We need massively stepped up criminal enforcement and convictions in DC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can’t arrest or prosecute your way out of the crime crisis?! El Salvador dropped the crime rate by 70% in one year bringing murder rate en par with Canada. All we need is one nice super prison.

“Once known as the "murder capital" of the world, El Salvador underwent significant reforms that allowed the government to sweep up alleged gang members by the hundreds and shove them into a rapidly established super prison.

The prison, built in just months during 2022, can hold up to 40,000 people and has thousands of military personnel guarding it. Bukele made sure to share plenty of video and pictures of the prison and its first few thousands of occupants.

The measures, which ultimately swept up many potentially innocent men, led to a drop in the murder and crime rates over the following year. Salvadorian Justice and Security Minister Gustavo Villatoro claimed that the country recorded 154 murders in 2023, marking a 70% drop from the previous year.

That would account for a rate of 2.4 per every 100,000 people, which would potentially rank as the lowest in the Americas, apart from Canada, according to Reuters.”

They chased them out of the country. Those ones that didn't get caught fled to the US. Where are you suggesting we export our homegrown systemic issues? Canada?

Who chose to let them in? And to what end?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh so you want to talk about El Salvador? While Bukele has certainly achieved the unthinkable by crippling the gangs' power, let's not act like it's all fun and games in El Salvador. Bukele has eliminated the right for the accused to have a legal defense, suspects can be held indefinitely, innocent people are picked up and not allowed to tell their families, innocent people end up in his new supermax prison and disappear. Sounds like a great dude. Nayib Bukele for US president!

They had a severe crisis and responded with severe and harsh tactics. Those tactics largely worked and now average Salvadorans are much safer. The question will be if they can pivot away from the dictatorship-like prisons in the future if/when they have longer term stability.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Downtown restaurants, or Clydes in Chevy Chase > violence breaks out unexpectedly. Was not always like this. Is NOT like this most places. If violent people were taken out of the community, would be a start.

Why no protests? There were protests for hands up, don't shoot. Why not for the dead this week? Why not for the living who remain?

The anticarceral crowd knows how to turn out donors and employees for public stunts. The rest of us are not in that situation and many are reluctant to move about much in DC with the daytime homicides of those who are not in the game. That applies to residents, commuters and tourists. Cooperative victims have been shot to death in front of witnesses, stabbed and witnesses have been sprayed with gunfire. It is a disturbing and escalating shift.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/distraught-father-issues-warning-after-son-was-killed-in-dc-carjacking-spree-it-can-happen-to-anyone/ar-BB1hDajX

[Anonymous]

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His little girls are so young, it's an absolute tragedy. And terrifying that you can hand over keys and be murdered or stabbed anyway, that seems to be increasing. The false sense that you would be a "cooperative victim" appears to often not matter.

You have this all so backwards. What about the young gentleman who now stands accused of this so-called crime?

Why wasn’t he provided with wrap around services? Why should his life be ruined now too??

I hope this is sarcasm. Hard to tell on this board.

Lol, that it is.

Wrap around services do not compel participation. They are voluntary. A feature of mental illness and addiction for many is to not understand that you have a problem. For a person who shot one father in the head (still hanging on) and killed another father of 2 young girls WHO HAD HANDED OVER HIS KEYS, which voluntary services would have made him Mr. Rogers, PP. Please enlighten us all. And what if he was not mentally ill but just someone who did not value human life? What services for that issue?

The genuflecting to "services" seems to be part of the new religion, despite the lack of grounding in the reality of the human condition. DC spends a staggering sum on "services" without much of a payoff thus far. Of course the NGOs are all feeding at the trough and making sure problems do not improve, as they have in Baltimore.

Those wraparound services are not compelling. If they were, people would jump at the chance to have them. This is a failure of the government to provide the services that people want and need.

By definition addicts, the mentally ill and the criminal resist change.

Because you are not giving them a reason to change other than the cudgel.

Educate yourself, low information poster. This fact re: addicts and the mentally ill may not be in your scripted talking points

https://namiwc.org/2021/08/26/anosognosia-when-people-dont-know-they-are-ill/

Societies require order and basic safety, as does human psychology. LE is a primary duty of governments, one that USAO, AG (quite directly!) and the Council who write the laws have rejected.

[Anonymous]

CCW and move around freely.
Also rent-a-cop. Can’t fix the city. Can protect my super peaceful and leafy street.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh so you want to talk about El Salvador? While Bukele has certainly achieved the unthinkable by crippling the gangs' power, let's not act like it's all fun and games in El Salvador. Bukele has eliminated the right for the accused to have a legal defense, suspects can be held indefinitely, innocent people are picked up and not allowed to tell their families, innocent people end up in his new supermax prison and disappear. Sounds like a great dude. Nayib Bukele for US president!

They had a severe crisis and responded with severe and harsh tactics. Those tactics largely worked and now average Salvadorans are much safer. The question will be if they can pivot away from the dictatorship-like prisons in the future if/when they have longer term stability.

When problems are ignored for too long the outcomes are anarchy or a strong correction. DC USAO, AG and Council have chosen the former, for now. They have posited, against all human experience to date, that a socialist utopia must be achieved prior to any improvement in public safety.

DC is facing an unprecedented CRE crash, one that was not a factor at the time of the original Control Board. Like in SF, the crime factor (worse here) is an issue for businesses. More businesses will leave, taking needed revenue. Ultimately, DC will be in uncharted fiscal waters with a smaller number of taxpayers supporting a growing number of those who draw heavily on the public purse. Once fed leases expire they are likely to reduce footprint or relocate. Some will maintain a smaller presence, as will law firms. Mike Gills death, outside his wife's law firm, during rush hour, will be a wake up call to many. Tragically the same killer killed another man shortly after, one who had already handed over his car keys. The old rules no longer keep you safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CCW and move around freely.
Also rent-a-cop. Can’t fix the city. Can protect my super peaceful and leafy street.

Your single weapon won't protect your head from a TBI or bullet, stray or targeted. Attacked by a group or from behind, it's a false sense of security or control. This is not some duel in the old West with rules.

You could walk out of a restaurant

https://wjla.com/news/local/4-wanted-for-questioning-after-peace-corps-official-killed-in-dc-shooting

or be driving down the street https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-injured-in-shooting-near-dupont-circle-police-say/ar-BB1hxQfk

or be picking your spouse up from work during rush hour

https://nypost.com/2024/01/31/news/former-trump-official-mike-gilll-critically-wounded-by-gunman-in-dc-carjacking-spree/

and be dead, gravely wounded or paralyzed (per the 3 above examples) before having time to draw your weapon.

Are you planning to arm your teens who may be out driving or walking in the city? Install bulletproof windows on vehicle? It could be any of us or are loved ones next. This is not the 90s, see sketchy people and cross the street, stick to crowded areas, avoid some areas after dark. Many assaults begin with assailants driving up in a stolen high end vehicle and ambushing a victim. They happen with witnesses, even LE nearby, in broad daylight, in all areas of the city, even in developments like City Ridge that are a bit more remote and that have some private security. All the cameras do not deter, years of low prosecution has trained criminals of all ages to act with impunity.

Rent a cop was useful in the 90s when witnesses and eyes on the street were a deterrent. Different ballgame now, look how many armed security guards, even LE, fed marshal, FBI, etc. have been attacked. Have no illusions, PP.

[Anonymous]

^ OUR loved ones

[Anonymous]

Everyone who acted and/or continues to act to suppress discussion of crime has played a role in things reaching this point. Including Elissa "MAGA" Silverman, keyboard warrior.

Had issues been openly discussed and addressed earlier, many, including children would be alive today.

Activists claim to be supporting black youth, but parents and foster parents of those kids are begging and pleading for more accountability and bigger police presences. So, who are those activists REALLY benefiting and to what end?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^

His little girls are so young, it's an absolute tragedy. And terrifying that you can hand over keys and be murdered or stabbed anyway, that seems to be increasing. The false sense that you would be a "cooperative victim" appears to often not matter.

You have this all so backwards. What about the young gentleman who now stands accused of this so-called crime?

Why wasn’t he provided with wrap around services? Why should his life be ruined now too??

I hope this is sarcasm. Hard to tell on this board.

Lol, that it is.

Wrap around services do not compel participation. They are voluntary. A feature of mental illness and addiction for many is to not understand that you have a problem. For a person who shot one father in the head (still hanging on) and killed another father of 2 young girls WHO HAD HANDED OVER HIS KEYS, which voluntary services would have made him Mr. Rogers, PP. Please enlighten us all. And what if he was not mentally ill but just someone who did not value human life? What services for that issue?

The genuflecting to "services" seems to be part of the new religion, despite the lack of grounding in the reality of the human condition. DC spends a staggering sum on "services" without much of a payoff thus far. Of course the NGOs are all feeding at the trough and making sure problems do not improve, as they have in Baltimore.

Those wraparound services are not compelling. If they were, people would jump at the chance to have them. This is a failure of the government to provide the services that people want and need.

By definition addicts, the mentally ill and the criminal resist change.

Because you are not giving them a reason to change other than the cudgel.

Educate yourself, low information poster. This fact re: addicts and the mentally ill may not be in your scripted talking points

https://namiwc.org/2021/08/26/anosognosia-when-people-dont-know-they-are-ill/

Societies require order and basic safety, as does human psychology. LE is a primary duty of governments, one that USAO, AG (quite directly!) and the Council who write the laws have rejected.

You can't beat someone into submission and call it a treatment. That's inhumane and an illegal activity under human rights treaties to which the US is a signatory. How much money do you think DC will lose defending against numerous lawsuits from the ACLU, SPLC, and whoever else is familiar with rule of law?

[Anonymous]

State of Emergency powers. Let it rip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone who acted and/or continues to act to suppress discussion of crime has played a role in things reaching this point. Including Elissa "MAGA" Silverman, keyboard warrior.

Had issues been openly discussed and addressed earlier, many, including children would be alive today.

Activists claim to be supporting black youth, but parents and foster parents of those kids are begging and pleading for more accountability and bigger police presences. So, who are those activists REALLY benefiting and to what end?

It’s the money trail. The activists are getting paid for bullshit jobs that wouldn’t exist without the current political environment. They get paid consulting and other fees. If we abolish the whole enchilada, we’d be far better off

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CCW and move around freely.
Also rent-a-cop. Can’t fix the city. Can protect my super peaceful and leafy street.

Your single weapon won't protect your head from a TBI or bullet, stray or targeted. Attacked by a group or from behind, it's a false sense of security or control. This is not some duel in the old West with rules.

You could walk out of a restaurant

https://wjla.com/news/local/4-wanted-for-questioning-after-peace-corps-official-killed-in-dc-shooting

or be driving down the street https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-injured-in-shooting-near-dupont-circle-police-say/ar-BB1hxQfk

or be picking your spouse up from work during rush hour

https://nypost.com/2024/01/31/news/former-trump-official-mike-gilll-critically-wounded-by-gunman-in-dc-carjacking-spree/

and be dead, gravely wounded or paralyzed (per the 3 above examples) before having time to draw your weapon.

Are you planning to arm your teens who may be out driving or walking in the city? Install bulletproof windows on vehicle? It could be any of us or are loved ones next. This is not the 90s, see sketchy people and cross the street, stick to crowded areas, avoid some areas after dark. Many assaults begin with assailants driving up in a stolen high end vehicle and ambushing a victim. They happen with witnesses, even LE nearby, in broad daylight, in all areas of the city, even in developments like City Ridge that are a bit more remote and that have some private security. All the cameras do not deter, years of low prosecution has trained criminals of all ages to act with impunity.

Rent a cop was useful in the 90s when witnesses and eyes on the street were a deterrent. Different ballgame now, look how many armed security guards, even LE, fed marshal, FBI, etc. have been attacked. Have no illusions, PP.

Okay, thanks, still doing both. So far so great.

[Anonymous]

The crimes just get more brazen, this afternoon, near Old Ebbitt and the WH

In the same hour someone was stabbed in the head on a wmata bus in NW. (still alive)

Daylight and lots of people around won't protect you and your loved ones.

Wonder how hotel vacancies are? Does The Willard warn guests? Lots of shooting near The Mayflower recently, wonder how business travel there is doing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The crimes just get more brazen, this afternoon, near Old Ebbitt and the WH

In the same hour someone was stabbed in the head on a wmata bus in NW. (still alive)

Daylight and lots of people around won't protect you and your loved ones.

Wonder how hotel vacancies are? Does The Willard warn guests? Lots of shooting near The Mayflower recently, wonder how business travel there is doing?

Downtown during the daytime is dangerous now. It was not like that in the 90s. Amazing what they’ve done to the city in almost no time at all. 30 years of progress gone.