Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:Can dolphins swim that deep?

No

What about an orca? I'm not saying this would work, but we won't know for sure unless we try.

Ha! They are two miles deep, and the submersible has 17 outer locks in place.

They don't need to open the sub. You just take two orcas and tie a fishing net between them (maybe 50-75 feet max). The orcas then dive down, locate the sub, and scoop the ocean explorers up in the net. Then they go back to the surface and the coast guard can figure out how to get through the 17 or whatever locks.

Again, I'm not saying this will work, but it's much more worthwhile than flying a bunch of airplanes around for days.

orcas don't dive down several miles.

Neither do experimental carbon fiber subs controlled by video game controllers that you buy on Amazon. But alas, here we are. I say give the orcas a shot!

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Anonymous wrote:Billionaires' descent
Titanic's watery grave calls
Lost souls, darkness claims

Don’t quit your day job.

Oh? Let's see your haiku.

NP but how about

Ocean floor is not
For people. It’s the Meg’s house.
Searches cost a lot.

Game controllers are
For video games. Use on
Your couch, not in subs.

Yes it’s ironic
To die in a sub while you
Gawk at Titanic.

Deep sea OceanGate
Titanic cruises suck. I
Want my money back.

This is good, but more prosaic, less evocative, than the previous haiku.

It is a haiku
About rich people dying
Quite expensively.

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Anonymous wrote:Can dolphins swim that deep?

No

What about an orca? I'm not saying this would work, but we won't know for sure unless we try.

Ha! They are two miles deep, and the submersible has 17 outer locks in place.

They don't need to open the sub. You just take two orcas and tie a fishing net between them (maybe 50-75 feet max). The orcas then dive down, locate the sub, and scoop the ocean explorers up in the net. Then they go back to the surface and the coast guard can figure out how to get through the 17 or whatever locks.

Again, I'm not saying this will work, but it's much more worthwhile than flying a bunch of airplanes around for days.

orcas don't dive down several miles.

Neither do experimental carbon fiber subs controlled by video game controllers that you buy on Amazon. But alas, here we are. I say give the orcas a shot!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can dolphins swim that deep?

No

What about an orca? I'm not saying this would work, but we won't know for sure unless we try.

I think we could maybe train an octopus. They’re really smart and can go deep right? I actually just read a book, which an octopus partially narrates.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone thought about training a pod of dolphins to swim down and try to dislodge the tourist submarine. They are incredibly bright animals and should only take a couple of hours to train. Would be good to at least try while they wait for the ship with unmanned submersibles to arrive.

They could also consider some sort of pully with magnets, perhaps using a nearby fishing ship in the area.

It's 13000 ft into the darkest depths. No dolphin or fishing boat can navigate this. Even military submarines.

You're envisioning a fun little snorkling trip . This isn't it.

Yes, there's an excellent video circulating on Twitter that lists the depths that various marine animals and subs can swim at.

Here's a little graphic on marine animals:

we are all learning so much.

[Anonymous]

okay this is going to sound super dumb, but 2 miles below the surface didn't sound that far to me at first given we drive or even run 2 miles on a regular basis, but I guess when you factor in water pressure, the cold, and the extremity of all of it, 2 miles beneath the ocean surface really is a forbidding place. why is it that we can comprehend 2 miles in distance on land, but when you consider a depth of 2 miles, it's an overwhelming depth?

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good to hear they have picked up banging sound. that's a very good news.

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Anonymous wrote:Can dolphins swim that deep?

No

What about an orca? I'm not saying this would work, but we won't know for sure unless we try.

Ha! They are two miles deep, and the submersible has 17 outer locks in place.

They don't need to open the sub. You just take two orcas and tie a fishing net between them (maybe 50-75 feet max). The orcas then dive down, locate the sub, and scoop the ocean explorers up in the net. Then they go back to the surface and the coast guard can figure out how to get through the 17 or whatever locks.

Again, I'm not saying this will work, but it's much more worthwhile than flying a bunch of airplanes around for days.

orcas don't dive down several miles.

Neither do experimental carbon fiber subs controlled by video game controllers that you buy on Amazon. But alas, here we are. I say give the orcas a shot!

Flipper will save them. He just squeaked to Sandy the coordinates.

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Anonymous wrote:A vehicle the size of a mini-van with a bottle and Ziploc bags for a toilet. Viewing portal tested to 1400 meters’ depth and they were going down 14,000 feet. Controller made from a GameBoy.

The level of delusion involved in boarding this craft is shocking. It’s hard not to see it as a form of suicide.

Hadn’t it made successful trips before? I agree that it was obviously taking on huge risk, but they probably saw it had been done safely before.

Also, in general we trust that something like this won't be allowed to operate without some sufficient oversight. We trust this every time we get on an airplane or buy a new car, or get on a ride at an amusement park. We trust it when we participate in anything that, of course, has risks - but aren't there guardrails in place to prevent some yahoo from simply taking $250k from whoever wants to pay it and sending them 12,500 feet down without some sort of oversight and inspection?

Of course there can always be an accident, something can always go wrong - but is the system built to go wrong? I guess it turns out it is - but I don't think it's crazy for the people who bought their seats on this doomed ride to have believed that this insane company wouldn't have been allowed to do this unless someone without a financial stake in the company thought it was safe. I know this is an extreme case - but I just don't think you can blame the people who participated for not knowing how unregulated this turned out to be. Or accuse them of wanting to die.

This is just so horrific.

And the migrant boat sinking is also horrific. It's sort of the opposite end of the same spectrum. Though I don't know anyone thinks the migrant boats are safe - it's just the people willing to take them are that desperate.

That’s a strange series of analogies to me. Cars and airplanes and amusement park rides slide past our risk calculations because they are so commonly used and enjoyed.

But this submersible is nothing like that. It’s an *unusual* thing, and the fact that it was essentially unregulated was no more obscure or difficult to come by than the opportunity itself.

Think about it another way: would you drive a car with a GameBoy controller as the steering wheel? And a car is on land, where you could readily stop and disembark.

The extent to which these folks were not thinking with the tools commonly used by the rest of us is shocking. In that way it is remarkably similar to the tragedy of the Titanic itself.

I understand what PP is getting at. We do, especially in this country and in our relatively educated/well off circles, assume that there is some minimal level of oversight, regulation... yes, even in unusual situations. Sounds like there was a lot of money, expertise, etc. that went into this mission. I don't know if the passengers were thinking of this vessel as "controlled by a GameBoy controller."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s no way they are alive. This speculation is ridiculous .

how do you know this for certain?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:okay this is going to sound super dumb, but 2 miles below the surface didn't sound that far to me at first given we drive or even run 2 miles on a regular basis, but I guess when you factor in water pressure, the cold, and the extremity of all of it, 2 miles beneath the ocean surface really is a forbidding place. why is it that we can comprehend 2 miles in distance on land, but when you consider a depth of 2 miles, it's an overwhelming depth?

you said it, the pressure, temp change, no lights...etc. even sound travels differently in that depth

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Anonymous wrote:good to hear they have picked up banging sound. that's a very good news.

I think that was yesterdays news. I haven't heard of any current report where they are still hearing banging.

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Anonymous wrote:Can dolphins swim that deep?

No

What about an orca? I'm not saying this would work, but we won't know for sure unless we try.

Ha! They are two miles deep, and the submersible has 17 outer locks in place.

Why 17 outside locks? 17 seems a bit arbitrary.

Sounds like they might have needed 18, or even 20.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:okay this is going to sound super dumb, but 2 miles below the surface didn't sound that far to me at first given we drive or even run 2 miles on a regular basis, but I guess when you factor in water pressure, the cold, and the extremity of all of it, 2 miles beneath the ocean surface really is a forbidding place. why is it that we can comprehend 2 miles in distance on land, but when you consider a depth of 2 miles, it's an overwhelming depth?

Yes. It is really incredibly deep. I think it’s incomprehensible because it’s just THAT deep. Most human would freak out being even 200-300 feet deep in water. This is ten times that. Really unfathomable.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can dolphins swim that deep?

No

What about an orca? I'm not saying this would work, but we won't know for sure unless we try.

Ha! They are two miles deep, and the submersible has 17 outer locks in place.

They don't need to open the sub. You just take two orcas and tie a fishing net between them (maybe 50-75 feet max). The orcas then dive down, locate the sub, and scoop the ocean explorers up in the net. Then they go back to the surface and the coast guard can figure out how to get through the 17 or whatever locks.

Again, I'm not saying this will work, but it's much more worthwhile than flying a bunch of airplanes around for days.

orcas don't dive down several miles.

Neither do experimental carbon fiber subs controlled by video game controllers that you buy on Amazon. But alas, here we are. I say give the orcas a shot!

This plan has about as much forethought as the movie Faceoff, and it was successful, so sure, let’s do this. The fact that something is impossible should never stop us from trying (and by trying I mean posting on an anonymous message board about how scientists should be building a team of search and rescue orcas). I bet they’d be good for deep space rescues when we start manned missions. Isn’t deep space and deep sea practically the same thing?