Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?

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Anonymous wrote:I think they were both blackout drunk - him to the point of vomiting apparently - and he either got hit lightly by her - although this doesn’t totally check out because it doesn’t sound like she peeled out it sounds like she waited for him to go in - or someone else, or he just fell and hit his head hard and passed out. He was completely wasted. He likely couldn’t get up even if he was just minorly injured.

Regardless it’s clearly not murder and this entire thing is nonsense. It’s a drunk driving accident. Should she have been driving, hundred percent no, so she should be tagged on I guess negligent manslaughter.

She's definitely guilty of the OUI manslaughter charged levied against her.

I think she's also guilty of the murder 2, which doesn't require intent to kill but merely intent to do an act that is reckless in the extreme and shows disregard for human life - like intending to back your 6000lb vehicle in the direction of a human body at relatively high speed for any reason, whether to side swipe and knock the person on their arse or whether to simply come close and thereby scare them or piss them off.

The Lexus EDR data seems irrefutable that the driver of that vehicle engaged in an intentional backing of the vehicle for 60+ feet at 24mph.

It's going to be interesting to see how the case unfolds this time. I certainly believe that a jury could find her guilty to a moral certainty of all of the charges against her. It all comes down to the jury and as anyone who watches our justice system carefully or who works in it knows, one jury can find NG on the very same facts that another has no trouble finding G.

I'm not going to lose any money placing bets on the outcome, that's for sure.

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Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?

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Anonymous wrote:Odd that the weird post about money showed up just minutes after this post:


“I thought the questioning about why Jen didn’t just go and bang on the door to get a first responder to come outside and help until EMTs could get there was an excellent question. It seems as though it would have been obvious to attempt to get help from the brother-in-law right there inside the house.”

That was possibly his only good question.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?

There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.

John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.

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Jen McCabe says she doesn’t know when she did the google search? I KNOW when she did the google search. She is making this unnecessarily difficult and arduous. It makes her look sketchy. The poor poor jurors.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?

There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.

John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.

Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?

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Anonymous wrote:Jen McCabe says she doesn’t know when she did the google search? I KNOW when she did the google search. She is making this unnecessarily difficult and arduous. It makes her look sketchy. The poor poor jurors.

No, you don't - not if you think it was 2:27am, which has be soundly and thoroughly debunked by Cellebrite.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?

There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.

John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.

Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?

If they have the bar receipts/footage to know how many drinks KR had, then they have the ability to know how many drinks everyone else had. It's knowable information.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?

There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.

John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.

Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?

They did and Karen Read said she was adding shots to her vodka seltzers because they weren’t strong enough for her. They tasted watered down so she is counting each drink as one when they really are two.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they were both blackout drunk - him to the point of vomiting apparently - and he either got hit lightly by her - although this doesn’t totally check out because it doesn’t sound like she peeled out it sounds like she waited for him to go in - or someone else, or he just fell and hit his head hard and passed out. He was completely wasted. He likely couldn’t get up even if he was just minorly injured.

Regardless it’s clearly not murder and this entire thing is nonsense. It’s a drunk driving accident. Should she have been driving, hundred percent no, so she should be tagged on I guess negligent manslaughter.

Yes, it makes no sense to me. She hit him accidentally, or another drunk hit him. The group was hiding that Colin Albert was there. Chris Albert went to jail for killing someone and fleeing the scene. He conveniently said he "walked home" that night. They all were drunk. The timeline of her hitting him barely (if at all) works, Higgins had a Jeep with a snow plow and people were shady about mentioning it. They were shady about their movements generally and communicated way into the night. It's a shame Karen's team didn't decide to go with another drunk hit him and covered it up because to me that is a way simpler theory to introduce doubt than a murder theory.

This. They probably know that in hindsight too. So many drunk idiots, lots of reasonable doubt.

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Anonymous wrote:Karen Reads networth is $50 Million, she owes lawyers $5M & crowd sourced $500K.
She is a VERY rich millionaire (her networth is $50 Million dollars!) crowd sourcing money for her murder defense! This is crazy! Why would she need to crowd source $500K if she has $50 million dollars? How can she possible owe $5 million to lawyers I get that they're expensive, but most do pro-bono work like this for high profile cases. Did anyone know this?!

https://www.nytime.org/20...net-worth/

https://snipminds.com/kar...aren-read/

She’s worth 50mil?! That’s news to me, probably the most shocking thing to me about this case.

I don’t believe this is true The NY Times link reads like AI.

They're working really hard getting her $50 million dollar net worth out of mainstream media and out of the knowledge of the jury. Thats suspicious.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Karen Reads networth is $50 Million, she owes lawyers $5M & crowd sourced $500K.
She is a VERY rich millionaire (her networth is $50 Million dollars!) crowd sourcing money for her murder defense! This is crazy! Why would she need to crowd source $500K if she has $50 million dollars? How can she possible owe $5 million to lawyers I get that they're expensive, but most do pro-bono work like this for high profile cases. Did anyone know this?!

https://www.nytime.org/20...net-worth/

https://snipminds.com/kar...aren-read/

She’s worth 50mil?! That’s news to me, probably the most shocking thing to me about this case.

I don’t believe this is true The NY Times link reads like AI.

They're working really hard getting her $50 million dollar net worth out of mainstream media and out of the knowledge of the jury. Thats suspicious.

No. The link is fake and made up. That is not the web address for nytimes.com

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jen McCabe says she doesn’t know when she did the google search? I KNOW when she did the google search. She is making this unnecessarily difficult and arduous. It makes her look sketchy. The poor poor jurors.

No, you don't - not if you think it was 2:27am, which has be soundly and thoroughly debunked by Cellebrite.

He was asking her about the googling for the basketball stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?

There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.

John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.

Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?

They did and Karen Read said she was adding shots to her vodka seltzers because they weren’t strong enough for her. They tasted watered down so she is counting each drink as one when they really are two.

Right, and isn’t it also possible to see how much other people present with this group were drinking? For example, you can see a group of several people, including the defendant, doing shots around a table at one point. Clearly many members of the group were drinking. They were at a bar, after all.

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I think it’s clear he didn’t go in the house. It’s just not clear/provable how he got the head injury that killed him. Her car did not impact his head.