Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:okay this is going to sound super dumb, but 2 miles below the surface didn't sound that far to me at first given we drive or even run 2 miles on a regular basis, but I guess when you factor in water pressure, the cold, and the extremity of all of it, 2 miles beneath the ocean surface really is a forbidding place. why is it that we can comprehend 2 miles in distance on land, but when you consider a depth of 2 miles, it's an overwhelming depth?

Yes. It is really incredibly deep. I think it’s incomprehensible because it’s just THAT deep. Most human would freak out being even 200-300 feet deep in water. This is ten times that. Really unfathomable.

Sorry, not 10 times - 60 times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:good to hear they have picked up banging sound. that's a very good news.

I think that was yesterdays news. I haven't heard of any current report where they are still hearing banging.

hopefully, they are still alive. you are supposed to bang it every 30 min for 3 min. i heard that's what they were picking up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can dolphins swim that deep?

No

What about an orca? I'm not saying this would work, but we won't know for sure unless we try.

Ha! They are two miles deep, and the submersible has 17 outer locks in place.

They don't need to open the sub. You just take two orcas and tie a fishing net between them (maybe 50-75 feet max). The orcas then dive down, locate the sub, and scoop the ocean explorers up in the net. Then they go back to the surface and the coast guard can figure out how to get through the 17 or whatever locks.

Again, I'm not saying this will work, but it's much more worthwhile than flying a bunch of airplanes around for days.

Don't you think trolling about this is a bit ghoulish?

NP, not really. Make stupid choices win stupid prizes. I like the suggestions and haikus.

I enjoyed the comment yesterday where someone was going to donate a trip to her MIL. But sadly, some nimwad reported it.

The word is “nimrod” not “nimwad,” and the phrase is “play stupid, games win stupid prizes.” You are not only cruel, you’re stupid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can dolphins swim that deep?

No

What about an orca? I'm not saying this would work, but we won't know for sure unless we try.

Ha! They are two miles deep, and the submersible has 17 outer locks in place.

They don't need to open the sub. You just take two orcas and tie a fishing net between them (maybe 50-75 feet max). The orcas then dive down, locate the sub, and scoop the ocean explorers up in the net. Then they go back to the surface and the coast guard can figure out how to get through the 17 or whatever locks.

Again, I'm not saying this will work, but it's much more worthwhile than flying a bunch of airplanes around for days.

orcas don't dive down several miles.

Orcas ram our boats to kill us, we aren’t training them to rescue a sub in the next 24 hours, when their oxygen runs out. Otherwise, yes, it could work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A vehicle the size of a mini-van with a bottle and Ziploc bags for a toilet. Viewing portal tested to 1400 meters’ depth and they were going down 14,000 feet. Controller made from a GameBoy.

The level of delusion involved in boarding this craft is shocking. It’s hard not to see it as a form of suicide.

Hadn’t it made successful trips before? I agree that it was obviously taking on huge risk, but they probably saw it had been done safely before.

Also, in general we trust that something like this won't be allowed to operate without some sufficient oversight. We trust this every time we get on an airplane or buy a new car, or get on a ride at an amusement park. We trust it when we participate in anything that, of course, has risks - but aren't there guardrails in place to prevent some yahoo from simply taking $250k from whoever wants to pay it and sending them 12,500 feet down without some sort of oversight and inspection?

Of course there can always be an accident, something can always go wrong - but is the system built to go wrong? I guess it turns out it is - but I don't think it's crazy for the people who bought their seats on this doomed ride to have believed that this insane company wouldn't have been allowed to do this unless someone without a financial stake in the company thought it was safe. I know this is an extreme case - but I just don't think you can blame the people who participated for not knowing how unregulated this turned out to be. Or accuse them of wanting to die.

This is just so horrific.

And the migrant boat sinking is also horrific. It's sort of the opposite end of the same spectrum. Though I don't know anyone thinks the migrant boats are safe - it's just the people willing to take them are that desperate.

I completely disagree with everything about assuming it’s safe. At some point an individual has to take responsibility for their own safety, assess the risks and determine whether to go or not. The waiver clearly states the sub wasn’t approved by any official for safety.

It’s tragic, but those passengers assumed 100% of the risk when they got on the sub.

I don't mean to wave the flag for big government here - but that's why we have oversight and regulations. Because none of us is equipped to really gauge the safety of most things that are for sale for us to use. It's why we have the FDA - because I have no freaking idea how to determine whether a given drug is safe and effective. I am counting on experts and regulators to determine that for me. I don't know why airplanes work - in my mind, they should be crashing every day (gd forbid). Thank goodness for the FAA, full of engineers who can provide expertise where I only have imagination.

Is there really no comparable regulatory body for something like this submarine? Can any jokel off the street sell tickets to a duct taped soup can, and anyone who wants to buy them just should have known? Did they not have to get any kind if inspection or license? Like can it really be the case that you can't sell lemonade on the street without a license - but anyone can offer to take people down 12,500 feet with no oversight whatsoever?

And again - there can always be accidents. I'm sure everyone on this doomed vessel signed a waiver. But - as an American, used to our complex regulatory system, don't you sort of assume that SOMEONE gave the green light to this? It's not just some lunatic on the street, like, yelling that they'll do your surgery in their basement?

I would. I do try to exercise discretion. Like I wouldn't go on rides at a traveling carnival, because I don't think they're inspected very well. Maybe this is the submarine equivalent of a traveling carnival - but even in that case, there are inspectors at the carnival!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can dolphins swim that deep?

No

What about an orca? I'm not saying this would work, but we won't know for sure unless we try.

Ha! They are two miles deep, and the submersible has 17 outer locks in place.

They don't need to open the sub. You just take two orcas and tie a fishing net between them (maybe 50-75 feet max). The orcas then dive down, locate the sub, and scoop the ocean explorers up in the net. Then they go back to the surface and the coast guard can figure out how to get through the 17 or whatever locks.

Again, I'm not saying this will work, but it's much more worthwhile than flying a bunch of airplanes around for days.

Don't you think trolling about this is a bit ghoulish?

NP, not really. Make stupid choices win stupid prizes. I like the suggestions and haikus.

I enjoyed the comment yesterday where someone was going to donate a trip to her MIL. But sadly, some nimwad reported it.

The word is “nimrod” not “nimwad,” and the phrase is “play stupid, games win stupid prizes.” You are not only cruel, you’re stupid.

Cuántos idiomas hablas?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone thought about training a pod of dolphins to swim down and try to dislodge the tourist submarine. They are incredibly bright animals and should only take a couple of hours to train. Would be good to at least try while they wait for the ship with unmanned submersibles to arrive.

They could also consider some sort of pully with magnets, perhaps using a nearby fishing ship in the area.

It's 13000 ft into the darkest depths. No dolphin or fishing boat can navigate this. Even military submarines.

You're envisioning a fun little snorkling trip . This isn't it.

Yes, there's an excellent video circulating on Twitter that lists the depths that various marine animals and subs can swim at.

Here's a little graphic on marine animals:

I wonder what that Culiver Bearded Whale does all the way down there. It is interesting to me that animals have set depths they can dive to. Like do they each experiment and find this out on their own? Decides the pressure gets too much or they run out of O2 and have to get back. How do they know how much time it takes to get back to the surface to get air?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People have been visiting Titanic since Ballard found it. There is zero scientific value to the wreckage.

If you have the funds, it is no different than visiting the Library at Ephesus or the tomb of the holy sepelchure.

This, sad that they are lost but I don't understand why you would need to go.

Because it’s a cool thing to do and this is the first time a sub was lost.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have they tried UpUpDownDownABABStart?

Wow, thanks for making me feel like a terrible person for laughing at this.

Isn't it UpUpDownDownBABASelectStart?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:okay this is going to sound super dumb, but 2 miles below the surface didn't sound that far to me at first given we drive or even run 2 miles on a regular basis, but I guess when you factor in water pressure, the cold, and the extremity of all of it, 2 miles beneath the ocean surface really is a forbidding place. why is it that we can comprehend 2 miles in distance on land, but when you consider a depth of 2 miles, it's an overwhelming depth?

you said it, the pressure, temp change, no lights...etc. even sound travels differently in that depth

Yeah. Plus... we really know very very little about that depth of ocean.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:good to hear they have picked up banging sound. that's a very good news.

I think that was yesterdays news. I haven't heard of any current report where they are still hearing banging.

It’s terrible news also. It’s not good! It would mean, if true, that they’re alive. Which means they are going to slowly suffocate in there by tomorrow afternoon and die off one by one. The better option at this point was implosion. Instantaneous death. Because the alternative is they are underwater, conscious, in a disabled vehicle, pleading for help that can’t make it there and do anything even if they were to somehow locate them. It will have taken them about 96 hours to slowly die and be aware of it the entire time. Horrific way to go.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can dolphins swim that deep?

No

What about an orca? I'm not saying this would work, but we won't know for sure unless we try.

you are joking right??

What about two orcas connected by a string?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone thought about training a pod of dolphins to swim down and try to dislodge the tourist submarine. They are incredibly bright animals and should only take a couple of hours to train. Would be good to at least try while they wait for the ship with unmanned submersibles to arrive.

They could also consider some sort of pully with magnets, perhaps using a nearby fishing ship in the area.

It's 13000 ft into the darkest depths. No dolphin or fishing boat can navigate this. Even military submarines.

You're envisioning a fun little snorkling trip . This isn't it.

Yes, there's an excellent video circulating on Twitter that lists the depths that various marine animals and subs can swim at.

Here's a little graphic on marine animals:

I wonder what that Culiver Bearded Whale does all the way down there. It is interesting to me that animals have set depths they can dive to. Like do they each experiment and find this out on their own? Decides the pressure gets too much or they run out of O2 and have to get back. How do they know how much time it takes to get back to the surface to get air?

The ocean is really an incredible place! This is so interesting!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can dolphins swim that deep?

No

What about an orca? I'm not saying this would work, but we won't know for sure unless we try.

you are joking right??

They could grip it by the husk.

What about two orcas connected by a string?

[Anonymous]

Didn't they lose contact 1 hour and 45 minutes into the dive? How far do they get in that time? If only a small portion of the way (I'm assuming), wouldn't we assume whatever went wrong went wrong at that point? Wouldn't that point to a breach/implosion rather than getting stuck on the wreckage or whatever other nonsense?