FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

+1. Herndon mom here. We don’t need disgruntled former Langley families complaining about being forced to move to FARMS school. Please go private, but continue paying those Fairfax taxes.

You don’t realize that you’re the problem, not your kids. You’re lazy and happy to take other people’s resources.

You keep saying you don’t need us, then make comments like this saying the exact opposite. Do you depend on us or do you want nothing to do with us?

I think the Herndon parents would be happy to welcome any family that attends HHS without the grumbling, kevetching, and calling the kids who attend the school gang bangers. They are less thrilled to have the families who seem to think that their kids will be attending a school that is inferior with kids that they look down on or are afraid of. To be frank, your attitude sucks. No one doubts the desire to want to provide the best you can for your child but in doing so you are spending a lot of time trashing another group of kids and their school. It is not a good look.

It may not be a good look but it reflects the attitude of Langley parents. As a group, and especially when they get together and work themselves into a collective frenzy, they are just awful.

I generally think Great Falls residents are amazing. It’s funny the SJWs in this site really have changed my political views, but not in the way that they would have hoped.

You just stereotyped all Great Falls as awful. Have fun working the PTA with people you dislike so much!

The critics forget themselves. McLean carries the financial weight of FCPS and can create its own school district, avoid this mess, preserve our home values, and ensure the richness of the schools and their programs. If we decide, what options do the critics have? In truth, nothing. McLean has all to gain and nothing to lose. It fundraises Fairfax Democrats, and any aspiring politician will toe the line. This current bunch has forgotten its place. People moved to McLean for a reason. Accept that reality and pick another target.

They actually can't

If they can't follow suit as Fairfax City and Falls Church has done (hard to believe why they couldn't secede), they could just take over the party with candidates of their choosing.

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

Well. “Should” is a matter of opinion. But it’s cool either way. And don’t forget some rezoned people actually won’t mind and find that they like the new school.

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

+1. Herndon mom here. We don’t need disgruntled former Langley families complaining about being forced to move to FARMS school. Please go private, but continue paying those Fairfax taxes.

You don’t realize that you’re the problem, not your kids. You’re lazy and happy to take other people’s resources.

You keep saying you don’t need us, then make comments like this saying the exact opposite. Do you depend on us or do you want nothing to do with us?

I think the Herndon parents would be happy to welcome any family that attends HHS without the grumbling, kevetching, and calling the kids who attend the school gang bangers. They are less thrilled to have the families who seem to think that their kids will be attending a school that is inferior with kids that they look down on or are afraid of. To be frank, your attitude sucks. No one doubts the desire to want to provide the best you can for your child but in doing so you are spending a lot of time trashing another group of kids and their school. It is not a good look.

It may not be a good look but it reflects the attitude of Langley parents. As a group, and especially when they get together and work themselves into a collective frenzy, they are just awful.

I generally think Great Falls residents are amazing. It’s funny the SJWs in this site really have changed my political views, but not in the way that they would have hoped.

You just stereotyped all Great Falls as awful. Have fun working the PTA with people you dislike so much!

The critics forget themselves. McLean carries the financial weight of FCPS and can create its own school district, avoid this mess, preserve our home values, and ensure the richness of the schools and their programs. If we decide, what options do the critics have? In truth, nothing. McLean has all to gain and nothing to lose. It fundraises Fairfax Democrats, and any aspiring politician will toe the line. This current bunch has forgotten its place. People moved to McLean for a reason. Accept that reality and pick another target.

They actually can't

If they can't follow suit as Fairfax City and Falls Church has done (hard to believe why they couldn't secede), they could just take over the party with candidates of their choosing.

Current state law says they can't. They can try to take over the party, but good luck with that

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

+1. Herndon mom here. We don’t need disgruntled former Langley families complaining about being forced to move to FARMS school. Please go private, but continue paying those Fairfax taxes.

Convince enough of them to leave FCPS and they stop supporting taxes for schools. That's how the cycle works. First you convince those with means to leave. Then they support low tax candidates. The schools then get worse. More parents leave. Less support for the schools...

Most people in FCPS don’t have the money or the creativity to leave the system.
Picking up and moving would do it.

There are several nice towns close enough to drive in a couple times a week for those with hybrid flexibility.

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly is involved in a "residency check?"

Many schools across the country do this.

You bring in a current copy of a utility bill, car tax statement, personal property tax statement, mortgage statement, or signed current lease to the office when you register your kid in FCPS. The address must be located within the school zone and have one parent or guardian's name on it.

A residency check would require parents do this each year, or the year before any rezoning is implemented.

Addresses that do not match must return to their zoned school.

Grandma's address does not work unless she is the legal guardian.

All of my kids knew of several kids attending our high school (one discussed extensively on this thread as a rezoning target) who lived in houses zoned for neighboring schools. One of my kid's friends moved during middle school from their small townhouse in zone, to a very big, nice, newer house zoned for one of the low performing schools discusses in this thread.

Their family moved in 7th grade. The kid graduated with my kid. The kid spend 8th-12th grade attending our school instead of their zoned middle and high school.

Another one of my kids friends moved at the end of elementary school from a nice house in our neighborhood to a huge house zoned for a nearby high school discussed on this thread as a good school with lower enrollment.

That family used a family member's address to stay in our middle and high school for all of 7th through 12th grade graduation. They used this address even after the house was sold to a family with kids.

Every school year my kids end up at a team party or social event at a house not zoned for our high school. Different kids, different grades, different families.

They are able to do this because FCPS only checks residency 1 time.

You could easily register your kid in kindergarten at one address, move to another pyramid in 1st grade, and stay in the original pyramid through high school graduation by not changing your address. I am sure there are plenty of families that do this, especially for middle and high school.

Perhaps the problem is not as big as it seems to me, but I think it is far bigger than FCPS wants to admit.

If they are going to rezone our high school, then they owe it to the families to 1) use accurate numbers, not inflated projections, to justify the rezoning and 2) do a full residency check prior to rezoning so affected families and the district are certain that the school is overcrowded with residents, and not falsely inflated by kids who are zoned to other high schools.

You can require proof of residency to enroll a kid. Once enrolled, it gets a lot more questionable especially if they don't have a plan for what happens if the parents don't bring documents. Regardless of whether or not the parents provide anything, the kid is already enrolled and entitled to a public education.

They could reassign the student to another school that has a lower enrollment.

In what policy is that allowed? And they would have to send a one off bus for that student.

Keep dreaming.

My point is, that WOULD BE the policy. And no, they don't have to send a "one off" bus-especially because if the parent told them where to send the bus, that would make it obvious where the student actually lives.
Parent is to provide transportation to school if the parent fails to produce proof of residence so that a school bus stop can be assigned. Simple.

Oh I see, so you’re advocating for a theoretical policy. What happens when you send the person without a car to a different school as punishment for the infraction?

Gotta think before you post.

Being removed to go to your assigned school is not a punishment.

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

+1. Herndon mom here. We don’t need disgruntled former Langley families complaining about being forced to move to FARMS school. Please go private, but continue paying those Fairfax taxes.

You don’t realize that you’re the problem, not your kids. You’re lazy and happy to take other people’s resources.

You keep saying you don’t need us, then make comments like this saying the exact opposite. Do you depend on us or do you want nothing to do with us?

I think the Herndon parents would be happy to welcome any family that attends HHS without the grumbling, kevetching, and calling the kids who attend the school gang bangers. They are less thrilled to have the families who seem to think that their kids will be attending a school that is inferior with kids that they look down on or are afraid of. To be frank, your attitude sucks. No one doubts the desire to want to provide the best you can for your child but in doing so you are spending a lot of time trashing another group of kids and their school. It is not a good look.

It may not be a good look but it reflects the attitude of Langley parents. As a group, and especially when they get together and work themselves into a collective frenzy, they are just awful.

I generally think Great Falls residents are amazing. It’s funny the SJWs in this site really have changed my political views, but not in the way that they would have hoped.

You just stereotyped all Great Falls as awful. Have fun working the PTA with people you dislike so much!

The critics forget themselves. McLean carries the financial weight of FCPS and can create its own school district, avoid this mess, preserve our home values, and ensure the richness of the schools and their programs. If we decide, what options do the critics have? In truth, nothing. McLean has all to gain and nothing to lose. It fundraises Fairfax Democrats, and any aspiring politician will toe the line. This current bunch has forgotten its place. People moved to McLean for a reason. Accept that reality and pick another target.

They actually can't

Right. That PP is ignorant, trolling, or both.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What exactly is involved in a "residency check?"

Many schools across the country do this.

You bring in a current copy of a utility bill, car tax statement, personal property tax statement, mortgage statement, or signed current lease to the office when you register your kid in FCPS. The address must be located within the school zone and have one parent or guardian's name on it.

A residency check would require parents do this each year, or the year before any rezoning is implemented.

Addresses that do not match must return to their zoned school.

Grandma's address does not work unless she is the legal guardian.

All of my kids knew of several kids attending our high school (one discussed extensively on this thread as a rezoning target) who lived in houses zoned for neighboring schools. One of my kid's friends moved during middle school from their small townhouse in zone, to a very big, nice, newer house zoned for one of the low performing schools discusses in this thread.

Their family moved in 7th grade. The kid graduated with my kid. The kid spend 8th-12th grade attending our school instead of their zoned middle and high school.

Another one of my kids friends moved at the end of elementary school from a nice house in our neighborhood to a huge house zoned for a nearby high school discussed on this thread as a good school with lower enrollment.

That family used a family member's address to stay in our middle and high school for all of 7th through 12th grade graduation. They used this address even after the house was sold to a family with kids.

Every school year my kids end up at a team party or social event at a house not zoned for our high school. Different kids, different grades, different families.

They are able to do this because FCPS only checks residency 1 time.

You could easily register your kid in kindergarten at one address, move to another pyramid in 1st grade, and stay in the original pyramid through high school graduation by not changing your address. I am sure there are plenty of families that do this, especially for middle and high school.

Perhaps the problem is not as big as it seems to me, but I think it is far bigger than FCPS wants to admit.

If they are going to rezone our high school, then they owe it to the families to 1) use accurate numbers, not inflated projections, to justify the rezoning and 2) do a full residency check prior to rezoning so affected families and the district are certain that the school is overcrowded with residents, and not falsely inflated by kids who are zoned to other high schools.

You can require proof of residency to enroll a kid. Once enrolled, it gets a lot more questionable especially if they don't have a plan for what happens if the parents don't bring documents. Regardless of whether or not the parents provide anything, the kid is already enrolled and entitled to a public education.

They could reassign the student to another school that has a lower enrollment.

In what policy is that allowed? And they would have to send a one off bus for that student.

Keep dreaming.

My point is, that WOULD BE the policy. And no, they don't have to send a "one off" bus-especially because if the parent told them where to send the bus, that would make it obvious where the student actually lives.
Parent is to provide transportation to school if the parent fails to produce proof of residence so that a school bus stop can be assigned. Simple.

Oh I see, so you’re advocating for a theoretical policy. What happens when you send the person without a car to a different school as punishment for the infraction?

Gotta think before you post.

Being removed to go to your assigned school is not a punishment.

Correct, if they were at their assigned school they would get bus service or be within the walk zone. Whereas at the out of boundary school they have to have someone drive them. One of the biggest contributors to absenteeism is the parent not getting the kid to school/to school on time, so a kid getting on the bus to their assigned school should help with the all important attendance.

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Anonymous wrote:I am sure many Great Falls parents are amazing, but there are also many loud ones who assume Herndon High School is a gang infested hell-hole. Seems like stereotyping to me. Despite having fewer legacy students, and parents with deep pockets to get their kids into all the right activities, we at Herndon, continue to send a good number of high achieving students to amazing universities.

My kid went to UVA, which may not be an Ivy league school, but from what I hear, is sought after at Langley and Mclean parents.

As I mentioned, I never thought about Herndon one way or another until this. You all are the ones putting words in our mouths calling your own school a “gang infested hell-hole”. I chose my words carefully and would never say that, in fact, I literally said a couple pages back that I’m sure there are good kids there. I also said I’ve read the articles, and from the face of it, there appears to be gang problems at the school. Call me racist or whatever you will, but we plan to avoid that dynamic for our kids - I’m still amazed that you all think that this is controversial.

I’m thrilled for you that you chose to go to Herndon and it worked out for your kids. I hope it works out for all kids at Herndon. But it isn’t the school that we signed up for, nor plan to attend. I’ll leave those UVA spots for whoever redistricting brings your way.

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There are thousands of kids at the wrong school illegally. The county has one attendance office with few people and the work to track down these people make it impossible to catch everyone. They usually save their resources for people traveling from another county or Maryland (yes it happens). Also kids with IEPS or behavior problems because they use more resources.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What exactly is involved in a "residency check?"

Many schools across the country do this.

You bring in a current copy of a utility bill, car tax statement, personal property tax statement, mortgage statement, or signed current lease to the office when you register your kid in FCPS. The address must be located within the school zone and have one parent or guardian's name on it.

A residency check would require parents do this each year, or the year before any rezoning is implemented.

Addresses that do not match must return to their zoned school.

Grandma's address does not work unless she is the legal guardian.

All of my kids knew of several kids attending our high school (one discussed extensively on this thread as a rezoning target) who lived in houses zoned for neighboring schools. One of my kid's friends moved during middle school from their small townhouse in zone, to a very big, nice, newer house zoned for one of the low performing schools discusses in this thread.

Their family moved in 7th grade. The kid graduated with my kid. The kid spend 8th-12th grade attending our school instead of their zoned middle and high school.

Another one of my kids friends moved at the end of elementary school from a nice house in our neighborhood to a huge house zoned for a nearby high school discussed on this thread as a good school with lower enrollment.

That family used a family member's address to stay in our middle and high school for all of 7th through 12th grade graduation. They used this address even after the house was sold to a family with kids.

Every school year my kids end up at a team party or social event at a house not zoned for our high school. Different kids, different grades, different families.

They are able to do this because FCPS only checks residency 1 time.

You could easily register your kid in kindergarten at one address, move to another pyramid in 1st grade, and stay in the original pyramid through high school graduation by not changing your address. I am sure there are plenty of families that do this, especially for middle and high school.

Perhaps the problem is not as big as it seems to me, but I think it is far bigger than FCPS wants to admit.

If they are going to rezone our high school, then they owe it to the families to 1) use accurate numbers, not inflated projections, to justify the rezoning and 2) do a full residency check prior to rezoning so affected families and the district are certain that the school is overcrowded with residents, and not falsely inflated by kids who are zoned to other high schools.

You can require proof of residency to enroll a kid. Once enrolled, it gets a lot more questionable especially if they don't have a plan for what happens if the parents don't bring documents. Regardless of whether or not the parents provide anything, the kid is already enrolled and entitled to a public education.

They could reassign the student to another school that has a lower enrollment.

In what policy is that allowed? And they would have to send a one off bus for that student.

Keep dreaming.

My point is, that WOULD BE the policy. And no, they don't have to send a "one off" bus-especially because if the parent told them where to send the bus, that would make it obvious where the student actually lives.
Parent is to provide transportation to school if the parent fails to produce proof of residence so that a school bus stop can be assigned. Simple.

Oh I see, so you’re advocating for a theoretical policy. What happens when you send the person without a car to a different school as punishment for the infraction?

Gotta think before you post.

Being removed to go to your assigned school is not a punishment.

Correct, if they were at their assigned school they would get bus service or be within the walk zone. Whereas at the out of boundary school they have to have someone drive them. One of the biggest contributors to absenteeism is the parent not getting the kid to school/to school on time, so a kid getting on the bus to their assigned school should help with the all important attendance.

Sorry maybe we’re talking past each other. I understood the original post to say someone caught skirting the rules would have their kids sent to an under enrolled school, not their base school. That’s the genesis of my pushback.

Ultimately, this seems more of an academic exercise than anything. There are just too many reasons to maintain the status quo, despite Herndon and Lewis zoned families taking advantage of it.

Anyone with $24k-$30k could probably take the rental approach with little risk.

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Anonymous wrote:I am sure many Great Falls parents are amazing, but there are also many loud ones who assume Herndon High School is a gang infested hell-hole. Seems like stereotyping to me. Despite having fewer legacy students, and parents with deep pockets to get their kids into all the right activities, we at Herndon, continue to send a good number of high achieving students to amazing universities.

My kid went to UVA, which may not be an Ivy league school, but from what I hear, is sought after at Langley and Mclean parents.

As I mentioned, I never thought about Herndon one way or another until this. You all are the ones putting words in our mouths calling your own school a “gang infested hell-hole”. I chose my words carefully and would never say that, in fact, I literally said a couple pages back that I’m sure there are good kids there. I also said I’ve read the articles, and from the face of it, there appears to be gang problems at the school. Call me racist or whatever you will, but we plan to avoid that dynamic for our kids - I’m still amazed that you all think that this is controversial.

I’m thrilled for you that you chose to go to Herndon and it worked out for your kids. I hope it works out for all kids at Herndon. But it isn’t the school that we signed up for, nor plan to attend. I’ll leave those UVA spots for whoever redistricting brings your way.

The time for average kids being able to get into a private high school was prior to covid. There aren't enough seats now so even the schools that used to take everyone are being choosy. If every kid in great falls starts trying to get out following a boundary change, lots of parents who thought they could choose private will be disappointed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly is involved in a "residency check?"

Many schools across the country do this.

You bring in a current copy of a utility bill, car tax statement, personal property tax statement, mortgage statement, or signed current lease to the office when you register your kid in FCPS. The address must be located within the school zone and have one parent or guardian's name on it.

A residency check would require parents do this each year, or the year before any rezoning is implemented.

Addresses that do not match must return to their zoned school.

Grandma's address does not work unless she is the legal guardian.

All of my kids knew of several kids attending our high school (one discussed extensively on this thread as a rezoning target) who lived in houses zoned for neighboring schools. One of my kid's friends moved during middle school from their small townhouse in zone, to a very big, nice, newer house zoned for one of the low performing schools discusses in this thread.

Their family moved in 7th grade. The kid graduated with my kid. The kid spend 8th-12th grade attending our school instead of their zoned middle and high school.

Another one of my kids friends moved at the end of elementary school from a nice house in our neighborhood to a huge house zoned for a nearby high school discussed on this thread as a good school with lower enrollment.

That family used a family member's address to stay in our middle and high school for all of 7th through 12th grade graduation. They used this address even after the house was sold to a family with kids.

Every school year my kids end up at a team party or social event at a house not zoned for our high school. Different kids, different grades, different families.

They are able to do this because FCPS only checks residency 1 time.

You could easily register your kid in kindergarten at one address, move to another pyramid in 1st grade, and stay in the original pyramid through high school graduation by not changing your address. I am sure there are plenty of families that do this, especially for middle and high school.

Perhaps the problem is not as big as it seems to me, but I think it is far bigger than FCPS wants to admit.

If they are going to rezone our high school, then they owe it to the families to 1) use accurate numbers, not inflated projections, to justify the rezoning and 2) do a full residency check prior to rezoning so affected families and the district are certain that the school is overcrowded with residents, and not falsely inflated by kids who are zoned to other high schools.

You can require proof of residency to enroll a kid. Once enrolled, it gets a lot more questionable especially if they don't have a plan for what happens if the parents don't bring documents. Regardless of whether or not the parents provide anything, the kid is already enrolled and entitled to a public education.

They could reassign the student to another school that has a lower enrollment.

In what policy is that allowed? And they would have to send a one off bus for that student.

Keep dreaming.

My point is, that WOULD BE the policy. And no, they don't have to send a "one off" bus-especially because if the parent told them where to send the bus, that would make it obvious where the student actually lives.
Parent is to provide transportation to school if the parent fails to produce proof of residence so that a school bus stop can be assigned. Simple.

Oh I see, so you’re advocating for a theoretical policy. What happens when you send the person without a car to a different school as punishment for the infraction?

Gotta think before you post.

Being removed to go to your assigned school is not a punishment.

Correct, if they were at their assigned school they would get bus service or be within the walk zone. Whereas at the out of boundary school they have to have someone drive them. One of the biggest contributors to absenteeism is the parent not getting the kid to school/to school on time, so a kid getting on the bus to their assigned school should help with the all important attendance.

So then it's best for kids to go to schools they are zoned for. A student gets"zoned" when the parents prove their residence.

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly is involved in a "residency check?"

Many schools across the country do this.

You bring in a current copy of a utility bill, car tax statement, personal property tax statement, mortgage statement, or signed current lease to the office when you register your kid in FCPS. The address must be located within the school zone and have one parent or guardian's name on it.

A residency check would require parents do this each year, or the year before any rezoning is implemented.

Addresses that do not match must return to their zoned school.

Grandma's address does not work unless she is the legal guardian.

All of my kids knew of several kids attending our high school (one discussed extensively on this thread as a rezoning target) who lived in houses zoned for neighboring schools. One of my kid's friends moved during middle school from their small townhouse in zone, to a very big, nice, newer house zoned for one of the low performing schools discusses in this thread.

Their family moved in 7th grade. The kid graduated with my kid. The kid spend 8th-12th grade attending our school instead of their zoned middle and high school.

Another one of my kids friends moved at the end of elementary school from a nice house in our neighborhood to a huge house zoned for a nearby high school discussed on this thread as a good school with lower enrollment.

That family used a family member's address to stay in our middle and high school for all of 7th through 12th grade graduation. They used this address even after the house was sold to a family with kids.

Every school year my kids end up at a team party or social event at a house not zoned for our high school. Different kids, different grades, different families.

They are able to do this because FCPS only checks residency 1 time.

You could easily register your kid in kindergarten at one address, move to another pyramid in 1st grade, and stay in the original pyramid through high school graduation by not changing your address. I am sure there are plenty of families that do this, especially for middle and high school.

Perhaps the problem is not as big as it seems to me, but I think it is far bigger than FCPS wants to admit.

If they are going to rezone our high school, then they owe it to the families to 1) use accurate numbers, not inflated projections, to justify the rezoning and 2) do a full residency check prior to rezoning so affected families and the district are certain that the school is overcrowded with residents, and not falsely inflated by kids who are zoned to other high schools.

You can require proof of residency to enroll a kid. Once enrolled, it gets a lot more questionable especially if they don't have a plan for what happens if the parents don't bring documents. Regardless of whether or not the parents provide anything, the kid is already enrolled and entitled to a public education.

They could reassign the student to another school that has a lower enrollment.

In what policy is that allowed? And they would have to send a one off bus for that student.

Keep dreaming.

My point is, that WOULD BE the policy. And no, they don't have to send a "one off" bus-especially because if the parent told them where to send the bus, that would make it obvious where the student actually lives.
Parent is to provide transportation to school if the parent fails to produce proof of residence so that a school bus stop can be assigned. Simple.

Oh I see, so you’re advocating for a theoretical policy. What happens when you send the person without a car to a different school as punishment for the infraction?

Gotta think before you post.

Being removed to go to your assigned school is not a punishment.

Correct, if they were at their assigned school they would get bus service or be within the walk zone. Whereas at the out of boundary school they have to have someone drive them. One of the biggest contributors to absenteeism is the parent not getting the kid to school/to school on time, so a kid getting on the bus to their assigned school should help with the all important attendance.

Sorry maybe we’re talking past each other. I understood the original post to say someone caught skirting the rules would have their kids sent to an under enrolled school, not their base school. That’s the genesis of my pushback.

Ultimately, this seems more of an academic exercise than anything. There are just too many reasons to maintain the status quo, despite Herndon and Lewis zoned families taking advantage of it.

Anyone with $24k-$30k could probably take the rental approach with little risk.

Rental? There are cheap apartments near some decent schools (Madison for one). Parents can buy them as investment properties, use the address for their kid, and rent them out

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What exactly is involved in a "residency check?"

Many schools across the country do this.

You bring in a current copy of a utility bill, car tax statement, personal property tax statement, mortgage statement, or signed current lease to the office when you register your kid in FCPS. The address must be located within the school zone and have one parent or guardian's name on it.

A residency check would require parents do this each year, or the year before any rezoning is implemented.

Addresses that do not match must return to their zoned school.

Grandma's address does not work unless she is the legal guardian.

All of my kids knew of several kids attending our high school (one discussed extensively on this thread as a rezoning target) who lived in houses zoned for neighboring schools. One of my kid's friends moved during middle school from their small townhouse in zone, to a very big, nice, newer house zoned for one of the low performing schools discusses in this thread.

Their family moved in 7th grade. The kid graduated with my kid. The kid spend 8th-12th grade attending our school instead of their zoned middle and high school.

Another one of my kids friends moved at the end of elementary school from a nice house in our neighborhood to a huge house zoned for a nearby high school discussed on this thread as a good school with lower enrollment.

That family used a family member's address to stay in our middle and high school for all of 7th through 12th grade graduation. They used this address even after the house was sold to a family with kids.

Every school year my kids end up at a team party or social event at a house not zoned for our high school. Different kids, different grades, different families.

They are able to do this because FCPS only checks residency 1 time.

You could easily register your kid in kindergarten at one address, move to another pyramid in 1st grade, and stay in the original pyramid through high school graduation by not changing your address. I am sure there are plenty of families that do this, especially for middle and high school.

Perhaps the problem is not as big as it seems to me, but I think it is far bigger than FCPS wants to admit.

If they are going to rezone our high school, then they owe it to the families to 1) use accurate numbers, not inflated projections, to justify the rezoning and 2) do a full residency check prior to rezoning so affected families and the district are certain that the school is overcrowded with residents, and not falsely inflated by kids who are zoned to other high schools.

You can require proof of residency to enroll a kid. Once enrolled, it gets a lot more questionable especially if they don't have a plan for what happens if the parents don't bring documents. Regardless of whether or not the parents provide anything, the kid is already enrolled and entitled to a public education.

They could reassign the student to another school that has a lower enrollment.

In what policy is that allowed? And they would have to send a one off bus for that student.

Keep dreaming.

My point is, that WOULD BE the policy. And no, they don't have to send a "one off" bus-especially because if the parent told them where to send the bus, that would make it obvious where the student actually lives.
Parent is to provide transportation to school if the parent fails to produce proof of residence so that a school bus stop can be assigned. Simple.

Oh I see, so you’re advocating for a theoretical policy. What happens when you send the person without a car to a different school as punishment for the infraction?

Gotta think before you post.

Being removed to go to your assigned school is not a punishment.

Correct, if they were at their assigned school they would get bus service or be within the walk zone. Whereas at the out of boundary school they have to have someone drive them. One of the biggest contributors to absenteeism is the parent not getting the kid to school/to school on time, so a kid getting on the bus to their assigned school should help with the all important attendance.

Sorry maybe we’re talking past each other. I understood the original post to say someone caught skirting the rules would have their kids sent to an under enrolled school, not their base school. That’s the genesis of my pushback.

Ultimately, this seems more of an academic exercise than anything. There are just too many reasons to maintain the status quo, despite Herndon and Lewis zoned families taking advantage of it.

Anyone with $24k-$30k could probably take the rental approach with little risk.

Rental? There are cheap apartments near some decent schools (Madison for one). Parents can buy them as investment properties, use the address for their kid, and rent them out

But then you are taking some other LMC spot. Isn’t that counter to the SB’s with push?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What exactly is involved in a "residency check?"

Many schools across the country do this.

You bring in a current copy of a utility bill, car tax statement, personal property tax statement, mortgage statement, or signed current lease to the office when you register your kid in FCPS. The address must be located within the school zone and have one parent or guardian's name on it.

A residency check would require parents do this each year, or the year before any rezoning is implemented.

Addresses that do not match must return to their zoned school.

Grandma's address does not work unless she is the legal guardian.

All of my kids knew of several kids attending our high school (one discussed extensively on this thread as a rezoning target) who lived in houses zoned for neighboring schools. One of my kid's friends moved during middle school from their small townhouse in zone, to a very big, nice, newer house zoned for one of the low performing schools discusses in this thread.

Their family moved in 7th grade. The kid graduated with my kid. The kid spend 8th-12th grade attending our school instead of their zoned middle and high school.

Another one of my kids friends moved at the end of elementary school from a nice house in our neighborhood to a huge house zoned for a nearby high school discussed on this thread as a good school with lower enrollment.

That family used a family member's address to stay in our middle and high school for all of 7th through 12th grade graduation. They used this address even after the house was sold to a family with kids.

Every school year my kids end up at a team party or social event at a house not zoned for our high school. Different kids, different grades, different families.

They are able to do this because FCPS only checks residency 1 time.

You could easily register your kid in kindergarten at one address, move to another pyramid in 1st grade, and stay in the original pyramid through high school graduation by not changing your address. I am sure there are plenty of families that do this, especially for middle and high school.

Perhaps the problem is not as big as it seems to me, but I think it is far bigger than FCPS wants to admit.

If they are going to rezone our high school, then they owe it to the families to 1) use accurate numbers, not inflated projections, to justify the rezoning and 2) do a full residency check prior to rezoning so affected families and the district are certain that the school is overcrowded with residents, and not falsely inflated by kids who are zoned to other high schools.

You can require proof of residency to enroll a kid. Once enrolled, it gets a lot more questionable especially if they don't have a plan for what happens if the parents don't bring documents. Regardless of whether or not the parents provide anything, the kid is already enrolled and entitled to a public education.

They could reassign the student to another school that has a lower enrollment.

In what policy is that allowed? And they would have to send a one off bus for that student.

Keep dreaming.

My point is, that WOULD BE the policy. And no, they don't have to send a "one off" bus-especially because if the parent told them where to send the bus, that would make it obvious where the student actually lives.
Parent is to provide transportation to school if the parent fails to produce proof of residence so that a school bus stop can be assigned. Simple.

Oh I see, so you’re advocating for a theoretical policy. What happens when you send the person without a car to a different school as punishment for the infraction?

Gotta think before you post.

Being removed to go to your assigned school is not a punishment.

Correct, if they were at their assigned school they would get bus service or be within the walk zone. Whereas at the out of boundary school they have to have someone drive them. One of the biggest contributors to absenteeism is the parent not getting the kid to school/to school on time, so a kid getting on the bus to their assigned school should help with the all important attendance.

Sorry maybe we’re talking past each other. I understood the original post to say someone caught skirting the rules would have their kids sent to an under enrolled school, not their base school. That’s the genesis of my pushback.

Ultimately, this seems more of an academic exercise than anything. There are just too many reasons to maintain the status quo, despite Herndon and Lewis zoned families taking advantage of it.

Anyone with $24k-$30k could probably take the rental approach with little risk.

Rental? There are cheap apartments near some decent schools (Madison for one). Parents can buy them as investment properties, use the address for their kid, and rent them out

But then you are taking some other LMC spot. Isn’t that counter to the SB’s with push?

That sounds like someone else's problem