Airplane noise concerns overblown?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:they are overblown.

If you think it's an issue, just move. I don't understand why you people think you have a position here? You live in a dense area with a nearby airport...stop complaining about something that is in your control.

New windows, better insulation, upgrade your home or move.

You can't escape unless you move out of DC metro altogether. There area 2 major airports and one is smack in the middle of what became a very densely populated collection of urban and suburban communities (DC, MD, VA). Flight paths change depending on who is lobbying and even if you aren't in a flight path today, you can be tomorrow or vice versa. Also paths change depending on weather/wind. So, visiting the area when you are buying the house and sitting there for 1 hour on a given day doesn't give you accurate picture of the noise pattern you may encounter living there full time. Stop being snobby if you happen to be lucky now. It's a big issue for a lot of communities and for everyone who isn't a hermit locked up in their house listening to headphones or a TV with closed windows or not spending much time at home.

That’s not true at all. At all.

This is just another attempt at gaslighting.

First was calling people crazy and over sensitive

Now, that the noise and pollution are a clear and undeniable threat to health and wellbeing and future resale potential and values, it’s everywhere in DC. Well, that’s just not true.

Even outside Mass Ave Heights and Woodley Park no flight zone (that circle should be the goal for anyone who can afford it and cares about this issue), MOST of DC has no issue.

Avoid Foxhall, Kent, Berkeley, Burleith and you are good.

Avoid Brookmont, Westmoreland Hills, Sumner, Glen Echo too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about people who have lived in Potomac for 20 plus years and the amount of planes flying over head has increased exponentially. It was not an issue at the time. It begins around 5:30am and continues late into the evening. Sometimes during the day 3-4
Planes fly every 10 minutes.

My understanding is that the situation in Potomac is a lot better than further south in moco. Every 10 minutes? It's like every 2 mins (or worse) at some points during the day in Brookmont.

You do realize that the Potomac residents are running this show, right?

Yes, I am aware of this fact. Sad that they still complain, but increasing wealth tends to go hand in hand with being an obstreperous ass.

Brookmont civic association supported all the initiatives put forward by the MoCo reps on the DCA Community Noise Working Group including those that put airplanes departing DCA closer to your community like those that were implemented in 2021. I am sure you were told you must share the noise and not expect much because you should have known when you bought your house it was close to the airport and the river.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Changes in MoCo have not yet been implemented.

However, major changes are coming to Alexandria and Fairfax County. Here's more info:
https://www.vianair.com/soa/

Seems like the southbound river operation has gotten a lot quieter for folks living along the river. Northbound takeoffs are still noisy (on the moco side). Any idea when the northbound changes will be implemented?

Do you mind explaining what the changes will be? We are looking in MoCo.

My understanding is that they will move to using a new waypoint that sits a bit further east along the river, right over Langley. The southbound ops have become quite a lot nicer---planes no longer do the overland procedure that previously took them directly overhead through GEH, Brookmont, and down to Georgetown---they stick to the River. There is still some noise, but it's not bad since the planes are also quieter when landing. Takeoffs are another matter, and the new waypoint (DARIC-ABCX?) does not seem to be implemented yet.

All of these "over the river" statements are just a red herring coming from the Potomac community. The original goal of this particular change was to address the channelization in the Potomac/Cabin John area. Now the arriving flights will be descending over a wider area between Seven Locks Rd and McArthur and not just over Avenel/Persimmon tree rd. They started testing this procedure 2-3 years ago. This is the key component of the change.

Arriving planes already fly over the river so that will not change. However, they don't always fly over the river in very poor weather conditions and that is where the change will be felt for the better I hope. Also, some arrivals from the west will be joining the river earlier than right now to increase the dispersal.

So, what's the upshot?

Depends where you live.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:What about people who have lived in Potomac for 20 plus years and the amount of planes flying over head has increased exponentially. It was not an issue at the time. It begins around 5:30am and continues late into the evening. Sometimes during the day 3-4
Planes fly every 10 minutes.

My understanding is that the situation in Potomac is a lot better than further south in moco. Every 10 minutes? It's like every 2 mins (or worse) at some points during the day in Brookmont.

You do realize that the Potomac residents are running this show, right?

Yes, I am aware of this fact. Sad that they still complain, but increasing wealth tends to go hand in hand with being an obstreperous ass.

Brookmont civic association supported all the initiatives put forward by the MoCo reps on the DCA Community Noise Working Group including those that put airplanes departing DCA closer to your community like those that were implemented in 2021. I am sure you were told you must share the noise and not expect much because you should have known when you bought your house it was close to the airport and the river.

We knew. We are OK with it and enjoy being able to walk to the C&O whenever we want. We just find the Potomac poster's complaints to be completely in-character

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about people who have lived in Potomac for 20 plus years and the amount of planes flying over head has increased exponentially. It was not an issue at the time. It begins around 5:30am and continues late into the evening. Sometimes during the day 3-4
Planes fly every 10 minutes.

My understanding is that the situation in Potomac is a lot better than further south in moco. Every 10 minutes? It's like every 2 mins (or worse) at some points during the day in Brookmont.

You do realize that the Potomac residents are running this show, right?

Yes, I am aware of this fact. Sad that they still complain, but increasing wealth tends to go hand in hand with being an obstreperous ass.

Brookmont civic association supported all the initiatives put forward by the MoCo reps on the DCA Community Noise Working Group including those that put airplanes departing DCA closer to your community like those that were implemented in 2021. I am sure you were told you must share the noise and not expect much because you should have known when you bought your house it was close to the airport and the river.

We knew. We are OK with it and enjoy being able to walk to the C&O whenever we want. We just find the Potomac poster's complaints to be completely in-character

Were you really fine with not having any opportunities to ask questions, provide feedback or comment on the proposals that were affecting your community? Wow.

[Anonymous]

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/new-faa-guidance-attempts-decrease-noise-residents-living-near-reagan-airport

This was just on TV. Can somebody explain to me what it means for Palisades? I cannot see how guidance to pilots is going to make any difference. Also the flight path for arrivals is currently on the west side of the Potomac River. Is moving it to the river and closer to the Palisades going to lessen the noise for the Palisades? I am confused!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about people who have lived in Potomac for 20 plus years and the amount of planes flying over head has increased exponentially. It was not an issue at the time. It begins around 5:30am and continues late into the evening. Sometimes during the day 3-4
Planes fly every 10 minutes.

My understanding is that the situation in Potomac is a lot better than further south in moco. Every 10 minutes? It's like every 2 mins (or worse) at some points during the day in Brookmont.

You do realize that the Potomac residents are running this show, right?

Yes, I am aware of this fact. Sad that they still complain, but increasing wealth tends to go hand in hand with being an obstreperous ass.

Brookmont civic association supported all the initiatives put forward by the MoCo reps on the DCA Community Noise Working Group including those that put airplanes departing DCA closer to your community like those that were implemented in 2021. I am sure you were told you must share the noise and not expect much because you should have known when you bought your house it was close to the airport and the river.

We knew. We are OK with it and enjoy being able to walk to the C&O whenever we want. We just find the Potomac poster's complaints to be completely in-character

Were you really fine with not having any opportunities to ask questions, provide feedback or comment on the proposals that were affecting your community? Wow.

It all happened before we bought our home. I am the OP and am happy to see this thread still open, continuing to attract ire and rebukes from both the "what noise?" and "ultrafine ppm will kill you" crowds. I'm happy to report that life in Glen Echo is wonderful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.fox5dc.com/news/new-faa-guidance-attempts-decrease-noise-residents-living-near-reagan-airport

This was just on TV. Can somebody explain to me what it means for Palisades? I cannot see how guidance to pilots is going to make any difference. Also the flight path for arrivals is currently on the west side of the Potomac River. Is moving it to the river and closer to the Palisades going to lessen the noise for the Palisades? I am confused!

It means that the overland procedure they used to use for southbound flights during stormy weather (actually from my experience during both good and bad weather) is no longer being used, and planes will stick to the river. If you live along MacArthur you won't have planes flying directly over your house anymore. So a good thing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about people who have lived in Potomac for 20 plus years and the amount of planes flying over head has increased exponentially. It was not an issue at the time. It begins around 5:30am and continues late into the evening. Sometimes during the day 3-4
Planes fly every 10 minutes.

My understanding is that the situation in Potomac is a lot better than further south in moco. Every 10 minutes? It's like every 2 mins (or worse) at some points during the day in Brookmont.

You do realize that the Potomac residents are running this show, right?

Yes, I am aware of this fact. Sad that they still complain, but increasing wealth tends to go hand in hand with being an obstreperous ass.

Brookmont civic association supported all the initiatives put forward by the MoCo reps on the DCA Community Noise Working Group including those that put airplanes departing DCA closer to your community like those that were implemented in 2021. I am sure you were told you must share the noise and not expect much because you should have known when you bought your house it was close to the airport and the river.

We knew. We are OK with it and enjoy being able to walk to the C&O whenever we want. We just find the Potomac poster's complaints to be completely in-character

Were you really fine with not having any opportunities to ask questions, provide feedback or comment on the proposals that were affecting your community? Wow.

It all happened before we bought our home. I am the OP and am happy to see this thread still open, continuing to attract ire and rebukes from both the "what noise?" and "ultrafine ppm will kill you" crowds. I'm happy to report that life in Glen Echo is wonderful.

I doubt that very much. Are you getting ready to sell or something?

Ultrafines by the way are very likely to kill you but are more dangerous to the children living there who don’t get a say. It’s like saying living above a gas station is wonderful. Maybe but science disagrees

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fox5dc.com/news/new-faa-guidance-attempts-decrease-noise-residents-living-near-reagan-airport

This was just on TV. Can somebody explain to me what it means for Palisades? I cannot see how guidance to pilots is going to make any difference. Also the flight path for arrivals is currently on the west side of the Potomac River. Is moving it to the river and closer to the Palisades going to lessen the noise for the Palisades? I am confused!

It means that the overland procedure they used to use for southbound flights during stormy weather (actually from my experience during both good and bad weather) is no longer being used, and planes will stick to the river. If you live along MacArthur you won't have planes flying directly over your house anymore. So a good thing!

There’s no way that will happen. If by some miracle it did, the traffic from the other direction means thousands of other flights still will.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fox5dc.com/news/new-faa-guidance-attempts-decrease-noise-residents-living-near-reagan-airport

This was just on TV. Can somebody explain to me what it means for Palisades? I cannot see how guidance to pilots is going to make any difference. Also the flight path for arrivals is currently on the west side of the Potomac River. Is moving it to the river and closer to the Palisades going to lessen the noise for the Palisades? I am confused!

It means that the overland procedure they used to use for southbound flights during stormy weather (actually from my experience during both good and bad weather) is no longer being used, and planes will stick to the river. If you live along MacArthur you won't have planes flying directly over your house anymore. So a good thing!

As per usual, only the rosy version for dcum (those properties won’t sell themselves). Meanwhile on the listserve:
“ The FAA's new flight path has airplanes landing at DCA track more closely over the Potomac River.
The shift does not reduce noise from airplanes departing National Airport.”

[Anonymous]

Four points worth remembering:
1. There are 850 planes per day from DCA alone (and that’s NOT the only traffic over the Palisades)
2. Let’s say that the landings are now quieter (I’ll believe it when I see it), 400 planes will still be guaranteed over these houses from DCA alone each and every day (and that’s NOT the only air traffic)
3. Take offs are noisier, so that the Palisades are celebrating this small relief tells you everything you need to know about what hell it is to live under that kind of flight path
4. This isn’t long lived since DCA is expanding. This does not affect any other air traffic — Dulles etc which still fly over the Palisades. In the long run investing under the flight path sounds like a terrible idea

[Anonymous]

A somewhat superficial summary

https://www.axios.com/local/washington-dc/2024/08/12/reagan-national-airport-dca-airplane-noise

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fox5dc.com/news/new-faa-guidance-attempts-decrease-noise-residents-living-near-reagan-airport

This was just on TV. Can somebody explain to me what it means for Palisades? I cannot see how guidance to pilots is going to make any difference. Also the flight path for arrivals is currently on the west side of the Potomac River. Is moving it to the river and closer to the Palisades going to lessen the noise for the Palisades? I am confused!

It means that the overland procedure they used to use for southbound flights during stormy weather (actually from my experience during both good and bad weather) is no longer being used, and planes will stick to the river. If you live along MacArthur you won't have planes flying directly over your house anymore. So a good thing!

Thanks, but the article says this is just guidance to the pilots. How effective is that going to be? I read that the FAA is taking the procedure used during stormy weather out of service for 3 months only and after that it will be back in some form or another. So now the residents are going to think that this is really working right now.

Isn't the regular flight path used for approaches now closer to communities like the Palisades and Georgetown as part of these changes?

https://www.flyreagan.com/about-airport/aircraft-noise-information/dca-reagan-national-community-working-group