Here is why we should close schools now.

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Anonymous wrote:So this is a week old but here is an explanation of what South Korea has been doing to get their cases under control.

They did close schools but are providing emergency child care for those who need it.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/south-koreas-drastic-measures-coronavirus-offers-glimpse-us/story?id=69383034

Since this virus isn't that dangerous to our youngest adults, I could see us putting something together like that.

Close schools officially so no usual curriculum, testing or IEP requirements. School is closed.

However, students may register at their NEAREST local school (by appropriate age -- elem, middle) within walking distance (usually) for emergency child care. They are cared for in groups of no more than 10 per classroom.

teachers who volunteer for assignment receive double or triple pay hazard. Pay for this with reduced gas consumption.

So everyone is still out mixing except some teachers. You are really grasping at straws here.

Huh? I'm basing this off of what they are doing in S. Korea. Implement multiple measures.

Close all schools. Shut down all recreation in the city. Everyone telework who possibly can. Everyone stay home if they can. Fines or prison for people who do not follow the rules -- no teens congregating at the mall.

Leave home only for work (essential work -- not party planning or gyms) and to go grocery shopping. Yes that's going to be people out and about.

People said "But what about the nurses who have children they can't leave?" Create emergency day cares as S Korea did in the now empty elementary schools. It could be done.

How do you handle the income for all the people who will lose their jobs?
Let's just take a single entity of your post: the gym. You have to close all the gyms. So right there the front desk staffers lose their jobs. The instructors. The custodians. How do they survive?
And you can extrapolate this to countless lines of work---vast sectors of society have no ability to telework and will lose all income.

So they you have the white collar class still drawing an income from the sanctuary of their homes and then the entire lower class drawing 1) no income at all or 2)still working in the middle of the virus because their jobs are vital for society--someone has to sell the groceries, check in people at the hospitals, work the gas stations, work at the sewage treatment plants, and on and on.

I don't know the correct term, but there is a "stimulus plan" that is being proposed right now to help the people in cases like this.

LMAO- the payroll tax cut?

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Anonymous wrote:What if? What if we are making wrong assumptions regarding kids safety?

Here is why..we all tend to question chinese data.

However we tend to rely on the reports that kids are safe and mortality in the up to 9 is zero and 2 per thousand in 9 to 19 group.
But have you seen Wuhan? All sealed. From early on. People completely sealed at homes. So yes and perhaps if you kept kids religiously isolated then you sure could have some good results. But we are NOT doing any of this and not as early as they did it.
Can we and should we expect the same results???

And even they admit to over 1500 kids with the most severe cases.

Where are you seeing this? Are you sure you're getting correct info?

Last I checked there was exactly 1 death in the 9 to 19 group and the death rate in that age group is probably vastly inflated because of all the undiagnosed and asymptomatic cases.

This is their official data, 0.2% For 9 to 19 group.
This means, 2 kids per thousand, if they had total of 80 000 people then 0.2 % of that is 2 in every of 80 000 meaning 1600 deaths.

These are diagnosed cases. Most cases in kids are not diagnosed, making the percentage much, much smaller.

...and making the number of kids spreading the virus much, much higher.

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To put things in perspective Montgomery county school system aka MCPS. has 169 000 students.. if all got sick, and death rste kept you would end up with more then 3200 dead children. What if we loose only one child.. which one.... do you see what I mean?

It is not true that kids are safe and immune. Kids with asthma, diabetes , heart issues, lung issues, obesity, smokers, vapers.. you name it.. all they are in high risk group.

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How do you handle the income for all the people who will lose their jobs?
Let's just take a single entity of your post: the gym. You have to close all the gyms. So right there the front desk staffers lose their jobs. The instructors. The custodians. How do they survive?
And you can extrapolate this to countless lines of work---vast sectors of society have no ability to telework and will lose all income.

So they you have the white collar class still drawing an income from the sanctuary of their homes and then the entire lower class drawing 1) no income at all or 2)still working in the middle of the virus because their jobs are vital for society--someone has to sell the groceries, check in people at the hospitals, work the gas stations, work at the sewage treatment plants, and on and on.

I mean, how are the poor tourist related businesses handling the shut down right now? No one wants to take a trip, cruise industry is going to hurt; at least one airline is going out of business.

And that's without anyone officially shutting them down!

Yes a pandemic is a huge economic problem.

Why do you think stocks are tanking? It's a big huge economic catastrophe.

Even without officially shutting things down businesses will hurt. Even without shutting schools down, schools will close.

The idea is to do it ahead of time before things spread too far. Unfortunately most areas just aren't willing to do that.

The countries with experience with SARS seem to be the best able to react more quickly.

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What is the seasonal flu mortality rate for kids ages 9-19?

Is it lower than .2%

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China closed all schools BEFORE it was bad, on 1/22/2020, day 1 of Wuhan's Quarantine, my hometown province had 0 confirmed cases, yet all schools were immediately closed. Japan, S Korea, and many other countries have closed schools. What are we waiting for??? Till at least a child is dead from the wuhan virus? till it's too late? 2 weeks from now we will all regret...

2 weeks ago, Italy had 100 cases, look at it now, whole country is shut down.

Harvard just told students to pack up and leave in 5 days and not return after spring break, all classes will be online.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the seasonal flu mortality rate for kids ages 9-19?

Is it lower than .2%

It is exactly 0.2% = 2 in a 1000

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Anonymous wrote:I am okay with closure (in fact think it is prudent) but I really wish the pro-closure posters on this thread didn't sound so much like they do not give a crap about anyone who isn't a suburban mom holing up in her giant house. They leave the impression they don't care about janitors, or restaurant workers, or bus drivers, or really anyone who faces eviction, loss of health insurance, or bankruptcy if they can't pay their rent.

Because they don’t.

That is absolutely not true. I wonder why working parents cannot creatively piece together childcare with friends/family -- surely they would be able to find a teenager or college student to watch their kids? Or pool together with another parent to coordinate childcare? Or ask their employer to help by allowing them to bring their child to their workplace? Or approach their local church for help with childcare for the days they cannot get help from other sources?

Yes, I have worked as a waitress for many years prior to marriage and kids. I know it is difficult, but this blanket statement that "noone cares about the working class" is just so irresponsible and ridiculous.

Well, you just demonstrated the point that you don't give a crap in this post, so I think the ship has sailed as far as pretending you care about anyone else. Literally every single one of your examples will have kids and teens be out and about, thus defeating the point of school closures but causing massive hardship. All you obviously want is for your kids to have excused absences so they don't ruin their GPA while holing up in your mansion, but you do not care about the working class. Ugh.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the seasonal flu mortality rate for kids ages 9-19?

Is it lower than .2%

It is exactly 0.2% = 2 in a 1000

Sorry, I thought you were asking about CV.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who are opposed to school closures because of the potential (inevitable?) disruption to healthcare due to nurses not having childcare:

What do you think of those who can keeping their children home? Do you think they have a responsibility to do so? Do you think it would make a difference?

I defer to people who have studied this a lot more than I have.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/03/09/is-it-really-good-idea-close-schools-fight-coronavirus/

I have read that but I didn’t see anything about individual parents making the decision for their kids. Did I miss something?

Also I so appreciate your “I defer to people who have studied this a lot more than I have approach.” I wish more people did that!

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Huh? I'm basing this off of what they are doing in S. Korea. Implement multiple measures.

Close all schools. Shut down all recreation in the city. Everyone telework who possibly can. Everyone stay home if they can. Fines or prison for people who do not follow the rules -- no teens congregating at the mall.

Leave home only for work (essential work -- not party planning or gyms) and to go grocery shopping. Yes that's going to be people out and about.

People said "But what about the nurses who have children they can't leave?" Create emergency day cares as S Korea did in the now empty elementary schools. It could be done.

New poster here

Who would work in these "emergency daycares?"

Please go back and read the original post. I think it’s actually a good idea. South Korea’s response has been well done.

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Huh? I'm basing this off of what they are doing in S. Korea. Implement multiple measures.

Close all schools. Shut down all recreation in the city. Everyone telework who possibly can. Everyone stay home if they can. Fines or prison for people who do not follow the rules -- no teens congregating at the mall.

Leave home only for work (essential work -- not party planning or gyms) and to go grocery shopping. Yes that's going to be people out and about.

People said "But what about the nurses who have children they can't leave?" Create emergency day cares as S Korea did in the now empty elementary schools. It could be done.

New poster here

Who would work in these "emergency daycares?"

In Hong Kong, despite the schools being closed, a few teachers show up and watch over those students who couldn't find options for care at home. The teachers do their online lessons and a couple kids watch in person and the others all watch online.

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Anonymous wrote:Listen to the doctors - this is an open Facebook post from a doctor in LA treating CV patients:

https://www.facebook.com/drsamfink/posts/10213560620330340

I haven't posted much other than memes lately, but as a primary care physician practicing in Tarzana, I wanted to give you my experience, and information that I know to be true. I won't mention hand washing or sanitizers, or things that everyone obviously knows, as there is plenty of information about this already.

I have two patients right now with CV, one hospitalized, and one not, and am close to a third patient. Essentially, 14 men went on a ski trip to Northern Italy. All have become ill, and all 14 have tested positive for CV. Of the 14, 4 needed to be hospitalized, and of the 4 patients, 3 are very ill as I write this. One had a significant pre-existing medical condition. The other 3 did not, and are relatively young. The news today out of Northern Italy is not good.

I have practiced for over 30 years, and have seen it all, or so I thought. Nothing has worried me like this. I recommend to all who read this that you avoid going to large group events such as sporting events, and concerts. I believe that all schools should be closed immediately and classes conducted online, which is relatively simple. I know that so far, children infected with CV have done relatively well, but they might come home and hug Grandpa, who won't do so well. Avoid contact with others as much as possible. CV in the United States is at a relatively early stage, but it won't last there for long. Make sure you have any medications you need, as well as supplies, but panicking hurts all of us.

My biggest hope is that I am totally wrong, and that you will all wonder in a few weeks what the hell I was talking about. But I have a pretty good track record, and I think you should take steps now to protect yourselves and your family. There is little cost to taking extra precaution right now, and the earlier, the better.

Feel free to share.

Sam Fink, M.D.
Fellow, American College of Physicians

Wow that dude is quite the Zionist from just the few posts he has public in his fb page. I wish he seemed a little more professional. I would share it if it seemed like it was coming from a better source.

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Anonymous wrote:To put things in perspective Montgomery county school system aka MCPS. has 169 000 students.. if all got sick, and death rste kept you would end up with more then 3200 dead children. What if we loose only one child.. which one.... do you see what I mean?

It is not true that kids are safe and immune. Kids with asthma, diabetes , heart issues, lung issues, obesity, smokers, vapers.. you name it.. all they are in high risk group.

I'm confused. I thought there were no documented moralities for kids under 10?

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Huh? I'm basing this off of what they are doing in S. Korea. Implement multiple measures.

Close all schools. Shut down all recreation in the city. Everyone telework who possibly can. Everyone stay home if they can. Fines or prison for people who do not follow the rules -- no teens congregating at the mall.

Leave home only for work (essential work -- not party planning or gyms) and to go grocery shopping. Yes that's going to be people out and about.

People said "But what about the nurses who have children they can't leave?" Create emergency day cares as S Korea did in the now empty elementary schools. It could be done.

New poster here

Who would work in these "emergency daycares?"

Please go back and read the original post. I think it’s actually a good idea. South Korea’s response has been well done.

Essential work is about 40% of our modern economy, thankfully. But even BS jobs pay real salaries, also thankfully.