ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.clevelandforcesc.com/transition-to-grade-year

The Exception: Delayed School Entry (Redshirting)
While the August 1st cutoff aligns with most school systems, issues can still arise in two main scenarios:

Varying School Cutoffs: States and counties across the country have widely different school year cutoffs (e.g., some use September 1st, others August 1st, etc.). No single soccer cutoff date can eliminate every single conflict with every school district.
Parental Decision (Redshirting): If a parent chooses to hold a child back a year (for academic, social, or maturity reasons, often called "redshirting"), that player will be chronologically older than the majority of their actual classmates.
Since the Force Soccer Club matrix is based on the Academic Grade Year a player is enrolled in, this player would be placed with their classmates.
The potential "trap" here is less about separation from the team, but rather an issue of eligibility in high school sports, where age rules are very strict (often barring participation if a student turns 19 before August 1st of the school year, depending on the state athletic association).

So we are going grad year?

[Anonymous]

Late boomer but good players can go back to their correct grade team after puberty,
U17 team

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems one person is arguing that it will be case by case and you won't be forced to play up on grade, nor should you have to for long term plans.

And it seems like the other person is saying if you don't play up on grade you will be left behind and clubs will have an unspoken rule of not selecting you on top teams.

I feel like the first stance is more reasonable. How can a player currently playing on grade, move to a younger pool, and not be selected to the top team, without it being an obvious scandal?

Top teams at top clubs have a large pool of players to choose from. Because of this they wont roster Aug play downs because they dont want the hassle and dont need to deal with all the issues related to playing down. On top of everything else playing down (being misaligned) severly limits players ability to get recruited. Committments are free media for clubs that can be used to recruit new players for an entire year. They want them to make more money and field better teams.

Clubs don't recognize what you are saying as playing down as playing down, tracking grade is actually a bridge too far for them. And college coaches want the best players, players that were much more likely the oldest in their age group than the youngest. They told clubs and on Facebook, they don't care what age group you are in. College recruiting is about finding colleges that you have a chance to play for and contactingnthem direct ly, not some sit back and expect colleges to fight over you situation.

College coaches look at players by Graduation Year. I labeled this playing down or playing up. Its the same thing.

All college coaches care about is the year players will graduate. This is he pool of talent they are sorting through. This is also why being misaligned and playing down is so bad. It doesnt matter how you play you're being compared with players that are your grade in school / graduation year.

LOL
You think college recruiters are wading through thousands of players to review just because of graduating year?

They have a shortlist and then they'll see when you'll be available

The two college assistants that were at our club's parents meeting to discuss these changes for the HS age kids were clear. They don't care what grade or team players are on for league play. However, they were extremely clear that being misaligned (an August birthday Junior playing on a team of mostly Sophmores for example) will have a much, MUCH harder time getting noticed at showcases. Their reasoning was simply time management. Potentially having to go to a different site for a single player usually isn't goung to happen.

They were also clear that, for their schools (so YMMV for others programs) 90% of their recruitment happens via players contracting them and the ID camps they hold.

More college coaches saying age groups and teams they play on doesn't matter. And with showcases going graduation year or at the least teams can put together graduation year teams, definitely a solid strategy to play on age for the regular seasons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems one person is arguing that it will be case by case and you won't be forced to play up on grade, nor should you have to for long term plans.

And it seems like the other person is saying if you don't play up on grade you will be left behind and clubs will have an unspoken rule of not selecting you on top teams.

I feel like the first stance is more reasonable. How can a player currently playing on grade, move to a younger pool, and not be selected to the top team, without it being an obvious scandal?

Top teams at top clubs have a large pool of players to choose from. Because of this they wont roster Aug play downs because they dont want the hassle and dont need to deal with all the issues related to playing down. On top of everything else playing down (being misaligned) severly limits players ability to get recruited. Committments are free media for clubs that can be used to recruit new players for an entire year. They want them to make more money and field better teams.

Clubs don't recognize what you are saying as playing down as playing down, tracking grade is actually a bridge too far for them. And college coaches want the best players, players that were much more likely the oldest in their age group than the youngest. They told clubs and on Facebook, they don't care what age group you are in. College recruiting is about finding colleges that you have a chance to play for and contactingnthem direct ly, not some sit back and expect colleges to fight over you situation.

College coaches look at players by Graduation Year. I labeled this playing down or playing up. Its the same thing.

All college coaches care about is the year players will graduate. This is he pool of talent they are sorting through. This is also why being misaligned and playing down is so bad. It doesnt matter how you play you're being compared with players that are your grade in school / graduation year.

LOL
You think college recruiters are wading through thousands of players to review just because of graduating year?

They have a shortlist and then they'll see when you'll be available

The two college assistants that were at our club's parents meeting to discuss these changes for the HS age kids were clear. They don't care what grade or team players are on for league play. However, they were extremely clear that being misaligned (an August birthday Junior playing on a team of mostly Sophmores for example) will have a much, MUCH harder time getting noticed at showcases. Their reasoning was simply time management. Potentially having to go to a different site for a single player usually isn't goung to happen.

They were also clear that, for their schools (so YMMV for others programs) 90% of their recruitment happens via players contracting them and the ID camps they hold.

More college coaches saying age groups and teams they play on doesn't matter. And with showcases going graduation year or at the least teams can put together graduation year teams, definitely a solid strategy to play on age for the regular seasons.

Not true no matter how may times you wishcast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems one person is arguing that it will be case by case and you won't be forced to play up on grade, nor should you have to for long term plans.

And it seems like the other person is saying if you don't play up on grade you will be left behind and clubs will have an unspoken rule of not selecting you on top teams.

I feel like the first stance is more reasonable. How can a player currently playing on grade, move to a younger pool, and not be selected to the top team, without it being an obvious scandal?

Top teams at top clubs have a large pool of players to choose from. Because of this they wont roster Aug play downs because they dont want the hassle and dont need to deal with all the issues related to playing down. On top of everything else playing down (being misaligned) severly limits players ability to get recruited. Committments are free media for clubs that can be used to recruit new players for an entire year. They want them to make more money and field better teams.

Clubs don't recognize what you are saying as playing down as playing down, tracking grade is actually a bridge too far for them. And college coaches want the best players, players that were much more likely the oldest in their age group than the youngest. They told clubs and on Facebook, they don't care what age group you are in. College recruiting is about finding colleges that you have a chance to play for and contactingnthem direct ly, not some sit back and expect colleges to fight over you situation.

College coaches look at players by Graduation Year. I labeled this playing down or playing up. Its the same thing.

All college coaches care about is the year players will graduate. This is he pool of talent they are sorting through. This is also why being misaligned and playing down is so bad. It doesnt matter how you play you're being compared with players that are your grade in school / graduation year.

LOL
You think college recruiters are wading through thousands of players to review just because of graduating year?

They have a shortlist and then they'll see when you'll be available

The two college assistants that were at our club's parents meeting to discuss these changes for the HS age kids were clear. They don't care what grade or team players are on for league play. However, they were extremely clear that being misaligned (an August birthday Junior playing on a team of mostly Sophmores for example) will have a much, MUCH harder time getting noticed at showcases. Their reasoning was simply time management. Potentially having to go to a different site for a single player usually isn't goung to happen.

They were also clear that, for their schools (so YMMV for others programs) 90% of their recruitment happens via players contracting them and the ID camps they hold.

When all else fails, just lie blatantly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems one person is arguing that it will be case by case and you won't be forced to play up on grade, nor should you have to for long term plans.

And it seems like the other person is saying if you don't play up on grade you will be left behind and clubs will have an unspoken rule of not selecting you on top teams.

I feel like the first stance is more reasonable. How can a player currently playing on grade, move to a younger pool, and not be selected to the top team, without it being an obvious scandal?

Top teams at top clubs have a large pool of players to choose from. Because of this they wont roster Aug play downs because they dont want the hassle and dont need to deal with all the issues related to playing down. On top of everything else playing down (being misaligned) severly limits players ability to get recruited. Committments are free media for clubs that can be used to recruit new players for an entire year. They want them to make more money and field better teams.

Clubs don't recognize what you are saying as playing down as playing down, tracking grade is actually a bridge too far for them. And college coaches want the best players, players that were much more likely the oldest in their age group than the youngest. They told clubs and on Facebook, they don't care what age group you are in. College recruiting is about finding colleges that you have a chance to play for and contactingnthem direct ly, not some sit back and expect colleges to fight over you situation.

College coaches look at players by Graduation Year. I labeled this playing down or playing up. Its the same thing.

All college coaches care about is the year players will graduate. This is he pool of talent they are sorting through. This is also why being misaligned and playing down is so bad. It doesnt matter how you play you're being compared with players that are your grade in school / graduation year.

LOL
You think college recruiters are wading through thousands of players to review just because of graduating year?

They have a shortlist and then they'll see when you'll be available

The two college assistants that were at our club's parents meeting to discuss these changes for the HS age kids were clear. They don't care what grade or team players are on for league play. However, they were extremely clear that being misaligned (an August birthday Junior playing on a team of mostly Sophmores for example) will have a much, MUCH harder time getting noticed at showcases. Their reasoning was simply time management. Potentially having to go to a different site for a single player usually isn't goung to happen.

They were also clear that, for their schools (so YMMV for others programs) 90% of their recruitment happens via players contracting them and the ID camps they hold.

When all else fails, just lie blatantly

Now you're encouraging people to lie?

[Anonymous]

When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

It means that anyone in X grade can play on Y team. As an example any Junior can play on a Junior team. This sounds fair on the surface but what happens in GY environments is parents hold their kids back typically in 8th grade one or two years so they can be the oldest and biggest on the team.

SY is bound by 8/1-7/31 you cant be any older however you can be younger.

The GY guy just wants to play his kid that he held back in school on club soccer teams so they can be the biggest and oldest.

Ironically club soccer GA/ECNL already groups u18/u19 (juniors and seniors) together so they already play GY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Late boomer but good players can go back to their correct grade team after puberty,
U17 team

Maybe, I'm sure thats the hope of August birthday players that choose to play down. Will they be able to get onto a grade correct team to get recruited when they're older? Maybe, maybe not. Its definitely not going to be a top teams /clubs that college coaches fawn over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

It means that anyone in X grade can play on Y team. As an example any Junior can play on a Junior team. This sounds fair on the surface but what happens in GY environments is parents hold their kids back typically in 8th grade one or two years so they can be the oldest and biggest on the team.

SY is bound by 8/1-7/31 you cant be any older however you can be younger.

The GY guy just wants to play his kid that he held back in school on club soccer teams so they can be the biggest and oldest.

Ironically club soccer GA/ECNL already groups u18/u19 (juniors and seniors) together so they already play GY.

So what happens if an August player is a junior and playing in a team of sophomores? They will switch teams just for the showcase to go okay with juniors?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

It means that anyone in X grade can play on Y team. As an example any Junior can play on a Junior team. This sounds fair on the surface but what happens in GY environments is parents hold their kids back typically in 8th grade one or two years so they can be the oldest and biggest on the team.

SY is bound by 8/1-7/31 you cant be any older however you can be younger.

The GY guy just wants to play his kid that he held back in school on club soccer teams so they can be the biggest and oldest.

Ironically club soccer GA/ECNL already groups u18/u19 (juniors and seniors) together so they already play GY.

So what happens if an August player is a junior and playing in a team of sophomores? They will switch teams just for the showcase to go okay with juniors?

What you're describing is called dual rostering. This is how clubs will roster players whos parents want them to play down but they kid wants to play on a team thats their grade. A season of slowly playing more and more the the correct grade in school team and parents will be ok rostering "up" on the correct grade in school team.

No matter what parents say kids dont want to be the only kid a grade older on a team with kids a grade younger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

It means that anyone in X grade can play on Y team. As an example any Junior can play on a Junior team. This sounds fair on the surface but what happens in GY environments is parents hold their kids back typically in 8th grade one or two years so they can be the oldest and biggest on the team.

SY is bound by 8/1-7/31 you cant be any older however you can be younger.

The GY guy just wants to play his kid that he held back in school on club soccer teams so they can be the biggest and oldest.

Ironically club soccer GA/ECNL already groups u18/u19 (juniors and seniors) together so they already play GY.

So what happens if an August player is a junior and playing in a team of sophomores? They will switch teams just for the showcase to go okay with juniors?

To answer your question more directly once players get to HS you cant realistically dual roster. This is because it will be difficult to maintain communications with college coaches if your kid is playing on two teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

It means that anyone in X grade can play on Y team. As an example any Junior can play on a Junior team. This sounds fair on the surface but what happens in GY environments is parents hold their kids back typically in 8th grade one or two years so they can be the oldest and biggest on the team.

SY is bound by 8/1-7/31 you cant be any older however you can be younger.

The GY guy just wants to play his kid that he held back in school on club soccer teams so they can be the biggest and oldest.

Ironically club soccer GA/ECNL already groups u18/u19 (juniors and seniors) together so they already play GY.

So what happens if an August player is a junior and playing in a team of sophomores? They will switch teams just for the showcase to go okay with juniors?

What you're describing is called dual rostering. This is how clubs will roster players whos parents want them to play down but they kid wants to play on a team thats their grade. A season of slowly playing more and more the the correct grade in school team and parents will be ok rostering "up" on the correct grade in school team.

No matter what parents say kids dont want to be the only kid a grade older on a team with kids a grade younger.

With showcases going graduation year it isn't dual rostering. It's just putting together teams for a tournament, a showcase.

As the college coaches note above, no need to play up or any any special age group for the regular season. Just reach out to the right colleges to get on their radar and become the best player you can and get the good HS grades. Most teams will have 3-4 kids off grades compared to the rest of the team and once you become teammates school grades aren't necessary known or discussed between the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

It means that anyone in X grade can play on Y team. As an example any Junior can play on a Junior team. This sounds fair on the surface but what happens in GY environments is parents hold their kids back typically in 8th grade one or two years so they can be the oldest and biggest on the team.

SY is bound by 8/1-7/31 you cant be any older however you can be younger.

The GY guy just wants to play his kid that he held back in school on club soccer teams so they can be the biggest and oldest.

Ironically club soccer GA/ECNL already groups u18/u19 (juniors and seniors) together so they already play GY.

So what happens if an August player is a junior and playing in a team of sophomores? They will switch teams just for the showcase to go okay with juniors?

To answer your question more directly once players get to HS you cant realistically dual roster. This is because it will be difficult to maintain communications with college coaches if your kid is playing on two teams.

Wtf you talkin' 'bout Willis? I just can't imagine how you invented this problem that doesn't exist anywhere for anyone ever. Cell phones, emails, maybe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When someone says showcases are going graduation year, what does that mean exactly for someone playing on a team that's not their grade?

Just that they put together specific grade teams for a few exhibition games on a weekend. No biggy.