Fairfax County Double Murder

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Wasn’t the dog locked in the basement with the kid?

Yes, the dog was in the basement, but Juliana and Brendan also were in the basement too. In Juliana’s testimony she was down there a bit longer than him, but it seemed like not by much. When she came up he was outside the master bedroom, I think she said on the landing, listening, and he motioned for her to listen. They listened for a bit and then they entered the master bedroom. Brendan shot Joe, Christine told Juliana to call 911 and she did, Juliana hung up because Brendan gestured at her, and after that he would have cut/stabbed Christine and staged the scene. Then Juliana called 911 again.

Presumably the “dog audio theory” would seek to place at least Juliana in the basement for longer, after that 911 call. Basically, an attempt to create doubt about Juliana’s testimony, which is corroborated by the audio on the 911 hang up call (widely believed to be Joe Ryan moaning after the shot which is known to have disabled him, but not killed him).

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#Butcherknifekillerbrendanbanfield

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Why would the defense submit a full video of the officer’s bodycam, just showing how much of a bad actor he is? Why? I see that and I don’t need to see anything else to figure out he’s guilty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok legal eagles and beagles, is this a deliberate attempt at ineffective assistance of counsel?

This is what I keep going back to. He’s got nothing in hand to help his client.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Wasn’t the dog locked in the basement with the kid?

Yes, the dog was in the basement, but Juliana and Brendan also were in the basement too. In Juliana’s testimony she was down there a bit longer than him, but it seemed like not by much. When she came up he was outside the master bedroom, I think she said on the landing, listening, and he motioned for her to listen. They listened for a bit and then they entered the master bedroom. Brendan shot Joe, Christine told Juliana to call 911 and she did, Juliana hung up because Brendan gestured at her, and after that he would have cut/stabbed Christine and staged the scene. Then Juliana called 911 again.

Presumably the “dog audio theory” would seek to place at least Juliana in the basement for longer, after that 911 call. Basically, an attempt to create doubt about Juliana’s testimony, which is corroborated by the audio on the 911 hang up call (widely believed to be Joe Ryan moaning after the shot which is known to have disabled him, but not killed him).

Ahh yes, that seems reasonable. Rush home because his Au pair saw a stranger enter the house and he can’t get a hold of his wife, but once he gets home, hang out in the basement for 10 minutes playing fetch with his dog before he checks on his wife. Makes perfect sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Witness is completely wrong re being signed into different email accounts on an item. You can log into as many different Gmail accounts from the same device. How are they letting this by? It’s not hard to do.

+1

That stuck out to me too. I am very often on two different Gmail accounts one for an organization I run and one personal. I flip between the two screens regularly. Every now and then I have to sign back in, but I can receive mail at the same time on both accounts as long as they’re open in different tabs.

Me too. Multiple Gmail amounts I check at same time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unless someone can definitively prove that the defense attorney is not the “I’m not a cat” guy from the pandemic, that’s what I’m going with.

HAHAHA!!!

The best thing is he asked the judge to proceed anyway. I see this video all the time and laugh hysterically every time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok legal eagles and beagles, is this a deliberate attempt at ineffective assistance of counsel?

Isn't that a high bar? Maybe he just couldn't afford a better lawyer. Imagine the theater someone like Alan Jackson would make of this, ugh.

Question attorneys of practice in this district in court. How are the public defenders? Would they have been better? My sense is they would be much much better at questioning witnesses and a clear strategy. They may not have the time or money for extra experts in that type of thing and I’m curious you take.

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Anonymous wrote:Judge Penney ripped the defense a new one, called him out for not knowing his own exhibit numbers, messy files, etc. Said that Shannon (guessing she's the court clerk) has to stay late to fix their messed up documents and that they are wasting everyone's time. It's about time he was called on his fumbling. I swear he hasn't known a SINGLE ONE of his own exhibit numbers, never seen anything like it. Incredibly unprofessional.

Good for her. It's really been appalling - counsel is completely out of his element and woefully struggling to do basic questioning and trial management. It doesn't rise to ineffective counsel per se (as others have said, that's a pretty high bar - falling asleep etc. doesn't even meet it) - it's simply bad.

Assume this dressing down was when Joey was not present?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Judge Penney ripped the defense a new one, called him out for not knowing his own exhibit numbers, messy files, etc. Said that Shannon (guessing she's the court clerk) has to stay late to fix their messed up documents and that they are wasting everyone's time. It's about time he was called on his fumbling. I swear he hasn't known a SINGLE ONE of his own exhibit numbers, never seen anything like it. Incredibly unprofessional.

Good for her. It's really been appalling - counsel is completely out of his element and woefully struggling to do basic questioning and trial management. It doesn't rise to ineffective counsel per se (as others have said, that's a pretty high bar - falling asleep etc. doesn't even meet it) - it's simply bad.

Assume this dressing down was when Joey was not present?

Joey?

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Jury not present.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Ahh yes, that seems reasonable. Rush home because his Au pair saw a stranger enter the house and he can’t get a hold of his wife, but once he gets home, hang out in the basement for 10 minutes playing fetch with his dog before he checks on his wife. Makes perfect sense.

I agree in the sense it just didn’t happen. Obviously the version Juliana told is true (or at least basically so) and that is Joe on there and he has already been shot. But in trying to create doubt, IF someone believed Juliana was in the basement for longer, then it would create doubt about a lot of elements.

How Carroll planned to run this “Lilly3” clip through the gauntlet of super obvious objections from the prosecution, I have no idea. Unless it’s an audio clip of the dog from previously established bodycam, which was not mentioned at all when the objection came up. It sounds like it was just a random clip which wasn’t authenticated or entered into evidence in any way prior to the expert witness coming on. Nor did there seem to be a plan to do so in that portion of the defense presentation.

[Anonymous]

Carroll is a joke. Just like Brendan and his mother. How hilarious that they’ve wasted so much money. Have fun rotting in hell.

[Anonymous]

I did not know what the foundational issue was with the audio expert until the above post. Wow. Just wow.

It makes me so sad and scare thinking about this attorney representing someone who is actually innocent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I did not know what the foundational issue was with the audio expert until the above post. Wow. Just wow.

It makes me so sad and scare thinking about this attorney representing someone who is actually innocent.

To be fair this case has a lot against him but I mean he has some stuff, keep it to Juliana was suicidal, Juliana was getting quotes from prosecutors for her “story,” Juliana changed her mind about staying with Brendan and wanted to go back to Brazil. Lt Miller’s report (this needed to be very brief and directed).

Same with the Giaccio and Fayez texts if he wanted to do that but overall that one was risky because it’s really just highlighting everyone thought his client was weird and suspicious from the jump. I’m not sure he needed that portion at all but if so should have been very careful about questioning and established the context of every exhibit clearly.

The strategy to create doubt in various areas of the CW case is basically the only avenue for the defense. It’s just been super disorganized and he’s often asking obviously “hostile”witnesses shockingly open ended questions which is bringing in information which only hurts his client.

But honestly he is objecting where he needs to and putting in standard motions. I wonder why he doesn’t have more assistance with him especially some more tech savvy assistance. It seems like they hired Lidsky to do quite a bit of work, but he needs (imo) someone who is not a witness since there are obvious parameters on what they can talk about. This is a complex case and to touch on a previous question about public defenders, in this case I believe it’s likely the judge would have appointed more than one person for the defense based on high complexity. There is a lot of digital forensics discovery due to the catfish theory.