering. It's just putting together teams for a tournament, a showcase.

As the college coaches note above, no need to play up or any any special age group for the regular season. Just reach out to the right colleges to get on their radar and become the best player you can and get the good HS grades. Most teams will have 3-4 kids off grades compared to the rest of the team and once you become teammates school grades aren't necessary known or discussed between the kids.

Dishonest and making things to.

u18/u19 grouping is already GY.

How is U18/19 Jan 1, 2007 to Dec. 31, 2008 GY at all? And switching a few months to SY doesn't make it GY for next year either.

Word on the street and from USYS is that showcases will have separate grouping for each graduation year next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

It means that anyone in X grade can play on Y team. As an example any Junior can play on a Junior team. This sounds fair on the surface but what happens in GY environments is parents hold their kids back typically in 8th grade one or two years so they can be the oldest and biggest on the team.

SY is bound by 8/1-7/31 you cant be any older however you can be younger.

The GY guy just wants to play his kid that he held back in school on club soccer teams so they can be the biggest and oldest.

Ironically club soccer GA/ECNL already groups u18/u19 (juniors and seniors) together so they already play GY.

So what happens if an August player is a junior and playing in a team of sophomores? They will switch teams just for the showcase to go okay with juniors?

What you're describing is called dual rostering. This is how clubs will roster players whos parents want them to play down but they kid wants to play on a team thats their grade. A season of slowly playing more and more the the correct grade in school team and parents will be ok rostering "up" on the correct grade in school team.

No matter what parents say kids dont want to be the only kid a grade older on a team with kids a grade younger.

With showcases going graduation year it isn't dual rostering. It's just putting together teams for a tournament, a showcase.

As the college coaches note above, no need to play up or any any special age group for the regular season. Just reach out to the right colleges to get on their radar and become the best player you can and get the good HS grades. Most teams will have 3-4 kids off grades compared to the rest of the team and once you become teammates school grades aren't necessary known or discussed between the kids.

Dishonest and making things to.

u18/u19 grouping is already GY.

if you are on here for u18/u19 your time is over. Why even be in the convo? If your kid hasnt been picked up by now its time to just go to college, get a good education and welcome to the real world

Because of late developers. Because our pay-to-play system misses a lot of talent who can't afford it. ... I could go on.

Like what was said....you ARE TOO LATE to be in the CONVO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

Would someone share links to announcements regarding showcases “going graduation year?” I searched google and only see Grade Year or School Year both of which reference 8/1-7/31 cut-offs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

Would someone share links to announcements regarding showcases “going graduation year?” I searched google and only see Grade Year or School Year both of which reference 8/1-7/31 cut-offs.

Its almost like someone is lieing to you.

Kind of like when they're trying to bend reality saying that clubs wont play Aug with their grade in school.

The unfortunate thing is the age troll posts over 100x a day trying to push their playing down agenda.

Literally go anywhere else where you cant post over and over anonymously and you'll see that most people dont recommend playing down with a younger grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

Would someone share links to announcements regarding showcases “going graduation year?” I searched google and only see Grade Year or School Year both of which reference 8/1-7/31 cut-offs.

Its almost like someone is lieing to you.

Kind of like when they're trying to bend reality saying that clubs wont play Aug with their grade in school.

The unfortunate thing is the age troll posts over 100x a day trying to push their playing down agenda.

Literally go anywhere else where you cant post over and over anonymously and you'll see that most people dont recommend playing down with a younger grade.

This is so modern politics of you - the Deranged August Guy. In fact you are the lunatic spamming threads about the topic. Now, you turn it around and claim your adversaries are the trolls.

I can no longer imagine this is real, but rather an academic or other effort to test communication and reactions of communities with vested interests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

Would someone share links to announcements regarding showcases “going graduation year?” I searched google and only see Grade Year or School Year both of which reference 8/1-7/31 cut-offs.

Its almost like someone is lieing to you.

Kind of like when they're trying to bend reality saying that clubs wont play Aug with their grade in school.

The unfortunate thing is the age troll posts over 100x a day trying to push their playing down agenda.

Literally go anywhere else where you cant post over and over anonymously and you'll see that most people dont recommend playing down with a younger grade.

You post the most on this thread by far and are projecting here. You're currently trying to push down how Sporting -- a top club in Kansas -- is completely not using grade at all and their rationale for doing so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

Would someone share links to announcements regarding showcases “going graduation year?” I searched google and only see Grade Year or School Year both of which reference 8/1-7/31 cut-offs.

Its almost like someone is lieing to you.

Kind of like when they're trying to bend reality saying that clubs wont play Aug with their grade in school.

The unfortunate thing is the age troll posts over 100x a day trying to push their playing down agenda.

Literally go anywhere else where you cant post over and over anonymously and you'll see that most people dont recommend playing down with a younger grade.

Listen to you. You had to create a term, playing down, that no one knows what it means to push your hateful agenda to force club soccer to grade year. Leagues and teams picked 8/1 to 7/31. Everyone gets an age bracket based on birthdays where they are more than welcome to play, insinuating they can't or should be shamed is a pathetic boomer thing. Only actual playing down allowed is late developers in MLSN1.

Best for kids to avoid being over 12 months younger than some in their age bracket, aka playing up is a big risk. Highly increases chances of injuries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

Would someone share links to announcements regarding showcases “going graduation year?” I searched google and only see Grade Year or School Year both of which reference 8/1-7/31 cut-offs.

Its almost like someone is lieing to you.

Kind of like when they're trying to bend reality saying that clubs wont play Aug with their grade in school.

The unfortunate thing is the age troll posts over 100x a day trying to push their playing down agenda.

Literally go anywhere else where you cant post over and over anonymously and you'll see that most people dont recommend playing down with a younger grade.

This is so modern politics of you - the Deranged August Guy. In fact you are the lunatic spamming threads about the topic. Now, you turn it around and claim your adversaries are the trolls.

I can no longer imagine this is real, but rather an academic or other effort to test communication and reactions of communities with vested interests.

I am also convinced that Mr Aug hater is running some type of graduate school socialogy project to troll a forum to gauge reactions because actually expecting to use an anonymous regional forum to create a rule for youth sports seems to stupid to even try.