Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:Leon Panetta on cnn just now said over-reliance on technology intelligence allowed Hamas to avoid detection. The intelligence system in Israel failed, and human intelligence is needed.

No question that Israel will take action, particularly given the hostages taken. This will be a prolonged war.

Re: US role - our special relationship will likely prompt intelligence and military support. It will be a complicated effort.

Re: history - going back to 1948, we’ve had 7 decades of war and failed efforts for peace. This last year brought increased tension. Hamas took a dramatic step nobody saw coming. It’s a wake up call to hamas as well as Iran, hezbollah, etc.

Leon Panetta? He hasn't been in the government in 10 years. And gee whiz, I wonder why Israel doesn't just send a bunch of agents into Gaza. I can't imagine why that sort of thing would be difficult. And yeah, it's pretty obvious that this was an intelligence failure.

If Panetta actually used the term special relationship then he ought to hang it up. Despite cooperation on defense and intelligence, there's only one of those and it's not with Israel.

Yes, you are right, PP.

You obviously know more than Leon Panetta. Thank goodness we have you to weigh in.

Leon Panetta is a yes man, dumbass.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about Panetta.

But it’s hilarious that a random guy thinks he knows more about anything related to Israel than Leon given his decades of service and access to intel during complicated periods in history. I mean, as if.

Your over-abundance of confidence is cute.

First, I'm a woman. So your assumptions are, what is it you said? Oh, cute.

Second, the bolded is the point - Panetta hasn't been in service for 10 years and his access to intel from a decade or more ago means that he had access to it a decade ago. Not today. His historical opinion is interesting and valuable, but the fact that he's on CNN and not at work today means he doesn't have much, if any, insight into the current inner workings of Mossad or our own intelligence agencies.

…and the collective wisdom of randos on dcum carries more weight than Leon’s insight developed over decades.

Got it.

I mean, I always knew type A overachievers had an inflated sense of self-worth, but this is next-level hilarity.

Yes, I realize Leon isn’t currently sitting in the war room, but I still feel like the man knows far more about the complexity of Israel and Hamas than the average house frau…even though he’s retired.

Never change, Dcumlandia!

Think of it this way: behind every foreign policy blunder in the Middle East in the last 20 years - Iraq, Libya, Syria - were men with just as much experience , and they still focked it up. So what’s with this worship of panetta and co?

Nobody is worshipping Panetta.

I guess I just realize there’s no silver bullet when it comes to Israel and Palestinians, so I’m not surprised that the US hasn’t neatly resolved it. I believe we have experts balancing pros and cons; they calculate risks and make the best/least bad decision. None of this is easy.

I think it’s really weird for nobodies on dcum to think they know better than experts with all the intel as well as the burden of making decisions that make history.

The silver bullet is holding israel to account for grave violations of human rights. That gives us a lot more power when we also hold hamas to grave violations.

I do not support Zionism. What on earth is good about it?

May your children never know you - your Islam is not Islam. You shame your ancestors.

I’m a white Christian American. I don’t understand why I’d support Zionism. It seems to be built on theft of land that doesn’t belong to you. I’m not ashamed of being opposed to theft.

You seem more like a typical woke white middle aged woman who consumes propaganda daily. There are a few of you who think identically.

Jeez, I imagine if you spent any time navel gazing, you'd reconsider that statement in light of what this country did to lands of the Native Americans. Also, looking back at who controlled what and when isn't going to solve the problems now.

You just made my point. You think exactly like this type of a middle aged woke white guilt driven woman. What news do you consume that all of you think and talk identically?

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Anonymous wrote:It's still unclear to me why Hamas chose to do this. Israel has been out of Gaza for twenty years. By causing more than 2000 casualties in one day alone - mass murders of families and communities, raping and abducting women, kidnapping the elderly and small children - they know very well that Israel will have no choice but to respond extremely forcefully. Nearly 150,000 reservists were called up to duty today. That's nearly 300,000 soldiers total that Israel is gearing up for action. Of course Israel is going to level Gaza. Of course Israel is going to invade. And of course Israel is going to occupy all of Gaza for the next 50 years. No one in Gaza will be allowed anywhere near the border for generations.

This operation cost the people of Gaza everything. Soon, they're going to start dying. Their homes will be destroyed. Economic life in Gaza, such as it is, will come to an end. It's going to be decades of checkpoints and curfews and misery. And since everyone in the Middle East hates Palestinians - the brought Black September to Jordan, civil war to Lebanon, and supported Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait - they have nowhere to go. No country is taking in the people of Gaza.

Breathtakingly stupid people.

Can you pls tell what countries dislike Palestinians and why? Genuinely curious.

DP. Egypt, Jordan ….

Thank you for your answer. Can you tell why people from Egypt and Jordan feel this way?

When I was in Syria 25 years ago, the Palestinians were disliked (according to Syrians I spoke with) because surrounding countries felt as if they always got dragged into the conflict in some way. These are also poor countries that worried about mass movements of refugees across their borders. My sense was that a lot of Syrians at that time just wanted the conflict to go away. I couldn’t speak to how people feel now, though.

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Seeing these helpless civilians being humiliated, tortured and killed is heartbreaking. We are lucky to be in a country with 400 million guns in civilian hands. The citizens of this country would be on terrorists like white blood cells on a virus.

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Still waiting for evidence of "gang rape" or child rape.

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Anonymous wrote:DSA NYC is having a pro Palestine rally tomorrow https://x.com/nycdsa/status/1710778425303081288?s=46&t=Rw_jX1uyupQwvEwsjuQulQ

What is DSA? Besides a pro terrorist organization?

terrorist loving communists

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that Republicans, at this moment, are holding up the appointment of 300 senior Pentagon officials and the next Ambassador to Israel.

Nope. Abortion is more important to Biden than national defense.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing these helpless civilians being humiliated, tortured and killed is heartbreaking. We are lucky to be in a country with 400 million guns in civilian hands. The citizens of this country would be on terrorists like white blood cells on a virus.

Where did you see helpless civilians humiliated, tortured and killed?

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for evidence of "gang rape" or child rape.

They probably raped these ones. Killed their sister https://x.com/emilykschrader/status/1710815620911005985?s=46&t=Rw_jX1uyupQwvEwsjuQulQ

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Anonymous wrote:Heartbreaking segment on cnn moments ago: a young Israeli father talking about his wife, two young daughters (5 and 3), and MIL who were kidnapped by Hamas.

They played video footage of them being carted away.

Indefensible.

Occupation doesn’t warrant kidnapping women and children.

You’re not a civilian if you chose to live in occupied territories.

False.

#mapsmatter

Wrong. Settlers are legitimate targets as are all Israelis

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing these helpless civilians being humiliated, tortured and killed is heartbreaking. We are lucky to be in a country with 400 million guns in civilian hands. The citizens of this country would be on terrorists like white blood cells on a virus.

Where did you see helpless civilians humiliated, tortured and killed?

In the videos being posted

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Of course they are cowards. Just like Hamas.

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Anonymous wrote:Heartbreaking segment on cnn moments ago: a young Israeli father talking about his wife, two young daughters (5 and 3), and MIL who were kidnapped by Hamas.

They played video footage of them being carted away.

Indefensible.

Occupation doesn’t warrant kidnapping women and children.

You’re not a civilian if you chose to live in occupied territories.

False.

#mapsmatter

Wrong. Settlers are legitimate targets as are all Israelis

fine then all Palestinians are targets too

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing these helpless civilians being humiliated, tortured and killed is heartbreaking. We are lucky to be in a country with 400 million guns in civilian hands. The citizens of this country would be on terrorists like white blood cells on a virus.

Every house the terrorist terrorize in America could blow up in their face.

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Anonymous wrote:It's still unclear to me why Hamas chose to do this. Israel has been out of Gaza for twenty years. By causing more than 2000 casualties in one day alone - mass murders of families and communities, raping and abducting women, kidnapping the elderly and small children - they know very well that Israel will have no choice but to respond extremely forcefully. Nearly 150,000 reservists were called up to duty today. That's nearly 300,000 soldiers total that Israel is gearing up for action. Of course Israel is going to level Gaza. Of course Israel is going to invade. And of course Israel is going to occupy all of Gaza for the next 50 years. No one in Gaza will be allowed anywhere near the border for generations.

This operation cost the people of Gaza everything. Soon, they're going to start dying. Their homes will be destroyed. Economic life in Gaza, such as it is, will come to an end. It's going to be decades of checkpoints and curfews and misery. And since everyone in the Middle East hates Palestinians - the brought Black September to Jordan, civil war to Lebanon, and supported Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait - they have nowhere to go. No country is taking in the people of Gaza.

Breathtakingly stupid people.

Can you pls tell what countries dislike Palestinians and why? Genuinely curious.

DP. Egypt, Jordan ….

Thank you for your answer. Can you tell why people from Egypt and Jordan feel this way?

When I was in Syria 25 years ago, the Palestinians were disliked (according to Syrians I spoke with) because surrounding countries felt as if they always got dragged into the conflict in some way. These are also poor countries that worried about mass movements of refugees across their borders. My sense was that a lot of Syrians at that time just wanted the conflict to go away. I couldn’t speak to how people feel now, though.

Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:Heartbreaking segment on cnn moments ago: a young Israeli father talking about his wife, two young daughters (5 and 3), and MIL who were kidnapped by Hamas.

They played video footage of them being carted away.

Indefensible.

Occupation doesn’t warrant kidnapping women and children.

Wrong. Occupation warrants summary execution not just kidnapping.