Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these comments and knowing these folks are the ones molding their kids mentality is scary

Can't get good teammates out of this batch

I agree! The people saying that is ok to play down and that college coaches wont care if your kid is playing on a grade down tean are ridiculious. Its scary thinking about the excuses they must be telling their kids.

Kids are being compared to other kids in their graduating year.
That's how college's recruit.

They're also being compared to transfer portal players. So its not just the players in their grade. There's also competition from players 1-3 maybe even 4 years older that are already playing in college.

That makes grade even less relevant than it already is

Talent, potential and college start date is all that matters

So you're theory is that because players are competing against other players 1-4 (maybe more) years older than they are for a college roster spot that somehow playing down againt younger players in high school will prepare them to play at a higher level.

You really think coaches wont notice that players are playing down a grade.

Colleges don't recruit soccer players from High School
What decade are you living in?

If you're a U16 playing U15, the only person you're fooling is yourself, because no College wants you.

You're calling a fact a theory.
If not talent, potential and graduating year, what are colleges looking at?

It is merely your opinion or belief or theory until you present evidence.

Which is why everyone realizes that you are pissing in the wind right now. Especially considering people present multiple cases of kids getting recruited now and in the past in what could be considered the natural grade such as transfers, international students, hold backs, etc.

You are trying to hypothesizing for a status shift that only youth soccer year played during their whole youth career matters for recruiting without any backing material or citations or data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these comments and knowing these folks are the ones molding their kids mentality is scary

Can't get good teammates out of this batch

I agree! The people saying that is ok to play down and that college coaches wont care if your kid is playing on a grade down tean are ridiculious. Its scary thinking about the excuses they must be telling their kids.

Kids are being compared to other kids in their graduating year.
That's how college's recruit.

They're also being compared to transfer portal players. So its not just the players in their grade. There's also competition from players 1-3 maybe even 4 years older that are already playing in college.

That makes grade even less relevant than it already is

Talent, potential and college start date is all that matters

So you're theory is that because players are competing against other players 1-4 (maybe more) years older than they are for a college roster spot that somehow playing down againt younger players in high school will prepare them to play at a higher level.

You really think coaches wont notice that players are playing down a grade.

Colleges don't recruit soccer players from High School
What decade are you living in?

If you're a U16 playing U15, the only person you're fooling is yourself, because no College wants you.

You're calling a fact a theory.
If not talent, potential and graduating year, what are colleges looking at?

It is merely your opinion or belief or theory until you present evidence.

Which is why everyone realizes that you are pissing in the wind right now. Especially considering people present multiple cases of kids getting recruited now and in the past in what could be considered the natural grade such as transfers, international students, hold backs, etc.

You are trying to hypothesizing for a status shift that only youth soccer year played during their whole youth career matters for recruiting without any backing material or citations or data.

You're obviously responding to the wrong poster

[Anonymous]

Here's more evidence that echoes Arlington that this will be case-by-case ... From City SC, of Carlsbad, CA: https://ourcitysc.com/docs/age_group_changes.pdf

What is the club policy on players “playing up?”
Our club policy on playing up remains unchanged. Regardless of age group cutoffs,
opportunities to “play up” will continue to be considered on a case by case basis and will
be at the discretion of the coaches and directors based on our professional assessment
of what is in the best interest of each individual player. Decisions regarding “playing up”
will be discussed with parents individually and will be made in advance of tryouts.

● We are auditing all rosters to understand which age group each player will fall into
next year and to guide decisions regarding which age group will be the best fit for
each individual player and will benefit the teams as whole.

● We believe the majority of players will benefit most from playing in their true age
group. This philosophy is based on physical, social and psychological factors.
Age-appropriate training and games provide the best conditions to foster
development in youth players.

● We understand there are unique situations - such as players born after August 1st
who are in a higher grade level at school. However, all requests to “play up” will
still be evaluated on a case-by-case basis and must be approved by the head
coach and club directors, based on what is determined to be in the best interest of
the individual player.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading these comments and knowing these folks are the ones molding their kids mentality is scary

Can't get good teammates out of this batch

I agree! The people saying that is ok to play down and that college coaches wont care if your kid is playing on a grade down tean are ridiculious. Its scary thinking about the excuses they must be telling their kids.

Kids are being compared to other kids in their graduating year.
That's how college's recruit.

They're also being compared to transfer portal players. So its not just the players in their grade. There's also competition from players 1-3 maybe even 4 years older that are already playing in college.

That makes grade even less relevant than it already is

Talent, potential and college start date is all that matters

So you're theory is that because players are competing against other players 1-4 (maybe more) years older than they are for a college roster spot that somehow playing down againt younger players in high school will prepare them to play at a higher level.

You really think coaches wont notice that players are playing down a grade.

Colleges don't recruit soccer players from High School
What decade are you living in?

If you're a U16 playing U15, the only person you're fooling is yourself, because no College wants you.

You're calling a fact a theory.
If not talent, potential and graduating year, what are colleges looking at?

It is merely your opinion or belief or theory until you present evidence.

Which is why everyone realizes that you are pissing in the wind right now. Especially considering people present multiple cases of kids getting recruited now and in the past in what could be considered the natural grade such as transfers, international students, hold backs, etc.

You are trying to hypothesizing for a status shift that only youth soccer year played during their whole youth career matters for recruiting without any backing material or citations or data.

You're obviously responding to the wrong poster

I mistyped, should be - "would not be considered their natural grade"

[Anonymous]

Also, their take on MLSN:

● This change will impact all SOCAL League, GA and DPL teams next season.
● MLS Next Homegrown will continue with the January 1 - December 31 cut-off.
● MLS Academy and EAL are yet to confirm which cut off they will use. We will plan
accordingly for these leagues as soon as a decision is released.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these comments and knowing these folks are the ones molding their kids mentality is scary

Can't get good teammates out of this batch

I agree! The people saying that is ok to play down and that college coaches wont care if your kid is playing on a grade down tean are ridiculious. Its scary thinking about the excuses they must be telling their kids.

Kids are being compared to other kids in their graduating year.
That's how college's recruit.

They're also being compared to transfer portal players. So its not just the players in their grade. There's also competition from players 1-3 maybe even 4 years older that are already playing in college.

That makes grade even less relevant than it already is

Talent, potential and college start date is all that matters

So you're theory is that because players are competing against other players 1-4 (maybe more) years older than they are for a college roster spot that somehow playing down againt younger players in high school will prepare them to play at a higher level.

You really think coaches wont notice that players are playing down a grade.

Colleges don't recruit soccer players from High School
What decade are you living in?

If you're a U16 playing U15, the only person you're fooling is yourself, because no College wants you.

You're calling a fact a theory.
If not talent, potential and graduating year, what are colleges looking at?

It is merely your opinion or belief or theory until you present evidence.

Which is why everyone realizes that you are pissing in the wind right now. Especially considering people present multiple cases of kids getting recruited now and in the past in what could be considered the natural grade such as transfers, international students, hold backs, etc.

You are trying to hypothesizing for a status shift that only youth soccer year played during their whole youth career matters for recruiting without any backing material or citations or data.

You're obviously responding to the wrong poster

I mistyped, should be - "would not be considered their natural grade"

Is a natural grade like the hill behind my house?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading these comments and knowing these folks are the ones molding their kids mentality is scary

Can't get good teammates out of this batch

I agree! The people saying that is ok to play down and that college coaches wont care if your kid is playing on a grade down tean are ridiculious. Its scary thinking about the excuses they must be telling their kids.

Kids are being compared to other kids in their graduating year.
That's how college's recruit.

They're also being compared to transfer portal players. So its not just the players in their grade. There's also competition from players 1-3 maybe even 4 years older that are already playing in college.

That makes grade even less relevant than it already is

Talent, potential and college start date is all that matters

So you're theory is that because players are competing against other players 1-4 (maybe more) years older than they are for a college roster spot that somehow playing down againt younger players in high school will prepare them to play at a higher level.

You really think coaches wont notice that players are playing down a grade.

Colleges don't recruit soccer players from High School
What decade are you living in?

If you're a U16 playing U15, the only person you're fooling is yourself, because no College wants you.

You're calling a fact a theory.
If not talent, potential and graduating year, what are colleges looking at?

Agree 1000%

Unfortunately there's a very persistent troll that monitors this thread 24/7 saying that playing on a grade down team isn't a big deal and that college coaches wont notice.

Now that details about SY are starting to come out from clubs its becoming more and more clear that they will group by grade within the 8/1-7/31 context. (ie younger players will be forced to play with their grade)

Multiple people aren't trolling when they are countering a disinformation campaign where one loud poster is saying that they want August kids playing up an age group so their September born kid can be the oldest in their age group.

It is surprising that the person hasn't gotten another self centered parent of a September kid to join them but I guess even they realize that is a ridiculous fruitless effort to stump for a new rule on a random forum that doesn't make sense to anyone but the most self centered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's more evidence that echoes Arlington that this will be case-by-case ... From City SC, of Carlsbad, CA: https://ourcitysc.com/docs/age_group_changes.pdf

What is the club policy on players “playing up?”
Our club policy on playing up remains unchanged. Regardless of age group cutoffs,
opportunities to “play up” will continue to be considered on a case by case basis and will
be at the discretion of the coaches and directors based on our professional assessment
of what is in the best interest of each individual player. Decisions regarding “playing up”
will be discussed with parents individually and will be made in advance of tryouts.

● We are auditing all rosters to understand which age group each player will fall into
next year and to guide decisions regarding which age group will be the best fit for
each individual player and will benefit the teams as whole.

● We believe the majority of players will benefit most from playing in their true age
group. This philosophy is based on physical, social and psychological factors.
Age-appropriate training and games provide the best conditions to foster
development in youth players.

● We understand there are unique situations - such as players born after August 1st
who are in a higher grade level at school. However, all requests to “play up” will
still be evaluated on a case-by-case basis and must be approved by the head
coach and club directors, based on what is determined to be in the best interest of
the individual player.

Who are the coaches and directors negotiating with themselves? Clubs will place A team players on the correct grade in school A team. The rest can play wherever they want because they're not going to get recruited to play in college so it doesnt' matter.

How hard is this to understand?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading these comments and knowing these folks are the ones molding their kids mentality is scary

Can't get good teammates out of this batch

I agree! The people saying that is ok to play down and that college coaches wont care if your kid is playing on a grade down tean are ridiculious. Its scary thinking about the excuses they must be telling their kids.

Kids are being compared to other kids in their graduating year.
That's how college's recruit.

They're also being compared to transfer portal players. So its not just the players in their grade. There's also competition from players 1-3 maybe even 4 years older that are already playing in college.

That makes grade even less relevant than it already is

Talent, potential and college start date is all that matters

So you're theory is that because players are competing against other players 1-4 (maybe more) years older than they are for a college roster spot that somehow playing down againt younger players in high school will prepare them to play at a higher level.

You really think coaches wont notice that players are playing down a grade.

Colleges don't recruit soccer players from High School
What decade are you living in?

If you're a U16 playing U15, the only person you're fooling is yourself, because no College wants you.

You're calling a fact a theory.
If not talent, potential and graduating year, what are colleges looking at?

It is merely your opinion or belief or theory until you present evidence.

Which is why everyone realizes that you are pissing in the wind right now. Especially considering people present multiple cases of kids getting recruited now and in the past in what could be considered the natural grade such as transfers, international students, hold backs, etc.

You are trying to hypothesizing for a status shift that only youth soccer year played during their whole youth career matters for recruiting without any backing material or citations or data.

You're obviously responding to the wrong poster

I mistyped, should be - "would not be considered their natural grade"

Is a natural grade like the hill behind my house?

On cue

[Anonymous]

Clubs saying it's case-by-case: 2 ...Arlington (which is ECNL) and City SC (which is GA/MLSN)

Clubs saying their forcing kids to play up based on age: 0.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading these comments and knowing these folks are the ones molding their kids mentality is scary

Can't get good teammates out of this batch

I agree! The people saying that is ok to play down and that college coaches wont care if your kid is playing on a grade down tean are ridiculious. Its scary thinking about the excuses they must be telling their kids.

Kids are being compared to other kids in their graduating year.
That's how college's recruit.

They're also being compared to transfer portal players. So its not just the players in their grade. There's also competition from players 1-3 maybe even 4 years older that are already playing in college.

That makes grade even less relevant than it already is

Talent, potential and college start date is all that matters

So you're theory is that because players are competing against other players 1-4 (maybe more) years older than they are for a college roster spot that somehow playing down againt younger players in high school will prepare them to play at a higher level.

You really think coaches wont notice that players are playing down a grade.

Colleges don't recruit soccer players from High School
What decade are you living in?

If you're a U16 playing U15, the only person you're fooling is yourself, because no College wants you.

You're calling a fact a theory.
If not talent, potential and graduating year, what are colleges looking at?

Agree 1000%

Unfortunately there's a very persistent troll that monitors this thread 24/7 saying that playing on a grade down team isn't a big deal and that college coaches wont notice.

Now that details about SY are starting to come out from clubs its becoming more and more clear that they will group by grade within the 8/1-7/31 context. (ie younger players will be forced to play with their grade)

Multiple people aren't trolling when they are countering a disinformation campaign where one loud poster is saying that they want August kids playing up an age group so their September born kid can be the oldest in their age group.

It is surprising that the person hasn't gotten another self centered parent of a September kid to join them but I guess even they realize that is a ridiculous fruitless effort to stump for a new rule on a random forum that doesn't make sense to anyone but the most self centered.

You are the disinformation campaign.

You just dont realize it because your kid is likely a little or on a lower B/C team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's more evidence that echoes Arlington that this will be case-by-case ... From City SC, of Carlsbad, CA: https://ourcitysc.com/docs/age_group_changes.pdf

What is the club policy on players “playing up?”
Our club policy on playing up remains unchanged. Regardless of age group cutoffs,
opportunities to “play up” will continue to be considered on a case by case basis and will
be at the discretion of the coaches and directors based on our professional assessment
of what is in the best interest of each individual player. Decisions regarding “playing up”
will be discussed with parents individually and will be made in advance of tryouts.

● We are auditing all rosters to understand which age group each player will fall into
next year and to guide decisions regarding which age group will be the best fit for
each individual player and will benefit the teams as whole.

● We believe the majority of players will benefit most from playing in their true age
group. This philosophy is based on physical, social and psychological factors.
Age-appropriate training and games provide the best conditions to foster
development in youth players.

● We understand there are unique situations - such as players born after August 1st
who are in a higher grade level at school. However, all requests to “play up” will
still be evaluated on a case-by-case basis and must be approved by the head
coach and club directors, based on what is determined to be in the best interest of
the individual player.

Who are the coaches and directors negotiating with themselves? Clubs will place A team players on the correct grade in school A team. The rest can play wherever they want because they're not going to get recruited to play in college so it doesnt' matter.

How hard is this to understand?

Sorry, you're 0 for 2, now. Case-by-case is what everyone else has been saying all along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's more evidence that echoes Arlington that this will be case-by-case ... From City SC, of Carlsbad, CA: https://ourcitysc.com/docs/age_group_changes.pdf

What is the club policy on players “playing up?”
Our club policy on playing up remains unchanged. Regardless of age group cutoffs,
opportunities to “play up” will continue to be considered on a case by case basis and will
be at the discretion of the coaches and directors based on our professional assessment
of what is in the best interest of each individual player. Decisions regarding “playing up”
will be discussed with parents individually and will be made in advance of tryouts.

● We are auditing all rosters to understand which age group each player will fall into
next year and to guide decisions regarding which age group will be the best fit for
each individual player and will benefit the teams as whole.

● We believe the majority of players will benefit most from playing in their true age
group. This philosophy is based on physical, social and psychological factors.
Age-appropriate training and games provide the best conditions to foster
development in youth players.

● We understand there are unique situations - such as players born after August 1st
who are in a higher grade level at school. However, all requests to “play up” will
still be evaluated on a case-by-case basis and must be approved by the head
coach and club directors, based on what is determined to be in the best interest of
the individual player.

Who are the coaches and directors negotiating with themselves? Clubs will place A team players on the correct grade in school A team. The rest can play wherever they want because they're not going to get recruited to play in college so it doesnt' matter.

How hard is this to understand?

Where are the teams throwing out the age rules from the leagues and creating teams based on grade? Sounds crazy, what teams are doing this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading these comments and knowing these folks are the ones molding their kids mentality is scary

Can't get good teammates out of this batch

I agree! The people saying that is ok to play down and that college coaches wont care if your kid is playing on a grade down tean are ridiculious. Its scary thinking about the excuses they must be telling their kids.

Kids are being compared to other kids in their graduating year.
That's how college's recruit.

They're also being compared to transfer portal players. So its not just the players in their grade. There's also competition from players 1-3 maybe even 4 years older that are already playing in college.

That makes grade even less relevant than it already is

Talent, potential and college start date is all that matters

So you're theory is that because players are competing against other players 1-4 (maybe more) years older than they are for a college roster spot that somehow playing down againt younger players in high school will prepare them to play at a higher level.

You really think coaches wont notice that players are playing down a grade.

Colleges don't recruit soccer players from High School
What decade are you living in?

If you're a U16 playing U15, the only person you're fooling is yourself, because no College wants you.

You're calling a fact a theory.
If not talent, potential and graduating year, what are colleges looking at?

Agree 1000%

Unfortunately there's a very persistent troll that monitors this thread 24/7 saying that playing on a grade down team isn't a big deal and that college coaches wont notice.

Now that details about SY are starting to come out from clubs its becoming more and more clear that they will group by grade within the 8/1-7/31 context. (ie younger players will be forced to play with their grade)

Multiple people aren't trolling when they are countering a disinformation campaign where one loud poster is saying that they want August kids playing up an age group so their September born kid can be the oldest in their age group.

It is surprising that the person hasn't gotten another self centered parent of a September kid to join them but I guess even they realize that is a ridiculous fruitless effort to stump for a new rule on a random forum that doesn't make sense to anyone but the most self centered.

You are the disinformation campaign.

You just dont realize it because your kid is likely a little or on a lower B/C team.

You know your wrong, so you're going personal. So typical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Clubs saying it's case-by-case: 2 ...Arlington (which is ECNL) and City SC (which is GA/MLSN)

Clubs saying their forcing kids to play up based on age: 0.

Clubs saying it's case-by-case: 2 ...Arlington (which is ECNL) and City SC (which is GA/MLSN)

Clubs saying their forcing kids to play up based on grade: 0.

(Sorry typo)