Test optional and socio-economic background as a factor. If you want diversity with even approach- remove the tests that wealthy kids get tutored for as freshmen and pull diversity based on socioeconomic background. |
Actually, that's not the case at all and that's why this decision happened. Harvard and other colleges were setting much higher standards for Asians than non-Asians, including white candidates. Do you know how messed up that is? As an Asian person with kids who are bright but not Ivy level, I worried that being Asian was going to hurt them when applying to colleges a few years from now. That's wrong. I'm not a tiger mom nor are my kids being tutored. They're A & B student-athletes and aren't taking 4 AP classes every semester. They should be held to the same standards as everyone else. |
The hardest working graduating senior I know was a Chinese-American girl. She’s highly self motivated and smart. She’s done internships with university research labs the last two summers in the specific academic area she wants. Got a recommendation from the professor- and was waitlisted everywhere. She’s amazingly balanced applicant- part time job, sports, AP classes, etc. |
It's not just that. The Harvard admissions office systematically penalized Asian candidates on personality. Asian candidates were rated the worst on personality across every decile. This is despite the alumni interviewers scoring Asians similarly to whites on personality and better on average than Latinos and blacks. |
I know many Asians that are really worried about this ruling. Everyone wants to consider Asian Americans as the "model minority" which my Asian friends hate. There are a lot of poor Asians in our country who don't come from well to do families that can afford tutoring or live in areas with terrible schools. A lot of schools in urban and poor areas don't offer AP courses which help distinguish a student's record and give them extra points. They will be penalized with the other poor students and now they can't even use race as a distinguishing factor. I keep asking - what is merit if not all high schools offer the same education. |
I see what you're saying about schools not offering the same education but admissions officers know what's available at the schools and in general, will evaluate candidates weather or not they took the hardest classes available to them. I don't know why Asian people are worried about this ruling. It actually helps them as they're no longer going to be held at higher standards than non-Asian candidates. |
I don't understand. How were they ever able to use race as a helpful distinguishing factor if they are Asian? Now they actually have a chance to be recognized as facing unique hardships instead of being disqualified for simply being Asian and having to compete only with other Asians. |
You keep saying “racial stereotypes”. This is literally every Asian family I know and I know quite a few. This is also what other people tell me who know other Asian families. They made movies about this, wrote books about it. This is reality. I will add on top of it that Indians don’t assimilate into American culture. I’m not talking about 1st generation Indians, but 2nd, 3rd and so on. They marry primarily Indians, hangout only with other Indians, bring Bollywood movies to American theaters, they even bought an Oscar for themselves this year for a movie that no American watched. So let me ask you this. Are you here just to use American education system for your personal gain? How do you contribute to the American society? How do your contribute to making American society just and diverse? Or is this all just about you making riches? |
Well, this ruling potentially gives those students more of a chance. The idea that affirmative action gave poor students a chance to go to Harvard was mostly a facade. Almost everyone who got admitted is rich or UMC. Hardly any of the black students admitted to Harvard are ADOS. With this change elite institutions like Harvard may be forced to rely on family income rather than race. This benefits LMC and poor Asian kids over UMC Asian kids. |
I guess it depends on your definition of discrimination. You are assuming that if the racial makeup of any one group at harvard goes above the percent of that group in the general population, there is no discrimination against that group and possibly discrimination against another group. On the other hand, I believe that not being judged based on my own merits but based on the racial group I belong to (and whether or not we've met our quota) is the very definition of discrimination. |
DCs Dunbar High School did well when it was segregated, more than 10 Ivy graduates over 5 years, but then when it was integrated, educators came in with theories about how to equalize education for blacks and whites, and it got worse, just like the school in Stand and Deliver after Jaime Escalante left. |
Did you know that if you survey all your friends, I guarantee you most if not all of them will have mommy and daddy problems? No parents are perfect. What is your point? Do you really want me to point out all the way black parents fail their children? Or white parents? Do we need to go there? |
They didn't do that when the Solomon Amendment forced them to reconsider not having ROTC. |
Here is an example of the perpetual foreigner stereotype. Do you ask these questions of Jewish people too? How well are those Amish people assimilating into society? |