Petition to bring back SROs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our schools uses RJ. It's amazing when used correctly. You are really missing out.

Teacher here. I’ve seen RJ used many times over recent years. I’ve never seen it work. You do realize the students openly mock it, right? I’ve had students act out in front of me and say, “yeah? What are you gonna do about it? Put me in a f-ing circle?”

It’s a joke. The kids know it’s a joke. There are only a few idealistic (naive) adults who still think it’s worthwhile.

+1 My teens have stated that no one takes RJ seriously. Do the people who come up with this BS even know teens at all? Idiots.

If kids haven't learned right from wrong as teens, they need strong consequences not a discussion on their behavior with the child they hurt.

But a discussion with the child they hurt is exactly the consequence they need.

Have you met a violent teenager?

[Anonymous]

The target should be given the option to say whether they’re willing to have that conversation. Maybe they will later but not now, maybe they will never be ready to talk to the person targeting them, but it should be their choice. That’s how we handle it at the school where I teach. ( not mcps.) Sometimes the abusive student wants to apologize and they can’t, and that’s ok, because it’s not just about them. My school suspends and gives detentions and there are fewer repeat bullying situations as a result. I’m not opposed to RJ when done right, but not if it means revictimizing a kid or making them accept an inauthentic apology, and not if it means the perpetrator avoids a real consequence. We need to prepare kids for the real world. If they assault someone they could go to jail as an adult.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our schools uses RJ. It's amazing when used correctly. You are really missing out.

Teacher here. I’ve seen RJ used many times over recent years. I’ve never seen it work. You do realize the students openly mock it, right? I’ve had students act out in front of me and say, “yeah? What are you gonna do about it? Put me in a f-ing circle?”

It’s a joke. The kids know it’s a joke. There are only a few idealistic (naive) adults who still think it’s worthwhile.

+1 My teens have stated that no one takes RJ seriously. Do the people who come up with this BS even know teens at all? Idiots.

If kids haven't learned right from wrong as teens, they need strong consequences not a discussion on their behavior with the child they hurt.

But a discussion with the child they hurt is exactly the consequence they need.

A discussion is not a punishment. If these kids had empathy it might work but if they had empathy they would not do it in the first place.

My kid is being bullied. You think seniors bullying a freshman are going to care about a discussion to be nice to them. That ship sailed long ago.

IKR! Bring back corporal punishment! Beating kids into submission cures so many of societies ills.

That’s your answer. No wonder kids act out. There are lots of things the school can do. Switch the bully out of the class, suspension, detention. People like you are why these things are happening.

Damn you, Poe's Law!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our schools uses RJ. It's amazing when used correctly. You are really missing out.

Teacher here. I’ve seen RJ used many times over recent years. I’ve never seen it work. You do realize the students openly mock it, right? I’ve had students act out in front of me and say, “yeah? What are you gonna do about it? Put me in a f-ing circle?”

It’s a joke. The kids know it’s a joke. There are only a few idealistic (naive) adults who still think it’s worthwhile.

+1 My teens have stated that no one takes RJ seriously. Do the people who come up with this BS even know teens at all? Idiots.

If kids haven't learned right from wrong as teens, they need strong consequences not a discussion on their behavior with the child they hurt.

But a discussion with the child they hurt is exactly the consequence they need.

Have you met a violent teenager?

Many. Either parents and others failed them when they were young or they have serious mental health issues. Either way they need to be in specialized programs. They don’t care and will go through the motion of apologizing and do it again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The target should be given the option to say whether they’re willing to have that conversation. Maybe they will later but not now, maybe they will never be ready to talk to the person targeting them, but it should be their choice. That’s how we handle it at the school where I teach. ( not mcps.) Sometimes the abusive student wants to apologize and they can’t, and that’s ok, because it’s not just about them. My school suspends and gives detentions and there are fewer repeat bullying situations as a result. I’m not opposed to RJ when done right, but not if it means revictimizing a kid or making them accept an inauthentic apology, and not if it means the perpetrator avoids a real consequence. We need to prepare kids for the real world. If they assault someone they could go to jail as an adult.

Is this mcps? They rarely suspend.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our schools uses RJ. It's amazing when used correctly. You are really missing out.

Teacher here. I’ve seen RJ used many times over recent years. I’ve never seen it work. You do realize the students openly mock it, right? I’ve had students act out in front of me and say, “yeah? What are you gonna do about it? Put me in a f-ing circle?”

It’s a joke. The kids know it’s a joke. There are only a few idealistic (naive) adults who still think it’s worthwhile.

+1 My teens have stated that no one takes RJ seriously. Do the people who come up with this BS even know teens at all? Idiots.

If kids haven't learned right from wrong as teens, they need strong consequences not a discussion on their behavior with the child they hurt.

But a discussion with the child they hurt is exactly the consequence they need.

No! A discussion is not a consequence. It also requires more from the victim, who already suffered enough. They shouldn’t have to help their own perpetrators.

Perhaps but it's best to start a conversation.

So, we have a discussion that gives the misbehaving child the attention they want and just accept a meaningless apology and child does it again. How many times do other kids need to put up with it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our schools uses RJ. It's amazing when used correctly. You are really missing out.

Teacher here. I’ve seen RJ used many times over recent years. I’ve never seen it work. You do realize the students openly mock it, right? I’ve had students act out in front of me and say, “yeah? What are you gonna do about it? Put me in a f-ing circle?”

It’s a joke. The kids know it’s a joke. There are only a few idealistic (naive) adults who still think it’s worthwhile.

+1 My teens have stated that no one takes RJ seriously. Do the people who come up with this BS even know teens at all? Idiots.

If kids haven't learned right from wrong as teens, they need strong consequences not a discussion on their behavior with the child they hurt.

But a discussion with the child they hurt is exactly the consequence they need.

No! A discussion is not a consequence. It also requires more from the victim, who already suffered enough. They shouldn’t have to help their own perpetrators.

Perhaps but it's best to start a conversation.

That sounds like a great way to address these problems. If only the regressive would give RJ a chance.

Nope. Those of us who have it a chance have already dismissed it as useless. The only people who support RJ now are either 1) people who are employed to keep the idea alive or 2) people who have never actually seen it in action.

3) they have some kind of secondary gain or 4) their kids are mean and bullies and they don’t care.

[Anonymous]

Not sure what you're talking about. RJ is amazing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what you're talking about. RJ is amazing!

How is it amazing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our schools uses RJ. It's amazing when used correctly. You are really missing out.

Teacher here. I’ve seen RJ used many times over recent years. I’ve never seen it work. You do realize the students openly mock it, right? I’ve had students act out in front of me and say, “yeah? What are you gonna do about it? Put me in a f-ing circle?”

It’s a joke. The kids know it’s a joke. There are only a few idealistic (naive) adults who still think it’s worthwhile.

+1 My teens have stated that no one takes RJ seriously. Do the people who come up with this BS even know teens at all? Idiots.

If kids haven't learned right from wrong as teens, they need strong consequences not a discussion on their behavior with the child they hurt.

But a discussion with the child they hurt is exactly the consequence they need.

A discussion is not a punishment. If these kids had empathy it might work but if they had empathy they would not do it in the first place.

My kid is being bullied. You think seniors bullying a freshman are going to care about a discussion to be nice to them. That ship sailed long ago.

IKR! Bring back corporal punishment! Beating kids into submission cures so many of societies ills.

What drama. Suspension or expulsion does not mean beating kids into submission.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The target should be given the option to say whether they’re willing to have that conversation. Maybe they will later but not now, maybe they will never be ready to talk to the person targeting them, but it should be their choice. That’s how we handle it at the school where I teach. ( not mcps.) Sometimes the abusive student wants to apologize and they can’t, and that’s ok, because it’s not just about them. My school suspends and gives detentions and there are fewer repeat bullying situations as a result. I’m not opposed to RJ when done right, but not if it means revictimizing a kid or making them accept an inauthentic apology, and not if it means the perpetrator avoids a real consequence. We need to prepare kids for the real world. If they assault someone they could go to jail as an adult.

Is this mcps? They rarely suspend.

This is not how I've seen it done at our school and when they do suspend- the bully is back 2-3 days later. From personal experience, I've seen firsthand where the victim was basically forced to have an RJ session with their bully. Victim told the counselor that she wanted nothing to do with the bully, didn't want to talk to her. Counselor said she didn't have a choice. Victim was forced to have the meeting and bully acted apologetic and blamed her behavior on her upbringing, broken family. Victim is now supposed to feel sad for the bully. Afterwards, bully went around and told everyone that she would beat the hell out of the victim and anyone else who snitched. Victim was so distraught that her parents found a way to use another address to transfer to a different school. This my friends, is how it works. MCPS will protect bullies over victims. Many times, its the victims who are compelled/forced to leave the school because the bully gets to stay and gets away with their despicable behavior with little to no consequence. What kind of lesson does that teach all students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The target should be given the option to say whether they’re willing to have that conversation. Maybe they will later but not now, maybe they will never be ready to talk to the person targeting them, but it should be their choice. That’s how we handle it at the school where I teach. ( not mcps.) Sometimes the abusive student wants to apologize and they can’t, and that’s ok, because it’s not just about them. My school suspends and gives detentions and there are fewer repeat bullying situations as a result. I’m not opposed to RJ when done right, but not if it means revictimizing a kid or making them accept an inauthentic apology, and not if it means the perpetrator avoids a real consequence. We need to prepare kids for the real world. If they assault someone they could go to jail as an adult.

Is this mcps? They rarely suspend.

This is not how I've seen it done at our school and when they do suspend- the bully is back 2-3 days later. From personal experience, I've seen firsthand where the victim was basically forced to have an RJ session with their bully. Victim told the counselor that she wanted nothing to do with the bully, didn't want to talk to her. Counselor said she didn't have a choice. Victim was forced to have the meeting and bully acted apologetic and blamed her behavior on her upbringing, broken family. Victim is now supposed to feel sad for the bully. Afterwards, bully went around and told everyone that she would beat the hell out of the victim and anyone else who snitched. Victim was so distraught that her parents found a way to use another address to transfer to a different school. This my friends, is how it works. MCPS will protect bullies over victims. Many times, its the victims who are compelled/forced to leave the school because the bully gets to stay and gets away with their despicable behavior with little to no consequence. What kind of lesson does that teach all students?

What's ridiculous is this behavior would never be acceptable at most of our workplaces, but yet it's okay for our kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our schools uses RJ. It's amazing when used correctly. You are really missing out.

Teacher here. I’ve seen RJ used many times over recent years. I’ve never seen it work. You do realize the students openly mock it, right? I’ve had students act out in front of me and say, “yeah? What are you gonna do about it? Put me in a f-ing circle?”

It’s a joke. The kids know it’s a joke. There are only a few idealistic (naive) adults who still think it’s worthwhile.

+1 My teens have stated that no one takes RJ seriously. Do the people who come up with this BS even know teens at all? Idiots.

If kids haven't learned right from wrong as teens, they need strong consequences not a discussion on their behavior with the child they hurt.

But a discussion with the child they hurt is exactly the consequence they need.

Have you met a violent teenager?

Many. Either parents and others failed them when they were young or they have serious mental health issues. Either way they need to be in specialized programs. They don’t care and will go through the motion of apologizing and do it again.

As in Gaithersburg locker room sexual assault. The perpetrator apologized 5 times because he was told he had to. He denied any assault ever happened.

[Anonymous]

I don't know about this SRO thinge. It really didn't do much good at Parkland or Uvalde.

[Anonymous]

RJ done right works. A right jab in the gut.