Here is why we should close schools now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am okay with closure (in fact think it is prudent) but I really wish the pro-closure posters on this thread didn't sound so much like they do not give a crap about anyone who isn't a suburban mom holing up in her giant house. They leave the impression they don't care about janitors, or restaurant workers, or bus drivers, or really anyone who faces eviction, loss of health insurance, or bankruptcy if they can't pay their rent.

Anything to help the elderly hang on a little longer.

Will be interesting to see what happens in the other countries if/when they reopen the schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is a week old but here is an explanation of what South Korea has been doing to get their cases under control.

They did close schools but are providing emergency child care for those who need it.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/south-koreas-drastic-measures-coronavirus-offers-glimpse-us/story?id=69383034

Since this virus isn't that dangerous to our youngest adults, I could see us putting something together like that.

Close schools officially so no usual curriculum, testing or IEP requirements. School is closed.

However, students may register at their NEAREST local school (by appropriate age -- elem, middle) within walking distance (usually) for emergency child care. They are cared for in groups of no more than 10 per classroom.

teachers who volunteer for assignment receive double or triple pay hazard. Pay for this with reduced gas consumption.

So everyone is still out mixing except some teachers. You are really grasping at straws here.

Huh? I'm basing this off of what they are doing in S. Korea. Implement multiple measures.

Close all schools. Shut down all recreation in the city. Everyone telework who possibly can. Everyone stay home if they can. Fines or prison for people who do not follow the rules -- no teens congregating at the mall.

Leave home only for work (essential work -- not party planning or gyms) and to go grocery shopping. Yes that's going to be people out and about.

People said "But what about the nurses who have children they can't leave?" Create emergency day cares as S Korea did in the now empty elementary schools. It could be done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question for those who are opposed to school closures because of the potential (inevitable?) disruption to healthcare due to nurses not having childcare:

What do you think of those who can keeping their children home? Do you think they have a responsibility to do so? Do you think it would make a difference?

I defer to people who have studied this a lot more than I have.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/03/09/is-it-really-good-idea-close-schools-fight-coronavirus/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if? What if we are making wrong assumptions regarding kids safety?

Here is why..we all tend to question chinese data.

However we tend to rely on the reports that kids are safe and mortality in the up to 9 is zero and 2 per thousand in 9 to 19 group.
But have you seen Wuhan? All sealed. From early on. People completely sealed at homes. So yes and perhaps if you kept kids religiously isolated then you sure could have some good results. But we are NOT doing any of this and not as early as they did it.
Can we and should we expect the same results???

And even they admit to over 1500 kids with the most severe cases.

Where are you seeing this? Are you sure you're getting correct info?

Last I checked there was exactly 1 death in the 9 to 19 group and the death rate in that age group is probably vastly inflated because of all the undiagnosed and asymptomatic cases.

That poster doesn’t give a damn about correct info. She’s doing everything she can to whip people into a frenzy, regardless of facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is a week old but here is an explanation of what South Korea has been doing to get their cases under control.

They did close schools but are providing emergency child care for those who need it.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/south-koreas-drastic-measures-coronavirus-offers-glimpse-us/story?id=69383034

Since this virus isn't that dangerous to our youngest adults, I could see us putting something together like that.

Close schools officially so no usual curriculum, testing or IEP requirements. School is closed.

However, students may register at their NEAREST local school (by appropriate age -- elem, middle) within walking distance (usually) for emergency child care. They are cared for in groups of no more than 10 per classroom.

teachers who volunteer for assignment receive double or triple pay hazard. Pay for this with reduced gas consumption.

So everyone is still out mixing except some teachers. You are really grasping at straws here.

Huh? I'm basing this off of what they are doing in S. Korea. Implement multiple measures.

Close all schools. Shut down all recreation in the city. Everyone telework who possibly can. Everyone stay home if they can. Fines or prison for people who do not follow the rules -- no teens congregating at the mall.

Leave home only for work (essential work -- not party planning or gyms) and to go grocery shopping. Yes that's going to be people out and about.

People said "But what about the nurses who have children they can't leave?" Create emergency day cares as S Korea did in the now empty elementary schools. It could be done.

You have way more faith in our government than I do at the moment. We are completely unprepared to enact the measures you are suggesting.

[Anonymous]

They need to close the schools in the DMV now.

[Anonymous]

Listen to the doctors - this is an open Facebook post from a doctor in LA treating CV patients:

https://www.facebook.com/drsamfink/posts/10213560620330340

I haven't posted much other than memes lately, but as a primary care physician practicing in Tarzana, I wanted to give you my experience, and information that I know to be true. I won't mention hand washing or sanitizers, or things that everyone obviously knows, as there is plenty of information about this already.

I have two patients right now with CV, one hospitalized, and one not, and am close to a third patient. Essentially, 14 men went on a ski trip to Northern Italy. All have become ill, and all 14 have tested positive for CV. Of the 14, 4 needed to be hospitalized, and of the 4 patients, 3 are very ill as I write this. One had a significant pre-existing medical condition. The other 3 did not, and are relatively young. The news today out of Northern Italy is not good.

I have practiced for over 30 years, and have seen it all, or so I thought. Nothing has worried me like this. I recommend to all who read this that you avoid going to large group events such as sporting events, and concerts. I believe that all schools should be closed immediately and classes conducted online, which is relatively simple. I know that so far, children infected with CV have done relatively well, but they might come home and hug Grandpa, who won't do so well. Avoid contact with others as much as possible. CV in the United States is at a relatively early stage, but it won't last there for long. Make sure you have any medications you need, as well as supplies, but panicking hurts all of us.

My biggest hope is that I am totally wrong, and that you will all wonder in a few weeks what the hell I was talking about. But I have a pretty good track record, and I think you should take steps now to protect yourselves and your family. There is little cost to taking extra precaution right now, and the earlier, the better.

Feel free to share.

Sam Fink, M.D.
Fellow, American College of Physicians

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


Huh? I'm basing this off of what they are doing in S. Korea. Implement multiple measures.

Close all schools. Shut down all recreation in the city. Everyone telework who possibly can. Everyone stay home if they can. Fines or prison for people who do not follow the rules -- no teens congregating at the mall.

Leave home only for work (essential work -- not party planning or gyms) and to go grocery shopping. Yes that's going to be people out and about.

People said "But what about the nurses who have children they can't leave?" Create emergency day cares as S Korea did in the now empty elementary schools. It could be done.

New poster here

Who would work in these "emergency daycares?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is a week old but here is an explanation of what South Korea has been doing to get their cases under control.

They did close schools but are providing emergency child care for those who need it.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/south-koreas-drastic-measures-coronavirus-offers-glimpse-us/story?id=69383034

Since this virus isn't that dangerous to our youngest adults, I could see us putting something together like that.

Close schools officially so no usual curriculum, testing or IEP requirements. School is closed.

However, students may register at their NEAREST local school (by appropriate age -- elem, middle) within walking distance (usually) for emergency child care. They are cared for in groups of no more than 10 per classroom.

teachers who volunteer for assignment receive double or triple pay hazard. Pay for this with reduced gas consumption.

So everyone is still out mixing except some teachers. You are really grasping at straws here.

Huh? I'm basing this off of what they are doing in S. Korea. Implement multiple measures.

Close all schools. Shut down all recreation in the city. Everyone telework who possibly can. Everyone stay home if they can. Fines or prison for people who do not follow the rules -- no teens congregating at the mall.

Leave home only for work (essential work -- not party planning or gyms) and to go grocery shopping. Yes that's going to be people out and about.

People said "But what about the nurses who have children they can't leave?" Create emergency day cares as S Korea did in the now empty elementary schools. It could be done.

How do you handle the income for all the people who will lose their jobs?
Let's just take a single entity of your post: the gym. You have to close all the gyms. So right there the front desk staffers lose their jobs. The instructors. The custodians. How do they survive?
And you can extrapolate this to countless lines of work---vast sectors of society have no ability to telework and will lose all income.

So they you have the white collar class still drawing an income from the sanctuary of their homes and then the entire lower class drawing 1) no income at all or 2)still working in the middle of the virus because their jobs are vital for society--someone has to sell the groceries, check in people at the hospitals, work the gas stations, work at the sewage treatment plants, and on and on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is a week old but here is an explanation of what South Korea has been doing to get their cases under control.

They did close schools but are providing emergency child care for those who need it.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/south-koreas-drastic-measures-coronavirus-offers-glimpse-us/story?id=69383034

Since this virus isn't that dangerous to our youngest adults, I could see us putting something together like that.

Close schools officially so no usual curriculum, testing or IEP requirements. School is closed.

However, students may register at their NEAREST local school (by appropriate age -- elem, middle) within walking distance (usually) for emergency child care. They are cared for in groups of no more than 10 per classroom.

teachers who volunteer for assignment receive double or triple pay hazard. Pay for this with reduced gas consumption.

So everyone is still out mixing except some teachers. You are really grasping at straws here.

Huh? I'm basing this off of what they are doing in S. Korea. Implement multiple measures.

Close all schools. Shut down all recreation in the city. Everyone telework who possibly can. Everyone stay home if they can. Fines or prison for people who do not follow the rules -- no teens congregating at the mall.

Leave home only for work (essential work -- not party planning or gyms) and to go grocery shopping. Yes that's going to be people out and about.

People said "But what about the nurses who have children they can't leave?" Create emergency day cares as S Korea did in the now empty elementary schools. It could be done.

How do you handle the income for all the people who will lose their jobs?
Let's just take a single entity of your post: the gym. You have to close all the gyms. So right there the front desk staffers lose their jobs. The instructors. The custodians. How do they survive?
And you can extrapolate this to countless lines of work---vast sectors of society have no ability to telework and will lose all income.

So they you have the white collar class still drawing an income from the sanctuary of their homes and then the entire lower class drawing 1) no income at all or 2)still working in the middle of the virus because their jobs are vital for society--someone has to sell the groceries, check in people at the hospitals, work the gas stations, work at the sewage treatment plants, and on and on.

I don't know the correct term, but there is a "stimulus plan" that is being proposed right now to help the people in cases like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Closing schools is total stupidity/insanity. At risk people should quarantine themselves. Lighting the entire economy & culture on fire so that an 80 year old can make it to 81 without quarantining themselves is the height of stupidity.

Your theories are so fantastic. I would love to hear many more. But for now...

Close to 40% of maryland residents are in the risk groups due to the age alone, add to it younger people with asthma, hypertension, smokers etc... and you go easily over 60%.

Pray tell how this will work in your world when all the parents, teachers, doctors and nurses self isolate onlu to avoid exposure to their kids bringing virus from school and taking it to school being secret spreaders...?

Closing schools is super easy and effective method comparing to the hot mess you are proposing.

If your plan were a chicken, it would have no head and no legs.

Nurse here. If schools close, I will either have to not go in or send the kids to the grandparents until the schools re-open. I have local "backup" for occasional weather days, not weeks. Since you are such an expert, which do you advise that I do?

I am so sorry, I appreciate your hard work, I was kind of sarcastic thinking it was one of the usual smug trolls. I hear you.
I think that this is not just your problem therefore abroad solution is needed. The government must have some plan for this because there are million people in the exact position.

This is not ideal but better then schools fully opened, better then all the kids exposed or parents quitting jobs if school closes cold turkey.

Someone posted this few minutes ago:
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So this is a week old but here is an explanation of what South Korea has been doing to get their cases under control.

They did close schools but are providing emergency child care for those who need it.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/south-koreas-drastic-measures-coronavirus-offers-glimpse-us/story?id=69383034

Since this virus isn't that dangerous to our youngest adults, I could see us putting something together like that.

Close schools officially so no usual curriculum, testing or IEP requirements. School is closed.

However, students may register at their NEAREST local school (by appropriate age -- elem, middle) within walking distance (usually) for emergency child care. They are cared for in groups of no more than 10 per classroom.

teachers who volunteer for assignment receive double or triple pay hazard. Pay for this with reduced gas consumption.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if? What if we are making wrong assumptions regarding kids safety?

Here is why..we all tend to question chinese data.

However we tend to rely on the reports that kids are safe and mortality in the up to 9 is zero and 2 per thousand in 9 to 19 group.
But have you seen Wuhan? All sealed. From early on. People completely sealed at homes. So yes and perhaps if you kept kids religiously isolated then you sure could have some good results. But we are NOT doing any of this and not as early as they did it.
Can we and should we expect the same results???

And even they admit to over 1500 kids with the most severe cases.

Where are you seeing this? Are you sure you're getting correct info?

Last I checked there was exactly 1 death in the 9 to 19 group and the death rate in that age group is probably vastly inflated because of all the undiagnosed and asymptomatic cases.

This is their official data, 0.2% For 9 to 19 group.
This means, 2 kids per thousand, if they had total of 80 000 people then 0.2 % of that is 2 in every of 80 000 meaning 1600 deaths.

[Anonymous]

There have been enough clues and rumblings from the schools in Arlington that I think they’ll be closing soon. In any case, they’re getting ready to pull the trigger. Making sure students have WiFi access and all that.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if? What if we are making wrong assumptions regarding kids safety?

Here is why..we all tend to question chinese data.

However we tend to rely on the reports that kids are safe and mortality in the up to 9 is zero and 2 per thousand in 9 to 19 group.
But have you seen Wuhan? All sealed. From early on. People completely sealed at homes. So yes and perhaps if you kept kids religiously isolated then you sure could have some good results. But we are NOT doing any of this and not as early as they did it.
Can we and should we expect the same results???

And even they admit to over 1500 kids with the most severe cases.

Where are you seeing this? Are you sure you're getting correct info?

Last I checked there was exactly 1 death in the 9 to 19 group and the death rate in that age group is probably vastly inflated because of all the undiagnosed and asymptomatic cases.

This is their official data, 0.2% For 9 to 19 group.
This means, 2 kids per thousand, if they had total of 80 000 people then 0.2 % of that is 2 in every of 80 000 meaning 1600 deaths.

These are diagnosed cases. Most cases in kids are not diagnosed, making the percentage much, much smaller.