Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op-ed from (Asian-American) professors at University of Maryland and USC about why affirmative action is not hurting Asian-Americans

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-06-14/affirmative-action-supreme-court-harvard-case-asian-americans

(cross-posted to the other Affirmative Action thread)

+1

Excellent article from Asian scholars. Dispels much of the nonsense spouted by DCUM trolls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

They really need to just apply to European schools (or many asian countries as well) who you take a test, score high enough you get in

Maybe, that’s why foreign schools are now ranked higher than US universities in technical fields like engineering. They’re admitting the best and brightest abroad and not based on flimsy ID baskets.

True. Look at US News best global engineering school rankings. Even scarier is the fact that many of China’s engineering schools in the world’s T25 or T50 don’t even belong to their Ministry of Education—they belong to their Ministry of Defense. Including world’s #5, Harbin, which is ranked just below world’s #4, MIT. It’s a military technical university.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/engineering

Yup.

Americans are oblivious to how fast they're falling behind in technical fields.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op-ed from (Asian-American) professors at University of Maryland and USC about why affirmative action is not hurting Asian-Americans

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-06-14/affirmative-action-supreme-court-harvard-case-asian-americans

(cross-posted to the other Affirmative Action thread)

+1

Excellent article from Asian scholars. Dispels much of the nonsense spouted by DCUM trolls.

As if a handful of Asian professors speak for the entire Asian community. Laughable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op-ed from (Asian-American) professors at University of Maryland and USC about why affirmative action is not hurting Asian-Americans

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-06-14/affirmative-action-supreme-court-harvard-case-asian-americans

(cross-posted to the other Affirmative Action thread)

+1

Excellent article from Asian scholars. Dispels much of the nonsense spouted by DCUM trolls.

As if a handful of Asian professors speak for the entire Asian community. Laughable.

As if you do...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op-ed from (Asian-American) professors at University of Maryland and USC about why affirmative action is not hurting Asian-Americans

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-06-14/affirmative-action-supreme-court-harvard-case-asian-americans

(cross-posted to the other Affirmative Action thread)

+1

Excellent article from Asian scholars. Dispels much of the nonsense spouted by DCUM trolls.

As if a handful of Asian professors speak for the entire Asian community. Laughable.

Trust them more than the trolls claiming that *all* Asians are being discriminated against in college admissions.

Smart > foolish

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have to admit that not all of the best engineers come from the best ranked schools.

That is true for most degrees/majors in undergrad. That is why it is ridiculous so many are obsessed with "rankings" and cannot move on when their kid is rejected from T20 schools. Someone at a #70 who completes the engineering degree will still be an amazing engineering, in reality it has to do with their work ethic and what they put into it, not where they went.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have to admit that not all of the best engineers come from the best ranked schools.

That is true for most degrees/majors in undergrad. That is why it is ridiculous so many are obsessed with "rankings" and cannot move on when their kid is rejected from T20 schools. Someone at a #70 who completes the engineering degree will still be an amazing engineering, in reality it has to do with their work ethic and what they put into it, not where they went.

Agree. That’s true with most professions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

They really need to just apply to European schools (or many asian countries as well) who you take a test, score high enough you get in

Maybe, that’s why foreign schools are now ranked higher than US universities in technical fields like engineering. They’re admitting the best and brightest abroad and not based on flimsy ID baskets.

True. Look at US News best global engineering school rankings. Even scarier is the fact that many of China’s engineering schools in the world’s T25 or T50 don’t even belong to their Ministry of Education—they belong to their Ministry of Defense. Including world’s #5, Harbin, which is ranked just below world’s #4, MIT. It’s a military technical university.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/engineering

Yup.

Americans are oblivious to how fast they're falling behind in technical fields.

I wouldn’t say that we are falling behind fast, but China’s rise is a huge concern. I read a few things about their history of nuclear and missile programs. Not long ago (a few decades ago) the majority of that nation was poor uneducated peasants. But they did have a few brilliant students who studied in the US and (to a lesser extent) Europe. The founder of their missile and space program was an MIT Ph.D. and CalTech professor. The father of their atomic bomb was a Purdue Boilermaker, helped by some Michigan Wolverines. (Wonder if there was a Big Ten rivalry in their nuclear and missile research facilities.) A CalTech Ph.D. and cofounder of Cornell’s aeronautical engineering (along with William Sears) (now part of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering Dept) also contributed greatly to their weapons programs. Allegedly he died in a plane crash in China—carrying hydrogen bomb design documents. Just want to say that we are in a life-or-death struggle for technological supremacy. The competition for technological supremacy is fiercer than ever in human history. Does AA/DEI help or hurt us in maintaining technological supremacy? Different people may have different opinions, but that’s a question we must answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This Chicago kid got into all the Ivues he applied to.

What’s the difference?

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/francis-parker-school-chicago-ivy-league-college-day/13110694/

What exactly is your point

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

They really need to just apply to European schools (or many asian countries as well) who you take a test, score high enough you get in

Maybe, that’s why foreign schools are now ranked higher than US universities in technical fields like engineering. They’re admitting the best and brightest abroad and not based on flimsy ID baskets.

True. Look at US News best global engineering school rankings. Even scarier is the fact that many of China’s engineering schools in the world’s T25 or T50 don’t even belong to their Ministry of Education—they belong to their Ministry of Defense. Including world’s #5, Harbin, which is ranked just below world’s #4, MIT. It’s a military technical university.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/engineering

Yup.

Americans are oblivious to how fast they're falling behind in technical fields.

I wouldn’t say that we are falling behind fast, but China’s rise is a huge concern. I read a few things about their history of nuclear and missile programs. Not long ago (a few decades ago) the majority of that nation was poor uneducated peasants. But they did have a few brilliant students who studied in the US and (to a lesser extent) Europe. The founder of their missile and space program was an MIT Ph.D. and CalTech professor. The father of their atomic bomb was a Purdue Boilermaker, helped by some Michigan Wolverines. (Wonder if there was a Big Ten rivalry in their nuclear and missile research facilities.) A CalTech Ph.D. and cofounder of Cornell’s aeronautical engineering (along with William Sears) (now part of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering Dept) also contributed greatly to their weapons programs. Allegedly he died in a plane crash in China—carrying hydrogen bomb design documents. Just want to say that we are in a life-or-death struggle for technological supremacy. The competition for technological supremacy is fiercer than ever in human history. Does AA/DEI help or hurt us in maintaining technological supremacy? Different people may have different opinions, but that’s a question we must answer.

Do we think certain groups of people will help us maintain technological superiority?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This Chicago kid got into all the Ivues he applied to.

What’s the difference?

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/francis-parker-school-chicago-ivy-league-college-day/13110694/

What exactly is your point

The point is that if that face were Asian instead of Black, the chance of his being accepted by all Ivys would be zilch. Maybe one or two if he was lucky, but not all Ivys. And highly likely that the number of Ivy acceptances would be zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

They really need to just apply to European schools (or many asian countries as well) who you take a test, score high enough you get in

Maybe, that’s why foreign schools are now ranked higher than US universities in technical fields like engineering. They’re admitting the best and brightest abroad and not based on flimsy ID baskets.

True. Look at US News best global engineering school rankings. Even scarier is the fact that many of China’s engineering schools in the world’s T25 or T50 don’t even belong to their Ministry of Education—they belong to their Ministry of Defense. Including world’s #5, Harbin, which is ranked just below world’s #4, MIT. It’s a military technical university.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/engineering

Yup.

Americans are oblivious to how fast they're falling behind in technical fields.

We get it, Americans are slow and stupid, and only you and your kind belong in American colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This Chicago kid got into all the Ivues he applied to.

What’s the difference?

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/francis-parker-school-chicago-ivy-league-college-day/13110694/

What exactly is your point

The point is that if that face were Asian instead of Black, the chance of his being accepted by all Ivys would be zilch. Maybe one or two if he was lucky, but not all Ivys. And highly likely that the number of Ivy acceptances would be zero.

So?

You do understand what URM stands for? Underrepresented Minority - not Overrepresented Majority, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

They really need to just apply to European schools (or many asian countries as well) who you take a test, score high enough you get in

Maybe, that’s why foreign schools are now ranked higher than US universities in technical fields like engineering. They’re admitting the best and brightest abroad and not based on flimsy ID baskets.

True. Look at US News best global engineering school rankings. Even scarier is the fact that many of China’s engineering schools in the world’s T25 or T50 don’t even belong to their Ministry of Education—they belong to their Ministry of Defense. Including world’s #5, Harbin, which is ranked just below world’s #4, MIT. It’s a military technical university.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/engineering

Yup.

Americans are oblivious to how fast they're falling behind in technical fields.

I wouldn’t say that we are falling behind fast, but China’s rise is a huge concern. I read a few things about their history of nuclear and missile programs. Not long ago (a few decades ago) the majority of that nation was poor uneducated peasants. But they did have a few brilliant students who studied in the US and (to a lesser extent) Europe. The founder of their missile and space program was an MIT Ph.D. and CalTech professor. The father of their atomic bomb was a Purdue Boilermaker, helped by some Michigan Wolverines. (Wonder if there was a Big Ten rivalry in their nuclear and missile research facilities.) A CalTech Ph.D. and cofounder of Cornell’s aeronautical engineering (along with William Sears) (now part of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering Dept) also contributed greatly to their weapons programs. Allegedly he died in a plane crash in China—carrying hydrogen bomb design documents. Just want to say that we are in a life-or-death struggle for technological supremacy. The competition for technological supremacy is fiercer than ever in human history. Does AA/DEI help or hurt us in maintaining technological supremacy? Different people may have different opinions, but that’s a question we must answer.

Do we think certain groups of people will help us maintain technological superiority?

That is exactly what they are saying - they can't make it in their country, so they are entitled to make it in this country, and they are entitled to take anyone else's place, because they know how to teach to the test, and Americans allegedly do not, so Americans must be inferior in Maths.

My, this is a very "Dictatorship" or "Communistic" thing to say. You do realize America is a Democracy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

They really need to just apply to European schools (or many asian countries as well) who you take a test, score high enough you get in

Maybe, that’s why foreign schools are now ranked higher than US universities in technical fields like engineering. They’re admitting the best and brightest abroad and not based on flimsy ID baskets.

True. Look at US News best global engineering school rankings. Even scarier is the fact that many of China’s engineering schools in the world’s T25 or T50 don’t even belong to their Ministry of Education—they belong to their Ministry of Defense. Including world’s #5, Harbin, which is ranked just below world’s #4, MIT. It’s a military technical university.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/engineering

Yup.

Americans are oblivious to how fast they're falling behind in technical fields.

I wouldn’t say that we are falling behind fast, but China’s rise is a huge concern. I read a few things about their history of nuclear and missile programs. Not long ago (a few decades ago) the majority of that nation was poor uneducated peasants. But they did have a few brilliant students who studied in the US and (to a lesser extent) Europe. The founder of their missile and space program was an MIT Ph.D. and CalTech professor. The father of their atomic bomb was a Purdue Boilermaker, helped by some Michigan Wolverines. (Wonder if there was a Big Ten rivalry in their nuclear and missile research facilities.) A CalTech Ph.D. and cofounder of Cornell’s aeronautical engineering (along with William Sears) (now part of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering Dept) also contributed greatly to their weapons programs. Allegedly he died in a plane crash in China—carrying hydrogen bomb design documents. Just want to say that we are in a life-or-death struggle for technological supremacy. The competition for technological supremacy is fiercer than ever in human history. Does AA/DEI help or hurt us in maintaining technological supremacy? Different people may have different opinions, but that’s a question we must answer.

So the answer is for the U.S. to admit more Chinese, because there are more of them, than anyone? I don't think so.