The Pitt, new HBO Max show w Noah Wyle

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Predictions for the finale:
* I still guess slap dude will have been the shooter and the long wait times will get the hospital in trouble and will have been the “reason” for the shooting. Maybe by next season they are bought out by that healthcare co. Ugh I hope not.
* Robbie is going to work it somehow so that Langdon gets treatment but is allowed to come back. Robbie will see that the ER is stressful and people need more grace, but it will not be some skin of our teeth solution. Robbie will sign himself up for psych counseling. Santos and Langdon will reach tenuous detente.
* McCay is going to have to keep wearing the ankle bracelet for another year or something, huge injustice when she was just trying to do her job. Javadi will see you shouldn’t judge people on things like this, you don’t know how the system has effed them over to get them where they are.
* Mel, Whitaker, and Mo continue to be awesome.
* Collin’s comes in with emergency bleeding from miscarriage but is okay.

I agree with a lot of this. I think there will be some sort of crisis that Santos makes worse by acting impulsively/without appropriate supervision.

Collins isn't (I hope!) still going to be suffering a miscarriage 10 months later. Maybe she'll be 6 month pregnant?

Fair point! I was trying to predict what will happen in the last episode in two days, but a bunch might pour over into the new season. Hopefully not any miscarriage effects though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Predictions for the finale:
* I still guess slap dude will have been the shooter and the long wait times will get the hospital in trouble and will have been the “reason” for the shooting. Maybe by next season they are bought out by that healthcare co. Ugh I hope not.
* Robbie is going to work it somehow so that Langdon gets treatment but is allowed to come back. Robbie will see that the ER is stressful and people need more grace, but it will not be some skin of our teeth solution. Robbie will sign himself up for psych counseling. Santos and Langdon will reach tenuous detente.
* McCay is going to have to keep wearing the ankle bracelet for another year or something, huge injustice when she was just trying to do her job. Javadi will see you shouldn’t judge people on things like this, you don’t know how the system has effed them over to get them where they are.
* Mel, Whitaker, and Mo continue to be awesome.
* Collin’s comes in with emergency bleeding from miscarriage but is okay.

I agree with a lot of this. I think there will be some sort of crisis that Santos makes worse by acting impulsively/without appropriate supervision.

Collins isn't (I hope!) still going to be suffering a miscarriage 10 months later. Maybe she'll be 6 month pregnant?

Thinking more about your theory re a crisis for Santos, I wonder if Langdon will step in to save her patient, when letting patient die and Santos to get in big trouble would have been more personally gratifying for him, maybe. Will show that ER does need to operate as a dependable team without personalities intervening etc.

[Anonymous]

Santos needs to be tamed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Predictions for the finale:
* I still guess slap dude will have been the shooter and the long wait times will get the hospital in trouble and will have been the “reason” for the shooting. Maybe by next season they are bought out by that healthcare co. Ugh I hope not.
* Robbie is going to work it somehow so that Langdon gets treatment but is allowed to come back. Robbie will see that the ER is stressful and people need more grace, but it will not be some skin of our teeth solution. Robbie will sign himself up for psych counseling. Santos and Langdon will reach tenuous detente.
* McCay is going to have to keep wearing the ankle bracelet for another year or something, huge injustice when she was just trying to do her job. Javadi will see you shouldn’t judge people on things like this, you don’t know how the system has effed them over to get them where they are.
* Mel, Whitaker, and Mo continue to be awesome.
* Collin’s comes in with emergency bleeding from miscarriage but is okay.

I agree with a lot of this. I think there will be some sort of crisis that Santos makes worse by acting impulsively/without appropriate supervision.

Collins isn't (I hope!) still going to be suffering a miscarriage 10 months later. Maybe she'll be 6 month pregnant?

Thinking more about your theory re a crisis for Santos, I wonder if Langdon will step in to save her patient, when letting patient die and Santos to get in big trouble would have been more personally gratifying for him, maybe. Will show that ER does need to operate as a dependable team without personalities intervening etc.

That would be interesting.

[Anonymous]

*sings as if from Les Mis* ONE DAY MORE!

[Anonymous]

The finale was disappointing. Their exhaustion felt boring instead of anything emotional.

[Anonymous]

I am still in the middle and am enjoying the show, but there is one thing bothering me. I hate how several of the women related to patients are portrayed as "unreasonable." For example, the daughter who wanted to intubate her father despite his dnr, the woman who did not want to donate her son's organs and the mother who does not want her son to get a spinal tap.

On an unrelated note, I wonder if anyone from the show team also worked on The Imposters. Two of the actors from that show are on this one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The finale was disappointing. Their exhaustion felt boring instead of anything emotional.

It's definitely the come down episode after the last three. But I liked how quiet it was and especially liked a series of small moments that felt like a pay off from a whole season with a character, or told a small story on their own. Including:

- Mohan's arc in the episode, from being jittery and wanting more action early in the episode, to her break down in the bathroom, to cathartic release when they finally left the hospital.

- Related: loved that moment with Jahadi on the elevator where she just doesn't get off the elevator and the doors close, and then they reopen and she has to get off. Just the way that communicated her exhausting. And it was funny.

- Loved the scene with Mel and her sister when Mel finally picks her up. It's just a sweet scene no matter what and you can see their rapport and how much Mel cares for her sister, but there's also this heaviness as you realize what it means for Mel to be her sister's caretaker while also working this particular job. It made me think of what it is to have a demanding job while being a parent to a young kid, but even heavier because Mel is alone without a partner and her sister is never going to become independent. That's a lot.

- The reveal of that Abbott is an amputee, and just the casual nature of him removing his leg and cleaning it, and one of the nurses giving him wet wipes to help him clean off the blood. Obviously we knew from context cues that Abbott has been in combat and has seen some stuff, but that was a very stark indication of how serious his combat experience was and what he must have seen and experienced, and how that translates to his work in the ER. For a character who was only in a third of the season, he had a really amazing impact.

- The scenes in the trauma rooms after Robbie talks to Langdon but before he talks to Jake or Leda's parents and totally breaks down. The combination of how those scenes are shot and Wyle's acting just did a great job of communicating his state of mind, the overwhelm and exhaustion and profound sadness that sends him up to the roof later. You can see his eyes jumping from thing to thing because he's still in hypervigilant mode, but his brain and central nervous system are totally overloaded so he can't focus or process, even as he's also participating in a diagnosis and agreeing to a treatment plan. I have had a mental health crisis before (totally different situation, causes, etc.) and I felt seen in that moment. Quietly hitting a breaking point while still having to function, and maybe people around you notice things are off but can't see the degree to which you are just falling apart internally. The way they handled Robbie's PTSD and grief this season was so thoughtful and sensitive.

- On a similar note, that scene where Dana is packing up and you see her taking her photos from her work area and tearing up, likely meaning that she doesn't intend to come back. I really, really hope that is not the case because I love that character and actor and I want her to come back for Season 2. But from a character standpoint, it felt believable and really sad and touching.

The bigger plot moments in the episode (the roof scene, the Langdon/Robbie confrontation, McKay/David, Robbie/Jake, and Whitaker/Santos in their final scene) didn't hit as hard as these smaller moments for me. After a whole season of intense, nonstop action, I wound up liking the moments of silence and stillness the most in this last episode. It really worked for me.

[Anonymous]

I love the moments that you mentioned above. Great descriptions!

I was wrong about basically every prediction I made, ha! I still found this a very satisfying conclusion to this season for this wonderful new show. I really love this show a lot now.

The rats at the end, lol!

Jake is being totally unreasonable.

Nice finish imho.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The finale was disappointing. Their exhaustion felt boring instead of anything emotional.

Yep, after all of the tension, excitement, and horror of the prior episodes this one was drawn out and a let down. Although it did ring true that all of the doctors would be physically and emotionally spent, it just wasn't a great episode and I was really ready for it to be over about halfway through.

Robby was so compelling for most of the season but started to OD on main character syndrome. Like Hawkeye in the later seasons of MASH or Kevin Costner in just about everything he's in, having the lead actor have that much control over the show he's in gets to be too much.

Langdon deserved to be fired and arrested, I get him asking to be forgiven, but the demanding and insulting tone didn't make sense at all for a guy who would be taken away in handcuffs if Robby had so wished.

The Whitaker ending, with him dancing and homeless was dumb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am still in the middle and am enjoying the show, but there is one thing bothering me. I hate how several of the women related to patients are portrayed as "unreasonable." For example, the daughter who wanted to intubate her father despite his dnr, the woman who did not want to donate her son's organs and the mother who does not want her son to get a spinal tap.

On an unrelated note, I wonder if anyone from the show team also worked on The Imposters. Two of the actors from that show are on this one.

Very true, although that was true for the patients in general, the guy who punched the nurse, McKay's ex, the kid with the hit list, the dad who got poisoned. Doctors >>> patients.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am still in the middle and am enjoying the show, but there is one thing bothering me. I hate how several of the women related to patients are portrayed as "unreasonable." For example, the daughter who wanted to intubate her father despite his dnr, the woman who did not want to donate her son's organs and the mother who does not want her son to get a spinal tap.

On an unrelated note, I wonder if anyone from the show team also worked on The Imposters. Two of the actors from that show are on this one.

Very true, although that was true for the patients in general, the guy who punched the nurse, McKay's ex, the kid with the hit list, the dad who got poisoned. Doctors >>> patients.

I love this show and I think been drawn to it in part because I've had several ER experiences in the last year and am still processing the trauma of those experiences so much of what is shown on The Pitt is on topic for that. And I had some amazing doctors and nurses during my hospital experiences and I do really appreciate how the show represents what the do and what they go through.

But I also had some really awful experiences in the ER and the show doesn't make any attempt to show what it's like to be a patient in an ER, and especially what it's like for a patient having one of the worst days of their life. I also think it would be realistic for the show to portray at least one of the staff (likely a nurse) just being straight up mean to patients. Because that's real. Everyone on the show is so unendingly kind and professional and amazingly that is true of so many people who work in emergency medicine. But there are pretty much always people who have either reached their breaking point that day (understandably, these are people who do in fact get spit on, yelled at, hit, etc., and I don't blame people for breaking under that) or who are simply not suited for it at all and are just jerks. That's a very real part of the ER experience and the show would be more honest if they showed that, if one of the nurses was just kind of an ahole or if you saw patients verbally mistreated where the patient really has not done anything to deserve it (so different than Robbie showing the measles dad the morgue room to scare him into letting them do the spinal tap, which was inappropriate but you understand because the measles parents had established themselves as unreasonable and kind of stupid).

I would be interested to see them explore that in another season. Not everyone is as patient and kind as Robbie and Dana and the rest of the staff. Sometimes a patient takes a stray that is totally undeserved, or gets stuck in an administrative hell while they are in real pain, or they don't know how to navigate the system and it results in substandard care. I'd like to see that because it's a very real part of what happens in the ER every day too.

[Anonymous]

Great post, 00:03.

I did not love this episode, but it definitely left me looking forward to the 2nd season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am still in the middle and am enjoying the show, but there is one thing bothering me. I hate how several of the women related to patients are portrayed as "unreasonable." For example, the daughter who wanted to intubate her father despite his dnr, the woman who did not want to donate her son's organs and the mother who does not want her son to get a spinal tap.

On an unrelated note, I wonder if anyone from the show team also worked on The Imposters. Two of the actors from that show are on this one.

Very true, although that was true for the patients in general, the guy who punched the nurse, McKay's ex, the kid with the hit list, the dad who got poisoned. Doctors >>> patients.

I love this show and I think been drawn to it in part because I've had several ER experiences in the last year and am still processing the trauma of those experiences so much of what is shown on The Pitt is on topic for that. And I had some amazing doctors and nurses during my hospital experiences and I do really appreciate how the show represents what the do and what they go through.

But I also had some really awful experiences in the ER and the show doesn't make any attempt to show what it's like to be a patient in an ER, and especially what it's like for a patient having one of the worst days of their life. I also think it would be realistic for the show to portray at least one of the staff (likely a nurse) just being straight up mean to patients. Because that's real. Everyone on the show is so unendingly kind and professional and amazingly that is true of so many people who work in emergency medicine. But there are pretty much always people who have either reached their breaking point that day (understandably, these are people who do in fact get spit on, yelled at, hit, etc., and I don't blame people for breaking under that) or who are simply not suited for it at all and are just jerks. That's a very real part of the ER experience and the show would be more honest if they showed that, if one of the nurses was just kind of an ahole or if you saw patients verbally mistreated where the patient really has not done anything to deserve it (so different than Robbie showing the measles dad the morgue room to scare him into letting them do the spinal tap, which was inappropriate but you understand because the measles parents had established themselves as unreasonable and kind of stupid).

I would be interested to see them explore that in another season. Not everyone is as patient and kind as Robbie and Dana and the rest of the staff. Sometimes a patient takes a stray that is totally undeserved, or gets stuck in an administrative hell while they are in real pain, or they don't know how to navigate the system and it results in substandard care. I'd like to see that because it's a very real part of what happens in the ER every day too.

Good point. I felt this strongly with the social worker - they were too perfect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The finale was disappointing. Their exhaustion felt boring instead of anything emotional.

It's definitely the come down episode after the last three. But I liked how quiet it was and especially liked a series of small moments that felt like a pay off from a whole season with a character, or told a small story on their own. Including:

- Mohan's arc in the episode, from being jittery and wanting more action early in the episode, to her break down in the bathroom, to cathartic release when they finally left the hospital.

- Related: loved that moment with Jahadi on the elevator where she just doesn't get off the elevator and the doors close, and then they reopen and she has to get off. Just the way that communicated her exhausting. And it was funny.

- Loved the scene with Mel and her sister when Mel finally picks her up. It's just a sweet scene no matter what and you can see their rapport and how much Mel cares for her sister, but there's also this heaviness as you realize what it means for Mel to be her sister's caretaker while also working this particular job. It made me think of what it is to have a demanding job while being a parent to a young kid, but even heavier because Mel is alone without a partner and her sister is never going to become independent. That's a lot.

- The reveal of that Abbott is an amputee, and just the casual nature of him removing his leg and cleaning it, and one of the nurses giving him wet wipes to help him clean off the blood. Obviously we knew from context cues that Abbott has been in combat and has seen some stuff, but that was a very stark indication of how serious his combat experience was and what he must have seen and experienced, and how that translates to his work in the ER. For a character who was only in a third of the season, he had a really amazing impact.

- The scenes in the trauma rooms after Robbie talks to Langdon but before he talks to Jake or Leda's parents and totally breaks down. The combination of how those scenes are shot and Wyle's acting just did a great job of communicating his state of mind, the overwhelm and exhaustion and profound sadness that sends him up to the roof later. You can see his eyes jumping from thing to thing because he's still in hypervigilant mode, but his brain and central nervous system are totally overloaded so he can't focus or process, even as he's also participating in a diagnosis and agreeing to a treatment plan. I have had a mental health crisis before (totally different situation, causes, etc.) and I felt seen in that moment. Quietly hitting a breaking point while still having to function, and maybe people around you notice things are off but can't see the degree to which you are just falling apart internally. The way they handled Robbie's PTSD and grief this season was so thoughtful and sensitive.

- On a similar note, that scene where Dana is packing up and you see her taking her photos from her work area and tearing up, likely meaning that she doesn't intend to come back. I really, really hope that is not the case because I love that character and actor and I want her to come back for Season 2. But from a character standpoint, it felt believable and really sad and touching.

The bigger plot moments in the episode (the roof scene, the Langdon/Robbie confrontation, McKay/David, Robbie/Jake, and Whitaker/Santos in their final scene) didn't hit as hard as these smaller moments for me. After a whole season of intense, nonstop action, I wound up liking the moments of silence and stillness the most in this last episode. It really worked for me.

Agree with all this. So many great nuances. The show arc needed a bit of a slower finale.