Succession - Season 4

[Anonymous]

Is it weird that they would rather give control to the kids than to Kerri? Seems like they have more control over Kerri than the kids but what do I know?

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Anonymous wrote:Karl: I mean could it, might it just go away? I mean it might get lost. I hope it doesn’t, but what if your hand goes a little wobbly, and a draft takes it away, and it gets flushed down a toilet by mistake? I’m kidding, of course.

Frank: Oh, sure. You’re speculating in a comic mode.

Karl: In a humorous vein. We’re not gonna let that little princess screw things up, right, Frank? Gerri’s gonna block me. I want out. I want my f*ckin’ package.
I am halfway in on a Greek island with my brother in law.

Gerri: Say, what’s up, boys?

Sounds like they’re talking about Gerri.

Gerri is hardly a princess. It was Shiv.

That doesn't make sense, though. Why would they refer to her, and not Kendall or Roman? Why single her out?

It was her name that was penciled in! That’s why ken’s is crossed out.

Oh good point they kept talking about something penciled in but Kendall was definitely underlined/ crossed out in black pen or marker

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Erasing is too sloppy and obvious. Which female character's name could have been altered to look like "Greg"? Then they add a "?"

Think about it -- makes no sense at all that Greg's name was there. I'm betting Geri was altered. Then again, he asked Roman to fire her.

Or that is the piece of paper where he wrote something about Kerry, so she is the Princess in a position to screw things up. It's what they were all saying on the plane.

I agree it can be sloppy/obvious to erase. It can really depend on the mark though. Like the mark that we see on the page, the cross out/underline, is in pencil but it's really hard -- it would be impossible to erase that without people knowing. But if you write more lightly, you can also erase really lightly and it will disappear without leaving any telltale eraser marks.

So just to totally speculate, maybe the underline/cross out was always there, really dark, and they don't touch it. But maybe Logan wrote "Pinky" (his nickname for Shiv) in the margins next to it, and it's more lightly applied. They might be able to remove that mark.

Also, since things were written in pencil, they can always say "oh, it looks like Logan erased it." So even if the erasure seems obvious, as long as they can convince people they didn't tamper with it (and with three of them, they'd all testify that it was untouched, unless something happened to make them turn on each other), they'd be covered. It's already a piece of paper that Logan clearly made alterations to at different times.

Also, remember how Gerri kept emphasizing that the paper wasn't legally binding? Which is true. No witnesses, no signature, it's not clear -- I'm an attorney and in a situation with a will, a paper like that would be deemed irrelevant. The only reason it's being considered in this situation is because it indicates to the board what Logan might have wanted, and they are in a situation of trying to quell fears from shareholders about the stability of the company. So if they can say "Logan planned for this and this is what he wants" it might calm people down. It's not how you would actually execute an estate, especially since Logan no doubt has an actual notarized will in place and on file with his executors and attorneys. The only way this paper would come into play for the actual distribution of assets would be if there was some problem with the will (like someone could prove it was signed under duress or when the decedent was not of sound mind).

So Geri and the others might have felt comfortable-ish messing around with it because the only impact it will have is on this one board decision -- the interim CEO. The permanent decision will come later and will not be dictated by "Logan's wishes" so much. So if their only goal was "keep Shiv out" because they feel she complicates matters or is harder for them to work with or push aside, then I do think they'd risk messing with the document and feel pretty confident that know one would ever find out because it will never be legally executed. It's just info.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it weird that they would rather give control to the kids than to Kerri? Seems like they have more control over Kerri than the kids but what do I know?

These people all have longstanding relationships with the kids. Frank is Kendall's godfather, Gerri has this long, weird relationship with Roman. Karl and Hugo and Karolina have known and worked with these kids for many years. Kerri is a total wild card to them, with no allegiances and virtually no history. It's why people were unhappy about the Kerri relationship when Logan was alive -- there are no alliances there and the fear was that she could convince him to clean house or something.

So yes, the kids are much more of a known quantity to Gerri/Frank/Karl. Doesn't mean they want them in the CEO's office, but it's something they have all been mentally prepared for and planned for. If Logan decided to install his mistress/assistant as interim CEO upon his death, that would terrify everyone -- not just the people who'd get pushed aside for her, but also all the investors and the board. That choice would be so insane that yes, they would MUCH rather have Kendall, Roman, or even Shiv running things.

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Anonymous wrote:Karl: I mean could it, might it just go away? I mean it might get lost. I hope it doesn’t, but what if your hand goes a little wobbly, and a draft takes it away, and it gets flushed down a toilet by mistake? I’m kidding, of course.

Frank: Oh, sure. You’re speculating in a comic mode.

Karl: In a humorous vein. We’re not gonna let that little princess screw things up, right, Frank? Gerri’s gonna block me. I want out. I want my f*ckin’ package.
I am halfway in on a Greek island with my brother in law.

Gerri: Say, what’s up, boys?

Sounds like they’re talking about Gerri.

Gerri is hardly a princess. It was Shiv.

That doesn't make sense, though. Why would they refer to her, and not Kendall or Roman? Why single her out?

Karl said princes, not princess.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes more sense to me that he had crossed out Kendall and pencilled in Kerri. Then the old guard erased Kerri.

Remember Kerri was talking about a piece of paper -- maybe this was it.

It makes sense to me that Logan would have done this after his last in person meeting with the three kids -- remember him saying that they were not serious people, with disgust? He was fed up with all of them. Maybe he actually did mean to put Kerri in charge, though that's a little crazy itself also. But understood in the course of these events, kind of makes sense.

Maybe Roman will get in touch with Kerri to try to understand what his dad was thinking on the day he died, and figure some of this out. He has seen the paper so if they talk about it she might get Roman to understand that's the paper she was talking about. This would also explain why she was so frantic about it.

It sounds kind of farfetched but I agree, in context, it could be what happened. If Logan's health was really bad it could also have influenced his judgment. Maybe he was so unhappy after that last meeting with he kids at the karaoke club that he comes home and talks to Kerri in his study and has a drink or two, decides to pencil her onto this paper in a fit of pique, etc. Maybe he's having chest pains or other physical issues that are influencing him in that moment. Then he gets on a plane and dies. I doubt Logan would actually try to name Kerri his successor if given more than 12 hours to think about it and calm down, but he just happened to die right after that fight and while in the constant presence of Kerri. I think it could happen.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Karl: I mean could it, might it just go away? I mean it might get lost. I hope it doesn’t, but what if your hand goes a little wobbly, and a draft takes it away, and it gets flushed down a toilet by mistake? I’m kidding, of course.

Frank: Oh, sure. You’re speculating in a comic mode.

Karl: In a humorous vein. We’re not gonna let that little princess screw things up, right, Frank? Gerri’s gonna block me. I want out. I want my f*ckin’ package.
I am halfway in on a Greek island with my brother in law.

Gerri: Say, what’s up, boys?

Sounds like they’re talking about Gerri.

Gerri is hardly a princess. It was Shiv.

That doesn't make sense, though. Why would they refer to her, and not Kendall or Roman? Why single her out?

Karl said princes, not princess.

So you're saying he said "That little princes isn't going to screw this up for me"? Was he having a stroke while he said it? And the paper doesn't even mention Roman so why is Karl jumping to the conclusion that it implicates him? The only reason it winds up being Kendall and Roman as co-CEOs is because Kendall makes a deal with Roman in order to avoid a big fight over it, in the same way he makes a deal with Stewie. But the paper only mentions Kendall.

He said princess, singular, not princes, plural.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else notice Jamie Chung as Connor's wedding planner? I remember when she was on Real World, I think San Diego.

I did not! She did look familiar. Thanks for pointing that out. I think she was recently on a cake or fake show on Netflix with her husband.

Also Milton from office space was speaking in the dining room.

[Anonymous]

I think he said “Princess” but was referring to Kendall. That’s how I read it, as a misogynistic derogatory comment. Mostly because I don’t see them having the balls to erase and I don’t see them being able to erase well enough. But maybe if it was light they could, yeah.

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Anonymous wrote:I think he said “Princess” but was referring to Kendall. That’s how I read it, as a misogynistic derogatory comment. Mostly because I don’t see them having the balls to erase and I don’t see them being able to erase well enough. But maybe if it was light they could, yeah.

I just don’t see they they’d have the level of surprise and alarm that they had , if it just said Kendall. Like how is that a surprise? They knew he intended for Kendall to take over for a long, long time so it would make sense there would be a paper in there with his name, especially undated. And he is not some unknown wild card, AND he wants the deal to go through, so while the old guard might not like seeing his name there I just don’t buy the level of panic that Frank and Karl had, if the paper just said Kendall.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes more sense to me that he had crossed out Kendall and pencilled in Kerri. Then the old guard erased Kerri.

Remember Kerri was talking about a piece of paper -- maybe this was it.

It makes sense to me that Logan would have done this after his last in person meeting with the three kids -- remember him saying that they were not serious people, with disgust? He was fed up with all of them. Maybe he actually did mean to put Kerri in charge, though that's a little crazy itself also. But understood in the course of these events, kind of makes sense.

Maybe Roman will get in touch with Kerri to try to understand what his dad was thinking on the day he died, and figure some of this out. He has seen the paper so if they talk about it she might get Roman to understand that's the paper she was talking about. This would also explain why she was so frantic about it.

It sounds kind of farfetched but I agree, in context, it could be what happened. If Logan's health was really bad it could also have influenced his judgment. Maybe he was so unhappy after that last meeting with he kids at the karaoke club that he comes home and talks to Kerri in his study and has a drink or two, decides to pencil her onto this paper in a fit of pique, etc. Maybe he's having chest pains or other physical issues that are influencing him in that moment. Then he gets on a plane and dies. I doubt Logan would actually try to name Kerri his successor if given more than 12 hours to think about it and calm down, but he just happened to die right after that fight and while in the constant presence of Kerri. I think it could happen.

They made such a big deal about Kerri wanting to find a piece of paper in that last episode -- I wonder whether that's really where they're going with this. I like the prior idea about maybe they changed Kerri's name to Greg which as Greg would be laughable, but as Kerri more believable. And they were SO CAREFUL to float everything in front of the kids as if to be square with everyone, when maybe they were really hiding the ball.

The conversation Kendall had with Frank about his father hating him, and Frank reassuring him that Logan loved him. Frank was selling it a little, maybe.

This makes me think that maybe Roman will have a little more power because he will figure out the paper issue involving Kerri. I will be sad if the finale is Roman gaining power but only after losing his one weakness/strength, which was his unwillingness to screw over other people. He could betray Kendall by alluding to him killing the waiter. He could betray Kerri (who he was showing some pity for) by believing her about the paper but not doing anything about it (or just using it to his own advantage). I'm sure he could betray Shiv as well. In some ways Roman is better suited to run things, but I would be a little sad if he loses his humanity to do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It makes more sense to me that he had crossed out Kendall and pencilled in Kerri. Then the old guard erased Kerri.

Remember Kerri was talking about a piece of paper -- maybe this was it.

It makes sense to me that Logan would have done this after his last in person meeting with the three kids -- remember him saying that they were not serious people, with disgust? He was fed up with all of them. Maybe he actually did mean to put Kerri in charge, though that's a little crazy itself also. But understood in the course of these events, kind of makes sense.

Maybe Roman will get in touch with Kerri to try to understand what his dad was thinking on the day he died, and figure some of this out. He has seen the paper so if they talk about it she might get Roman to understand that's the paper she was talking about. This would also explain why she was so frantic about it.

It sounds kind of farfetched but I agree, in context, it could be what happened. If Logan's health was really bad it could also have influenced his judgment. Maybe he was so unhappy after that last meeting with he kids at the karaoke club that he comes home and talks to Kerri in his study and has a drink or two, decides to pencil her onto this paper in a fit of pique, etc. Maybe he's having chest pains or other physical issues that are influencing him in that moment. Then he gets on a plane and dies. I doubt Logan would actually try to name Kerri his successor if given more than 12 hours to think about it and calm down, but he just happened to die right after that fight and while in the constant presence of Kerri. I think it could happen.

They made such a big deal about Kerri wanting to find a piece of paper in that last episode -- I wonder whether that's really where they're going with this. I like the prior idea about maybe they changed Kerri's name to Greg which as Greg would be laughable, but as Kerri more believable. And they were SO CAREFUL to float everything in front of the kids as if to be square with everyone, when maybe they were really hiding the ball.

The conversation Kendall had with Frank about his father hating him, and Frank reassuring him that Logan loved him. Frank was selling it a little, maybe.

This makes me think that maybe Roman will have a little more power because he will figure out the paper issue involving Kerri. I will be sad if the finale is Roman gaining power but only after losing his one weakness/strength, which was his unwillingness to screw over other people. He could betray Kendall by alluding to him killing the waiter. He could betray Kerri (who he was showing some pity for) by believing her about the paper but not doing anything about it (or just using it to his own advantage). I'm sure he could betray Shiv as well. In some ways Roman is better suited to run things, but I would be a little sad if he loses his humanity to do it.

Roman is a bit better than the others but he’s no saint.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes more sense to me that he had crossed out Kendall and pencilled in Kerri. Then the old guard erased Kerri.

Remember Kerri was talking about a piece of paper -- maybe this was it.

It makes sense to me that Logan would have done this after his last in person meeting with the three kids -- remember him saying that they were not serious people, with disgust? He was fed up with all of them. Maybe he actually did mean to put Kerri in charge, though that's a little crazy itself also. But understood in the course of these events, kind of makes sense.

Maybe Roman will get in touch with Kerri to try to understand what his dad was thinking on the day he died, and figure some of this out. He has seen the paper so if they talk about it she might get Roman to understand that's the paper she was talking about. This would also explain why she was so frantic about it.

Logan seems to let the newest lady in his life turn his head. Remember Rhea Jarrel? He was acting like a fool there.

[Anonymous]

Random tidbit I just read: the shirt Shiv is wearing when Dr. Sharon calls with test results is a University of Minnesota t shirt. Hence since Tom is from Minneapolis it is probably an old shirt of Tom's.

Interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:Random tidbit I just read: the shirt Shiv is wearing when Dr. Sharon calls with test results is a University of Minnesota t shirt. Hence since Tom is from Minneapolis it is probably an old shirt of Tom's.

Interesting.

I thought he was "the kid from St Paul"