RTO and No Childcare.

[Anonymous]

Just watch tv on huge iPhone in the office. Problem solved. RTO and make your office a living room!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:3 years ago I did quit my job and I do watch the (feds) neighbors' kid while the parents go to work. I'm home with my own 2 kids, so why not? 8-5. Simple meals, library, park, play in the yard, nap, 2x walk/ wagon around the neighborhood, educational 60 minutes TV time while I make dinner. What's to complain about? I am paid 200/day cash. No pressure, no commuting, no boss, no deadlines, no aholes for coworkers. Parent provides food, snacks, pays daily in cash. It's terrific.

DH (fed) and I do all chores; no outsourcing.DH happy to be in office full-time (has been for last 3 years; his preference; he is very social and hated working from home.).

I hope you are reporting your income on your tax returns so you are earning payroll credits and also contributing to our nation’s finances. Really odd to me that a bunch of federal employees want to flaunt our payroll tax system for under the table childcare.

Tax fraud can result in losing security clearances, hopefully they’re audited.

Very few people get caught for this unless they are consistently writing checks. They can easily lie and say a family member watches their kids. This is assuming they are audited.

Childcare is a huge deal when you have young kids but otherwise you forget about it. Even someone auditing you may not consider it.

You’re right, this is tax fraud and it’s rarely caught even though it’s illegal and contributes to the tax gap. From a policy view what bothers me is the systemic underreporting of primarily women’s income which results in them qualifying for less social security. I guess if you’re comfortable with this because you’re unlikely to be caught, similar to how most people think of shoplifting, you go for it.

Who even gives a $hit. Our incoming president is a tax fraud in chief. Only thing tax fraud did was help him get elected.

DP. I’m a fed (and DH is private sector with a security clearance). When we had a nanny we used a payroll service. I think it’s shady to work for the government and then commit tax fraud, but even more so, it’s not truly helpful to the nanny in the long term to not be paying into SS in case they become disabled or have a disabled child or even for retirement someday. Also you’re paying into unemployment and we got a workers comp policy as well in case she got hurt. Of all the things to skirt the rules/cheap out on, childcare is not one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My experience with working from home is that while I may not be grinding away 8 hours straight a day, I do generally stay at my computer later than my usual end of tour time, so I’m available for much longer. Or often if I do leave the computer at the official end of my day, I return to it later to check for and reply to any late emails.

At the end of the fiscal year, when my job is crazy busy, I’m working from 6am to 7pm daily, and weekends. Without compensation for that additional time. Pre-covid and in the office, I wasn’t doing that. I had kids to pick up and had to head out right on time. Or I’d head out on time bc my 45 min commute would turn into an hour+ if I didn’t.

Do I sometimes toss a load of laundry into the washing machine at 10am? Yes. Am I watching Netflix at 10am? No. Of course I’m sure there are feds who *are* watching TV. But those people, when they were in the office, weren’t nose the grindstone. They were socializing, they were surfing the internet, etc.

As usual they punish everyone, rather than going after the ones who are the problem.

stop complaining and go to the office or quit and let someone willing to go into the office take your place

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

For white mothers.
Black mothers didn’t have that privilege

You got in your social justice dig. Feel better?

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with working from home is that while I may not be grinding away 8 hours straight a day, I do generally stay at my computer later than my usual end of tour time, so I’m available for much longer. Or often if I do leave the computer at the official end of my day, I return to it later to check for and reply to any late emails.

At the end of the fiscal year, when my job is crazy busy, I’m working from 6am to 7pm daily, and weekends. Without compensation for that additional time. Pre-covid and in the office, I wasn’t doing that. I had kids to pick up and had to head out right on time. Or I’d head out on time bc my 45 min commute would turn into an hour+ if I didn’t.

Do I sometimes toss a load of laundry into the washing machine at 10am? Yes. Am I watching Netflix at 10am? No. Of course I’m sure there are feds who *are* watching TV. But those people, when they were in the office, weren’t nose the grindstone. They were socializing, they were surfing the internet, etc.

As usual they punish everyone, rather than going after the ones who are the problem.

stop complaining and go to the office or quit and let someone willing to go into the office take your place

How about you stop generically complaining about people teleworking and actually address the arguments in the post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with working from home is that while I may not be grinding away 8 hours straight a day, I do generally stay at my computer later than my usual end of tour time, so I’m available for much longer. Or often if I do leave the computer at the official end of my day, I return to it later to check for and reply to any late emails.

At the end of the fiscal year, when my job is crazy busy, I’m working from 6am to 7pm daily, and weekends. Without compensation for that additional time. Pre-covid and in the office, I wasn’t doing that. I had kids to pick up and had to head out right on time. Or I’d head out on time bc my 45 min commute would turn into an hour+ if I didn’t.

Do I sometimes toss a load of laundry into the washing machine at 10am? Yes. Am I watching Netflix at 10am? No. Of course I’m sure there are feds who *are* watching TV. But those people, when they were in the office, weren’t nose the grindstone. They were socializing, they were surfing the internet, etc.

As usual they punish everyone, rather than going after the ones who are the problem.

stop complaining and go to the office or quit and let someone willing to go into the office take your place

Going to the office doesn’t always mean more productive.

[Anonymous]

DOGE and Vivek are already imploding on X with infighting, etc. about visas, immigration. So don’t sweat it. With their internal inconsistencies and hypocrisies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with working from home is that while I may not be grinding away 8 hours straight a day, I do generally stay at my computer later than my usual end of tour time, so I’m available for much longer. Or often if I do leave the computer at the official end of my day, I return to it later to check for and reply to any late emails.

At the end of the fiscal year, when my job is crazy busy, I’m working from 6am to 7pm daily, and weekends. Without compensation for that additional time. Pre-covid and in the office, I wasn’t doing that. I had kids to pick up and had to head out right on time. Or I’d head out on time bc my 45 min commute would turn into an hour+ if I didn’t.

Do I sometimes toss a load of laundry into the washing machine at 10am? Yes. Am I watching Netflix at 10am? No. Of course I’m sure there are feds who *are* watching TV. But those people, when they were in the office, weren’t nose the grindstone. They were socializing, they were surfing the internet, etc.

As usual they punish everyone, rather than going after the ones who are the problem.

stop complaining and go to the office or quit and let someone willing to go into the office take your place

Going to the office doesn’t always mean more productive.

I'm not the one whining. Employer is changing terms - option is to stay or bail; its pretty straightforward

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with working from home is that while I may not be grinding away 8 hours straight a day, I do generally stay at my computer later than my usual end of tour time, so I’m available for much longer. Or often if I do leave the computer at the official end of my day, I return to it later to check for and reply to any late emails.

At the end of the fiscal year, when my job is crazy busy, I’m working from 6am to 7pm daily, and weekends. Without compensation for that additional time. Pre-covid and in the office, I wasn’t doing that. I had kids to pick up and had to head out right on time. Or I’d head out on time bc my 45 min commute would turn into an hour+ if I didn’t.

Do I sometimes toss a load of laundry into the washing machine at 10am? Yes. Am I watching Netflix at 10am? No. Of course I’m sure there are feds who *are* watching TV. But those people, when they were in the office, weren’t nose the grindstone. They were socializing, they were surfing the internet, etc.

As usual they punish everyone, rather than going after the ones who are the problem.

stop complaining and go to the office or quit and let someone willing to go into the office take your place

Going to the office doesn’t always mean more productive.

I'm not the one whining. Employer is changing terms - option is to stay or bail; its pretty straightforward

It’s not so easy to get an equal job. My spouse was work at home long before Covid. It sucks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with working from home is that while I may not be grinding away 8 hours straight a day, I do generally stay at my computer later than my usual end of tour time, so I’m available for much longer. Or often if I do leave the computer at the official end of my day, I return to it later to check for and reply to any late emails.

At the end of the fiscal year, when my job is crazy busy, I’m working from 6am to 7pm daily, and weekends. Without compensation for that additional time. Pre-covid and in the office, I wasn’t doing that. I had kids to pick up and had to head out right on time. Or I’d head out on time bc my 45 min commute would turn into an hour+ if I didn’t.

Do I sometimes toss a load of laundry into the washing machine at 10am? Yes. Am I watching Netflix at 10am? No. Of course I’m sure there are feds who *are* watching TV. But those people, when they were in the office, weren’t nose the grindstone. They were socializing, they were surfing the internet, etc.

As usual they punish everyone, rather than going after the ones who are the problem.

stop complaining and go to the office or quit and let someone willing to go into the office take your place

Going to the office doesn’t always mean more productive.

I'm not the one whining. Employer is changing terms - option is to stay or bail; its pretty straightforward

The discussion is about why this is poor policy. The only one whining is you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with working from home is that while I may not be grinding away 8 hours straight a day, I do generally stay at my computer later than my usual end of tour time, so I’m available for much longer. Or often if I do leave the computer at the official end of my day, I return to it later to check for and reply to any late emails.

At the end of the fiscal year, when my job is crazy busy, I’m working from 6am to 7pm daily, and weekends. Without compensation for that additional time. Pre-covid and in the office, I wasn’t doing that. I had kids to pick up and had to head out right on time. Or I’d head out on time bc my 45 min commute would turn into an hour+ if I didn’t.

Do I sometimes toss a load of laundry into the washing machine at 10am? Yes. Am I watching Netflix at 10am? No. Of course I’m sure there are feds who *are* watching TV. But those people, when they were in the office, weren’t nose the grindstone. They were socializing, they were surfing the internet, etc.

As usual they punish everyone, rather than going after the ones who are the problem.

stop complaining and go to the office or quit and let someone willing to go into the office take your place

Going to the office doesn’t always mean more productive.

I'm not the one whining. Employer is changing terms - option is to stay or bail; its pretty straightforward

The discussion is about why this is poor policy. The only one whining is you.

They are going to the be ones complaining people aren't as easily available if they are not working as many hours due to commute or varying work hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s not a lack of childcare that’s the problem; it’s that these women want to have it both ways. They don’t want to pay anyone else to watch their children, they prefer to fleece their employers.

Yes I want it both ways. I have it and am highly productive with a child at home. (Older now but was helpful when younger). You assume that every job is 9-5 and mine (& many) is not. I have a lot of flexibility. And my performance reviews, and many performance- related awards, including in the past year, demonstrates that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with working from home is that while I may not be grinding away 8 hours straight a day, I do generally stay at my computer later than my usual end of tour time, so I’m available for much longer. Or often if I do leave the computer at the official end of my day, I return to it later to check for and reply to any late emails.

At the end of the fiscal year, when my job is crazy busy, I’m working from 6am to 7pm daily, and weekends. Without compensation for that additional time. Pre-covid and in the office, I wasn’t doing that. I had kids to pick up and had to head out right on time. Or I’d head out on time bc my 45 min commute would turn into an hour+ if I didn’t.

Do I sometimes toss a load of laundry into the washing machine at 10am? Yes. Am I watching Netflix at 10am? No. Of course I’m sure there are feds who *are* watching TV. But those people, when they were in the office, weren’t nose the grindstone. They were socializing, they were surfing the internet, etc.

As usual they punish everyone, rather than going after the ones who are the problem.

stop complaining and go to the office or quit and let someone willing to go into the office take your place

Why don’t you F all the way off and address the many people saying g they e successfully done both. And address the policy problems. Instead of just being a spiteful prick and sticking it to people you don’t know.

If I leave I take my niche area expertise and 25 years experience with me. And if you think I’m passing the baton when I do-not happening. It’s a two way street.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a lack of childcare that’s the problem; it’s that these women want to have it both ways. They don’t want to pay anyone else to watch their children, they prefer to fleece their employers.

Yes I want it both ways. I have it and am highly productive with a child at home. (Older now but was helpful when younger). You assume that every job is 9-5 and mine (& many) is not. I have a lot of flexibility. And my performance reviews, and many performance- related awards, including in the past year, demonstrates that.

That’s great you have flexibility. Most people are not as fortunate as you. My spouse will have none with rto. So, they will leave at 7 and probably get home between 6-10 pm depending on traffic and dealing with folks on the west coast and all over the world and still take calls and be on call 24-7. That’s dangerous with little sleep. I have a ton of medical appointments so they will burn through their leave. You se the difference with flexibility and no flexibility.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a lack of childcare that’s the problem; it’s that these women want to have it both ways. They don’t want to pay anyone else to watch their children, they prefer to fleece their employers.

Yes I want it both ways. I have it and am highly productive with a child at home. (Older now but was helpful when younger). You assume that every job is 9-5 and mine (& many) is not. I have a lot of flexibility. And my performance reviews, and many performance- related awards, including in the past year, demonstrates that.

That’s great you have flexibility. Most people are not as fortunate as you. My spouse will have none with rto. So, they will leave at 7 and probably get home between 6-10 pm depending on traffic and dealing with folks on the west coast and all over the world and still take calls and be on call 24-7. That’s dangerous with little sleep. I have a ton of medical appointments so they will burn through their leave. You se the difference with flexibility and no flexibility.

Then he can look for another job. My immigrant parents worked 12-14 hour jobs and never complained.