Framing Britney Spears

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Article about the conservatorship of Britney by Ronan Farrow and Jia Tolentino. So incredibly disturbing and sad.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/american-chronicles/britney-spears-conservatorship-nightmare

Thanks for sharing! I want to read this so much but it’s paywalled for me. Maybe someone can share/summarize the most interesting bits?

[Anonymous]

I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.

The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.

Team Brit Brit.

[Anonymous]

^ clear your cookies if its paywalled and try again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.

The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.

Team Brit Brit.

agree

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.

The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.

Team Brit Brit.

Perhaps.

Or, maybe her father is trying to prevent another Amy Winehouse or Lindsay Lohan situation.

It’s a fact she has mental health and addiction issues. It’s a miracle she still has a viable career and assets. Lohan and Winehouse don’t. The difference? The conservatorship.

Both Winehouse and Lohan were very talented. Their issues and lack of protection created their downfall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Article about the conservatorship of Britney by Ronan Farrow and Jia Tolentino. So incredibly disturbing and sad.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/american-chronicles/britney-spears-conservatorship-nightmare

Dear god. How this poor woman has been exploited. This is genuinely disturbing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.

The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.

Team Brit Brit.

Perhaps.

Or, maybe her father is trying to prevent another Amy Winehouse or Lindsay Lohan situation.

It’s a fact she has mental health and addiction issues. It’s a miracle she still has a viable career and assets. Lohan and Winehouse don’t. The difference? The conservatorship.

Both Winehouse and Lohan were very talented. Their issues and lack of protection created their downfall.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.

The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.

Team Brit Brit.

Perhaps.

Or, maybe her father is trying to prevent another Amy Winehouse or Lindsay Lohan situation.

It’s a fact she has mental health and addiction issues. It’s a miracle she still has a viable career and assets. Lohan and Winehouse don’t. The difference? The conservatorship.

Both Winehouse and Lohan were very talented. Their issues and lack of protection created their downfall.

Lots of people have addiction and mental health issues. That doesn’t mean you can strip them of their rights and exploit them for monetary gain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.

The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.

Team Brit Brit.

Perhaps.

Or, maybe her father is trying to prevent another Amy Winehouse or Lindsay Lohan situation.

It’s a fact she has mental health and addiction issues. It’s a miracle she still has a viable career and assets. Lohan and Winehouse don’t. The difference? The conservatorship.

Both Winehouse and Lohan were very talented. Their issues and lack of protection created their downfall.

Lots of people have addiction and mental health issues. That doesn’t mean you can strip them of their rights and exploit them for monetary gain.

The entire world is watching. If anything illegal has occurred, it will be addressed.

The father isn’t living large. He and the management team safeguarded her fortune and sustained her marketability and brand. Perhaps they can loosen the reins a bit? The court will decide.

Ronan is a pot stirrer. He’s not neutral. His career is based on a niche tabloid angle wrapped in a faux advocacy package.

Again: Winehouse and Lohan.

I guarantee you if Britney had been left to fend for herself all these years that Lutfi and others would have milked her and left her unemployable, addicted, and penniless.

[Anonymous]

Elvis wouldn’t have died had his parents lived and put him under a conservatorship.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.

The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.

Team Brit Brit.

Perhaps.

Or, maybe her father is trying to prevent another Amy Winehouse or Lindsay Lohan situation.

It’s a fact she has mental health and addiction issues. It’s a miracle she still has a viable career and assets. Lohan and Winehouse don’t. The difference? The conservatorship.

Both Winehouse and Lohan were very talented. Their issues and lack of protection created their downfall.

Lots of people have addiction and mental health issues. That doesn’t mean you can strip them of their rights and exploit them for monetary gain.

The entire world is watching. If anything illegal has occurred, it will be addressed.

The father isn’t living large. He and the management team safeguarded her fortune and sustained her marketability and brand. Perhaps they can loosen the reins a bit? The court will decide.

Ronan is a pot stirrer. He’s not neutral. His career is based on a niche tabloid angle wrapped in a faux advocacy package.

Again: Winehouse and Lohan.

I guarantee you if Britney had been left to fend for herself all these years that Lutfi and others would have milked her and left her unemployable, addicted, and penniless.

How old are you? Are you a child? Bad shit happens all the time while the whole world watches.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.

The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.

Team Brit Brit.

Perhaps.

Or, maybe her father is trying to prevent another Amy Winehouse or Lindsay Lohan situation.

It’s a fact she has mental health and addiction issues. It’s a miracle she still has a viable career and assets. Lohan and Winehouse don’t. The difference? The conservatorship.

Both Winehouse and Lohan were very talented. Their issues and lack of protection created their downfall.

Lots of people have addiction and mental health issues. That doesn’t mean you can strip them of their rights and exploit them for monetary gain.

The entire world is watching. If anything illegal has occurred, it will be addressed.

The father isn’t living large. He and the management team safeguarded her fortune and sustained her marketability and brand. Perhaps they can loosen the reins a bit? The court will decide.

Ronan is a pot stirrer. He’s not neutral. His career is based on a niche tabloid angle wrapped in a faux advocacy package.

Again: Winehouse and Lohan.

I guarantee you if Britney had been left to fend for herself all these years that Lutfi and others would have milked her and left her unemployable, addicted, and penniless.

How old are you? Are you a child? Bad shit happens all the time while the whole world watches.

False equivalence. Why do you think that firm backed out of being attached to this? An investigation is underway. It will be played out in the court of public opinion simultaneously as the courts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.

The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.

Team Brit Brit.

Perhaps.

Or, maybe her father is trying to prevent another Amy Winehouse or Lindsay Lohan situation.

It’s a fact she has mental health and addiction issues. It’s a miracle she still has a viable career and assets. Lohan and Winehouse don’t. The difference? The conservatorship.

Both Winehouse and Lohan were very talented. Their issues and lack of protection created their downfall.

Lots of people have addiction and mental health issues. That doesn’t mean you can strip them of their rights and exploit them for monetary gain.

The entire world is watching. If anything illegal has occurred, it will be addressed.

The father isn’t living large. He and the management team safeguarded her fortune and sustained her marketability and brand. Perhaps they can loosen the reins a bit? The court will decide.

Ronan is a pot stirrer. He’s not neutral. His career is based on a niche tabloid angle wrapped in a faux advocacy package.

Again: Winehouse and Lohan.

I guarantee you if Britney had been left to fend for herself all these years that Lutfi and others would have milked her and left her unemployable, addicted, and penniless.

How old are you? Are you a child? Bad shit happens all the time while the whole world watches.

False equivalence. Why do you think that firm backed out of being attached to this? An investigation is underway. It will be played out in the court of public opinion simultaneously as the courts.

Did you read the article? Because the statements from Butcher are pretty damning. Jamie Spears sounds very abusive, first to his wife, and then his daughter.

[Anonymous]

Here are some snipets from the article:

That year, according to “Through the Storm,” a memoir that Lynne published in 2008, Spears urged her mother to divorce her father, knowing that “years and years of verbal abuse, abandonment, erratic behavior, and his simply not being there for me had taken their toll,” Lynne writes. She and Jamie divorced in May, 2002, and Spears told People that it was “the best thing that’s ever happened to my family.”

It was really hard for her, having the kids for just a few hours. When she had to say goodbye, it was very sad—I would carry one to the car, and she would take the other, and they would cry a lot, and she would cry, too.” Spears grew so lonely that she would sometimes ask the housekeeper if she could bring her own children to the house and stay the night. “She used to ask me if I was happy,” the housekeeper said. “And I used to say yes. And she would say, ‘I just want to be happy. I want to have a family. I want my kids to stay with me every day.’ ”

Robin Johnson, the court-ordered monitor, who saw Spears four times a week, said, “None of this was her fault.” She went on, “There were so many people involved in her life that caused all of this craziness with her. I don’t have anything derogatory to say about her. . . . It was probably one of the saddest cases that I’ve ever done in my entire life.”

The judge, Reva Goetz, who has since retired, arrived and announced that the conservatorship had been granted. “The whole process was maybe ten minutes,” Butcher said. “No one testified. No questions were asked.” At the time, she felt relief that she’d helped to protect Spears. Now she is haunted by the event.

Butcher remembers sitting in Spears’s home office on one of the first days after she was released from the hospital. Butcher, Lynne, and Spears were on the floor, Spears on her knees; Jamie was sitting at a desk. A flat-screen TV was playing nearby. “Jamie said, ‘Baby,’ ” Butcher recalled, “and I thought he was going to say, ‘We love you, but you need help.’ But what he said was ‘You’re fat. Daddy’s gonna get you on a diet and a trainer, and you’re gonna get back in shape.’ ” Butcher felt sick.

Jamie wore Spears down. “He would get all in her face—spittle was flying—telling her she was a whore and a terrible mother,” Butcher said. Spears was told that she could see her kids again only if she coöperated. “Lynne was just, like, ‘Obey Daddy and they’ll let you out,’ ” Butcher added. Spears behaved, and regained limited access to her children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.

The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.

Team Brit Brit.

Perhaps.

Or, maybe her father is trying to prevent another Amy Winehouse or Lindsay Lohan situation.

It’s a fact she has mental health and addiction issues. It’s a miracle she still has a viable career and assets. Lohan and Winehouse don’t. The difference? The conservatorship.

Both Winehouse and Lohan were very talented. Their issues and lack of protection created their downfall.

Lots of people have addiction and mental health issues. That doesn’t mean you can strip them of their rights and exploit them for monetary gain.

The entire world is watching. If anything illegal has occurred, it will be addressed.

The father isn’t living large. He and the management team safeguarded her fortune and sustained her marketability and brand. Perhaps they can loosen the reins a bit? The court will decide.

Ronan is a pot stirrer. He’s not neutral. His career is based on a niche tabloid angle wrapped in a faux advocacy package.

Again: Winehouse and Lohan.

I guarantee you if Britney had been left to fend for herself all these years that Lutfi and others would have milked her and left her unemployable, addicted, and penniless.

How old are you? Are you a child? Bad shit happens all the time while the whole world watches.

False equivalence. Why do you think that firm backed out of being attached to this? An investigation is underway. It will be played out in the court of public opinion simultaneously as the courts.

Did you read the article? Because the statements from Butcher are pretty damning. Jamie Spears sounds very abusive, first to his wife, and then his daughter.

I read the article. It wasn’t drafted by a neutral party. Ronan is only relevant when he fancies himself as exposing corruption/abuse.

I’m not defending Jamie entirely. Wouldn’t surprise me if he was abusive. But that doesn’t mean he hasn’t protected her from a Winehouse or Lohan situation.

Too bad River Phoenix didn’t have someone looking out for him.