Here is why we should close schools now.
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Anonymous
Are you local? MD, DC, VA? |
Anonymous
so janitor and restaurant workers must work to pay rent but when they die then what happens? |
Anonymous
Yes, we are local in the DMV area. |
Anonymous
NP. That’s interesting. I work at an MD hospital and haven’t seen any cases that I suspect are the Coronavirus. In fact, I’ve been surprised how few patients I’ve seen with respiratory symptoms. |
Anonymous
I also posted about quarantining in another thread: It’s more complex than that. Automatically quarantining people without knowledge of the mode of transmission, and without considering the psychological and social effects, which impact on compliance, may be ineffective and it may be unwarranted. The example of SARS and the attempt in Toronto to control it with mass quarantine - 100 people for every SARS case. It didn’t work in the case of SARS because it was being transmitted mostly at hospitals, not in the community, it was infectious only when the patient was clinically ill, and only about half the people complied. It was health care workers providing care for these patients, before PPE became standard, who were at risk. SARS led to the now mandatory practice of PPE in care facilities. BUT, this is NOT to say that it shouldn’t be done for Coronavirus. All I’m saying that we should NOT jump to the conclusion that mass quarantine will stop an outbreak. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2094974/#B6 An outbreak should meet the following three criteria for quarantine to be a useful measure of disease control: first, people likely to be incubating the infection must be efficiently and effectively identified; second, those people must comply with the conditions of quarantine; and third, the infectious disease in question must be transmissible in its presymptomatic or early symptomatic stages. The use of quarantine in the Toronto outbreak failed on all three counts. SARS quarantine in Toronto was both inefficient and ineffective. It was massive in scale. Toronto public health authorities quarantined approximately 100 people for each SARS case, while Beijing public health quarantined about 12 people for each SARS case. An analysis of the efficiency of quarantine in the Beijing outbreak conducted by the American Centers for Disease Control and Prevention concluded that quarantine could have been reduced by two-thirds (four people per SARS case), without compromising effectiveness if authorities had "focused only on persons who had contact with an actively ill SARS patient" (2). |
Anonymous
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So this is a week old but here is an explanation of what South Korea has been doing to get their cases under control.
They did close schools but are providing emergency child care for those who need it. https://abcnews.go.com/International/south-koreas-drastic-measures-coronavirus-offers-glimpse-us/story?id=69383034 Since this virus isn't that dangerous to our youngest adults, I could see us putting something together like that. Close schools officially so no usual curriculum, testing or IEP requirements. School is closed. However, students may register at their NEAREST local school (by appropriate age -- elem, middle) within walking distance (usually) for emergency child care. They are cared for in groups of no more than 10 per classroom. teachers who volunteer for assignment receive double or triple pay hazard. Pay for this with reduced gas consumption. |
Anonymous
No OP read all the thread, many caring people. Most of as is brainstorming how to make it work with everyone in mind. Closing cold turkey hurts a lot of people, keeping open potentially hurts everybody. Ever since the discussion begun there has been a progress made. It is clear this is a national scope. Big gov needs to step in and they are doing it. Some packages and stimulus and such are in the works to protect jobs and provide funds for everyone to survive hardships. Schools are working how to keep families feed by different means including pantries and local centers. We are in this together. We all depend on each other in an ordinary time and even more so we need to stick together to avoid loss of life either by the means of the disease, the inadequate prevention, lack of preparation, mutual exposure or starvation. Closing the schools is important first step and easy way to cut the gigantic amount of cross exposure of everyone. However it is also easier said then done as we all are just learning the mountains of logistics and how seemingly simple acts affect so many. Every solution comes with problems just like every problem can have a solution... We are all learning the ropes here. We are also learning to be patient and wait for everyone to jump the boat before boat sails away. Again, lots of caring people. |
Anonymous
Good ideas here. |
Anonymous
Scary.. did they died already? |
Anonymous
And even they admit to over 1500 kids with the most severe cases. |
Anonymous
Where are you seeing this? Are you sure you're getting correct info? Last I checked there was exactly 1 death in the 9 to 19 group and the death rate in that age group is probably vastly inflated because of all the undiagnosed and asymptomatic cases. |
Anonymous
Nurse here. If schools close, I will either have to not go in or send the kids to the grandparents until the schools re-open. I have local "backup" for occasional weather days, not weeks. Since you are such an expert, which do you advise that I do? |
Anonymous
I am really concerned about our reliance on chinese data alone comes to the safety of the kids. We believe their stats, but how accurate they are? We compare their total hermetic lock down and complete isolation to our zero prevention and business as usual?.. They closed all schools immediately, they isolated kids with their families in their apartments and there was ZERO contact or transmission between the kids. STILL ... if they claim 0.2 % mortality for 9 to 19 group, that is 2 kids per each 1000 cases. So if they had 80 000 cases in total in China and mostly Wuhan, then they must have lost 160 children age 9 to 19 |
Anonymous
So everyone is still out mixing except some teachers. You are really grasping at straws here. |
Anonymous
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Question for those who are opposed to school closures because of the potential (inevitable?) disruption to healthcare due to nurses not having childcare:
What do you think of those who can keeping their children home? Do you think they have a responsibility to do so? Do you think it would make a difference? |