FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

+1. Herndon mom here. We don’t need disgruntled former Langley families complaining about being forced to move to FARMS school. Please go private, but continue paying those Fairfax taxes.

You don’t realize that you’re the problem, not your kids. You’re lazy and happy to take other people’s resources.

You keep saying you don’t need us, then make comments like this saying the exact opposite. Do you depend on us or do you want nothing to do with us?

We don’t depend on your amazing smart white and asian students for our own kids to have a good education. However, if you choose to go private, then we, and the rest of fcps will happily make use of your taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly is involved in a "residency check?"

Many schools across the country do this.

You bring in a current copy of a utility bill, car tax statement, personal property tax statement, mortgage statement, or signed current lease to the office when you register your kid in FCPS. The address must be located within the school zone and have one parent or guardian's name on it.

A residency check would require parents do this each year, or the year before any rezoning is implemented.

Addresses that do not match must return to their zoned school.

Grandma's address does not work unless she is the legal guardian.

All of my kids knew of several kids attending our high school (one discussed extensively on this thread as a rezoning target) who lived in houses zoned for neighboring schools. One of my kid's friends moved during middle school from their small townhouse in zone, to a very big, nice, newer house zoned for one of the low performing schools discusses in this thread.

Their family moved in 7th grade. The kid graduated with my kid. The kid spend 8th-12th grade attending our school instead of their zoned middle and high school.

Another one of my kids friends moved at the end of elementary school from a nice house in our neighborhood to a huge house zoned for a nearby high school discussed on this thread as a good school with lower enrollment.

That family used a family member's address to stay in our middle and high school for all of 7th through 12th grade graduation. They used this address even after the house was sold to a family with kids.

Every school year my kids end up at a team party or social event at a house not zoned for our high school. Different kids, different grades, different families.

They are able to do this because FCPS only checks residency 1 time.

You could easily register your kid in kindergarten at one address, move to another pyramid in 1st grade, and stay in the original pyramid through high school graduation by not changing your address. I am sure there are plenty of families that do this, especially for middle and high school.

Perhaps the problem is not as big as it seems to me, but I think it is far bigger than FCPS wants to admit.

If they are going to rezone our high school, then they owe it to the families to 1) use accurate numbers, not inflated projections, to justify the rezoning and 2) do a full residency check prior to rezoning so affected families and the district are certain that the school is overcrowded with residents, and not falsely inflated by kids who are zoned to other high schools.

You can require proof of residency to enroll a kid. Once enrolled, it gets a lot more questionable especially if they don't have a plan for what happens if the parents don't bring documents. Regardless of whether or not the parents provide anything, the kid is already enrolled and entitled to a public education.

They could reassign the student to another school that has a lower enrollment.

In what policy is that allowed? And they would have to send a one off bus for that student.

Keep dreaming.

My point is, that WOULD BE the policy. And no, they don't have to send a "one off" bus-especially because if the parent told them where to send the bus, that would make it obvious where the student actually lives.
Parent is to provide transportation to school if the parent fails to produce proof of residence so that a school bus stop can be assigned. Simple.

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Anonymous wrote:It's hard to imagine any FCPS high school with as many drugs floating around as Langley, given the students' access to money and the extreme levels of anxiety given the social competitiveness and parental pressure.

OK, sure. I'll take Langley over the school with active MS-13 recruitment and 10-100x the safety issues, thanks. And so would literally everyone else who cares about their kids.

If you’re a Hispanic family from Central America that somehow found your way into an expensive SFH in western Great Falls, OK.

Otherwise I don’t think MS-13 spends any time recruiting UMC White and Asian kids (and that’s the demographic hyper-ventilating the most about getting moved to HHS). You aren’t worried about your kids; you’re worried about your property values declining if you’re redistricted out of a school with virtually no poor kids and higher average test scores.

100%

Actually, despite you believing to know what parents think, I care very much about gang activity at a school, and not very much about property values.

And the fact that you have to try to assure me that the gangs at the school aren’t interested in my kid speaks volumes more than anything else I’ve read in this thread. And not in a good way.

^^^ pro sanctuary city (county) but NIMBY

Recent rebuke to Langley parents from another Langley resident who is a local conservative activist:

Here’s the issue with pretending this boundary issue is not political: Complaining that you might have to go to Herndon HS, but taking pains to avoid the obvious observation that Democrat political ideology is to blame for these issues, reads like “Help me, I wanted the illegal immigration I voted for to be inflicted on OTHER people’s kids, not mine!” This makes you a hypocrite to Democrats and unsympathetic to Republicans. As a result, you alienate everyone except for a couple hundred people motivated by narrow self-interest in a county of 1.4 million.

Can I get an “amen” for this pastor?

AMEN!! Someone speaks truth!!

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

+1. Herndon mom here. We don’t need disgruntled former Langley families complaining about being forced to move to FARMS school. Please go private, but continue paying those Fairfax taxes.

You don’t realize that you’re the problem, not your kids. You’re lazy and happy to take other people’s resources.

You keep saying you don’t need us, then make comments like this saying the exact opposite. Do you depend on us or do you want nothing to do with us?

I think the Herndon parents would be happy to welcome any family that attends HHS without the grumbling, kevetching, and calling the kids who attend the school gang bangers. They are less thrilled to have the families who seem to think that their kids will be attending a school that is inferior with kids that they look down on or are afraid of. To be frank, your attitude sucks. No one doubts the desire to want to provide the best you can for your child but in doing so you are spending a lot of time trashing another group of kids and their school. It is not a good look.

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

+1. Herndon mom here. We don’t need disgruntled former Langley families complaining about being forced to move to FARMS school. Please go private, but continue paying those Fairfax taxes.

Convince enough of them to leave FCPS and they stop supporting taxes for schools. That's how the cycle works. First you convince those with means to leave. Then they support low tax candidates. The schools then get worse. More parents leave. Less support for the schools...

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly is involved in a "residency check?"

Many schools across the country do this.

You bring in a current copy of a utility bill, car tax statement, personal property tax statement, mortgage statement, or signed current lease to the office when you register your kid in FCPS. The address must be located within the school zone and have one parent or guardian's name on it.

A residency check would require parents do this each year, or the year before any rezoning is implemented.

Addresses that do not match must return to their zoned school.

Grandma's address does not work unless she is the legal guardian.

All of my kids knew of several kids attending our high school (one discussed extensively on this thread as a rezoning target) who lived in houses zoned for neighboring schools. One of my kid's friends moved during middle school from their small townhouse in zone, to a very big, nice, newer house zoned for one of the low performing schools discusses in this thread.

Their family moved in 7th grade. The kid graduated with my kid. The kid spend 8th-12th grade attending our school instead of their zoned middle and high school.

Another one of my kids friends moved at the end of elementary school from a nice house in our neighborhood to a huge house zoned for a nearby high school discussed on this thread as a good school with lower enrollment.

That family used a family member's address to stay in our middle and high school for all of 7th through 12th grade graduation. They used this address even after the house was sold to a family with kids.

Every school year my kids end up at a team party or social event at a house not zoned for our high school. Different kids, different grades, different families.

They are able to do this because FCPS only checks residency 1 time.

You could easily register your kid in kindergarten at one address, move to another pyramid in 1st grade, and stay in the original pyramid through high school graduation by not changing your address. I am sure there are plenty of families that do this, especially for middle and high school.

Perhaps the problem is not as big as it seems to me, but I think it is far bigger than FCPS wants to admit.

If they are going to rezone our high school, then they owe it to the families to 1) use accurate numbers, not inflated projections, to justify the rezoning and 2) do a full residency check prior to rezoning so affected families and the district are certain that the school is overcrowded with residents, and not falsely inflated by kids who are zoned to other high schools.

You can require proof of residency to enroll a kid. Once enrolled, it gets a lot more questionable especially if they don't have a plan for what happens if the parents don't bring documents. Regardless of whether or not the parents provide anything, the kid is already enrolled and entitled to a public education.

They could reassign the student to another school that has a lower enrollment.

In what policy is that allowed? And they would have to send a one off bus for that student.

Keep dreaming.

My point is, that WOULD BE the policy. And no, they don't have to send a "one off" bus-especially because if the parent told them where to send the bus, that would make it obvious where the student actually lives.
Parent is to provide transportation to school if the parent fails to produce proof of residence so that a school bus stop can be assigned. Simple.

Oh I see, so you’re advocating for a theoretical policy. What happens when you send the person without a car to a different school as punishment for the infraction?

Gotta think before you post.

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

+1. Herndon mom here. We don’t need disgruntled former Langley families complaining about being forced to move to FARMS school. Please go private, but continue paying those Fairfax taxes.

You don’t realize that you’re the problem, not your kids. You’re lazy and happy to take other people’s resources.

You keep saying you don’t need us, then make comments like this saying the exact opposite. Do you depend on us or do you want nothing to do with us?

I think the Herndon parents would be happy to welcome any family that attends HHS without the grumbling, kevetching, and calling the kids who attend the school gang bangers. They are less thrilled to have the families who seem to think that their kids will be attending a school that is inferior with kids that they look down on or are afraid of. To be frank, your attitude sucks. No one doubts the desire to want to provide the best you can for your child but in doing so you are spending a lot of time trashing another group of kids and their school. It is not a good look.

We were perfectly fine with the status quo. If your feelings are hurt, go talk to the school board who is taking the steps that kicked off the entire conversation.

Ironically, before all this, I was generally supportive of your kids. Now I’m just forced to look out for my own. Sorry you don’t like my attitude, but I don’t really care what you think.

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

+1. Herndon mom here. We don’t need disgruntled former Langley families complaining about being forced to move to FARMS school. Please go private, but continue paying those Fairfax taxes.

You don’t realize that you’re the problem, not your kids. You’re lazy and happy to take other people’s resources.

You keep saying you don’t need us, then make comments like this saying the exact opposite. Do you depend on us or do you want nothing to do with us?

We don’t depend on your amazing smart white and asian students for our own kids to have a good education. However, if you choose to go private, then we, and the rest of fcps will happily make use of your taxes.

Even in just ONE paragraph you are being inconsistent, And still a mooch.

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Anonymous wrote:Herndon mom here. I hope my children never have to interact with kids whose parents are happy to bend the rules for their advantage. Is that how the rich get ahead? If that is the case, I will happily stay poor, but honest. Go Herndon Hornets!

Some bend rules to get the perceived advantage of a certain school.

Some break laws to get the advantages of a certain country.

Hey Herndon mom, what do you think about the football players

exploiting the rules to attend Hayfield while living in PWC? Does it bother you, or is it okay because they are minorities and not high SES?

Herndon mom here. Not sure what you are talking about. I would say 70% of football team is White. Many play multiple sports as well. Our Hispanic community does not /cannot participate in athletics as much as the White kids.

Oh right. It probably didn't hit your radar about disadvantaged minorities bending the rules to attend a HS out of both their district and their county. Look it up. Please elaborate on why the hispanic community does not/cannot participate in athletics as much as the white kids. My son was not selected for the Lewis varsity soccer team, comprised of almost exclusively hispanic students, that recently made it to the state championships. Where is my outlet to cry about injustice?

I am sorry to hear about your son not making the boys soccer team. That is tough. Soccer, of course is huge among the Hispanic MALE community. It is a relatively inexpensive sport to play, a flat surface and a ball. Many Hispanic boys grow up playing against their older relatives in Sunday leagues. Yes, they will dominate the boys soccer rosters. However, how many Latinos do you see playing the other sports? Yes, I know about baseball, but we do not have a sizeable Caribbean diaspora in this area. Central American immigrants tend to be on the shorter size. They often won’t make the basketball or football teams. Add to that, rarely do they play on club teams in these sports. Most have to rush to a job after school or take care of their younger siblings.

About Hispanic kids getting rides to a “better” high school to cheat the system? That is a stretch.

This is obviously another equity item FFX needs to address after boundaries. All ethnic populations should be represented across football and basketball teams irrespective of physiological status. If hispanic boys want to play football or soccer someone should create an opportunity, it’s not fair they are limited to soccer. Also what is this nonsense about after school jobs and taking care of siblings? Hispanic families with 4+ kids should have some support system provided by FFX county so the oldest children can do more after school activities. There should be a law that requires only children or children with 1 sibling to provide childcare to families with 4+ children.

Regarding the athletics portion of this post: it is called “tryouts”. You make the team if you are good enough regardless of race or family imcome. Full stop!

Regarding the second issue: elementary school kids go home on the bus. There needs to be a responsible person at home to take care of them. That responsonbility often falls on an older sister. This older sister cannot participate in afterschool activities.

Oh, and then about kids having to work after school… hmm, that is quite normal for families that struggle financially. Yeah, and that kid working from 4-10 after school to help pay rent, just might “bring down” scores for the school.

There is no support system. These kids are forced to grow up before their peers.

You might ask, where are the parents? Well, they are probably cleaning your office building, after having put in a full day of work at another site.

I just cannot with the lack of empathy among some in these discussion boards.

Life is all about choices, whether it’s trying out for a sports team or not, having no children or having 10, or choosing to live in a certain area. I grew up poor and am thankful my parents *chose* to raise me outside of fairfax county so I did not have to help pay rent and instead could focus on school and sports. Who is forcing these families you describe above to live in fairfax? Are there no options for jobs and living outside of fairfax?

Where can the people who make minimum wage and do all the jobs that most of us don't want to do, yard work, cleaning houses, cleaning office buildings, child care, working at grocery stores, and the like live that is affordable? I mean, the families that choose to live off of those wages would be living a long commute away and then they need more time to get to work, reliable public transportation or a car and all the costs that go into that. And then they need older siblings home to watch younger ones because Mom and Dad or Mom or Dad are out working further away. Or they live in the area and have to work more jobs to pay the rent and utilities. Sometimes older kids take jobs to help pay those bills. They can't afford child care so siblings step in.

It is not just families living in FCPS, this is an issue across the country. And it is not poor African american or Hispanic families, there are large white families in rural areas that rely on donations from friends and the community to feed and clothe their kids. Look at the families whoa re applying for disability payments for their kids in rural America or the rust belt because they need that disability check to make ends meet.

The income gap is growing. The people you are disparaging for making poor choices have to live some where and they will pay for it in commute costs or higher rent. Either way, their kids are not going to be as focused on school and there are going to be lower test scores and programs implemented to try and help those kids in some school district.

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

+1. Herndon mom here. We don’t need disgruntled former Langley families complaining about being forced to move to FARMS school. Please go private, but continue paying those Fairfax taxes.

Convince enough of them to leave FCPS and they stop supporting taxes for schools. That's how the cycle works. First you convince those with means to leave. Then they support low tax candidates. The schools then get worse. More parents leave. Less support for the schools...

So we're back to the "without us, you're nothing" nonsense.

If you leave, someone else will take your place, and one can only hope they'll be less arrogant than current Langley parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

+1. Herndon mom here. We don’t need disgruntled former Langley families complaining about being forced to move to FARMS school. Please go private, but continue paying those Fairfax taxes.

Convince enough of them to leave FCPS and they stop supporting taxes for schools. That's how the cycle works. First you convince those with means to leave. Then they support low tax candidates. The schools then get worse. More parents leave. Less support for the schools...

That’s what equity is about though. It’s about using other people’s tax dollars to help underachieving groups while ignoring groups perceived to be doing OK. After all, they will be fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

+1. Herndon mom here. We don’t need disgruntled former Langley families complaining about being forced to move to FARMS school. Please go private, but continue paying those Fairfax taxes.

You don’t realize that you’re the problem, not your kids. You’re lazy and happy to take other people’s resources.

You keep saying you don’t need us, then make comments like this saying the exact opposite. Do you depend on us or do you want nothing to do with us?

I think the Herndon parents would be happy to welcome any family that attends HHS without the grumbling, kevetching, and calling the kids who attend the school gang bangers. They are less thrilled to have the families who seem to think that their kids will be attending a school that is inferior with kids that they look down on or are afraid of. To be frank, your attitude sucks. No one doubts the desire to want to provide the best you can for your child but in doing so you are spending a lot of time trashing another group of kids and their school. It is not a good look.

We were perfectly fine with the status quo. If your feelings are hurt, go talk to the school board who is taking the steps that kicked off the entire conversation.

Ironically, before all this, I was generally supportive of your kids. Now I’m just forced to look out for my own. Sorry you don’t like my attitude, but I don’t really care what you think.

Of course you are happy with the status quo because your kids are protected from those other kids down the road. The issue is how you disparage the other kids down the road. You are fine "supporting them" as long as your kid doesn't have to be around them.

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Anonymous wrote:Herndon mom here. I hope my children never have to interact with kids whose parents are happy to bend the rules for their advantage. Is that how the rich get ahead? If that is the case, I will happily stay poor, but honest. Go Herndon Hornets!

Some bend rules to get the perceived advantage of a certain school.

Some break laws to get the advantages of a certain country.

Hey Herndon mom, what do you think about the football players

exploiting the rules to attend Hayfield while living in PWC? Does it bother you, or is it okay because they are minorities and not high SES?

Herndon mom here. Not sure what you are talking about. I would say 70% of football team is White. Many play multiple sports as well. Our Hispanic community does not /cannot participate in athletics as much as the White kids.

Oh right. It probably didn't hit your radar about disadvantaged minorities bending the rules to attend a HS out of both their district and their county. Look it up. Please elaborate on why the hispanic community does not/cannot participate in athletics as much as the white kids. My son was not selected for the Lewis varsity soccer team, comprised of almost exclusively hispanic students, that recently made it to the state championships. Where is my outlet to cry about injustice?

I am sorry to hear about your son not making the boys soccer team. That is tough. Soccer, of course is huge among the Hispanic MALE community. It is a relatively inexpensive sport to play, a flat surface and a ball. Many Hispanic boys grow up playing against their older relatives in Sunday leagues. Yes, they will dominate the boys soccer rosters. However, how many Latinos do you see playing the other sports? Yes, I know about baseball, but we do not have a sizeable Caribbean diaspora in this area. Central American immigrants tend to be on the shorter size. They often won’t make the basketball or football teams. Add to that, rarely do they play on club teams in these sports. Most have to rush to a job after school or take care of their younger siblings.

About Hispanic kids getting rides to a “better” high school to cheat the system? That is a stretch.

This is obviously another equity item FFX needs to address after boundaries. All ethnic populations should be represented across football and basketball teams irrespective of physiological status. If hispanic boys want to play football or soccer someone should create an opportunity, it’s not fair they are limited to soccer. Also what is this nonsense about after school jobs and taking care of siblings? Hispanic families with 4+ kids should have some support system provided by FFX county so the oldest children can do more after school activities. There should be a law that requires only children or children with 1 sibling to provide childcare to families with 4+ children.

Regarding the athletics portion of this post: it is called “tryouts”. You make the team if you are good enough regardless of race or family imcome. Full stop!

Regarding the second issue: elementary school kids go home on the bus. There needs to be a responsible person at home to take care of them. That responsonbility often falls on an older sister. This older sister cannot participate in afterschool activities.

Oh, and then about kids having to work after school… hmm, that is quite normal for families that struggle financially. Yeah, and that kid working from 4-10 after school to help pay rent, just might “bring down” scores for the school.

There is no support system. These kids are forced to grow up before their peers.

You might ask, where are the parents? Well, they are probably cleaning your office building, after having put in a full day of work at another site.

I just cannot with the lack of empathy among some in these discussion boards.

Life is all about choices, whether it’s trying out for a sports team or not, having no children or having 10, or choosing to live in a certain area. I grew up poor and am thankful my parents *chose* to raise me outside of fairfax county so I did not have to help pay rent and instead could focus on school and sports. Who is forcing these families you describe above to live in fairfax? Are there no options for jobs and living outside of fairfax?

Where can the people who make minimum wage and do all the jobs that most of us don't want to do, yard work, cleaning houses, cleaning office buildings, child care, working at grocery stores, and the like live that is affordable? I mean, the families that choose to live off of those wages would be living a long commute away and then they need more time to get to work, reliable public transportation or a car and all the costs that go into that. And then they need older siblings home to watch younger ones because Mom and Dad or Mom or Dad are out working further away. Or they live in the area and have to work more jobs to pay the rent and utilities. Sometimes older kids take jobs to help pay those bills. They can't afford child care so siblings step in.

It is not just families living in FCPS, this is an issue across the country. And it is not poor African american or Hispanic families, there are large white families in rural areas that rely on donations from friends and the community to feed and clothe their kids. Look at the families whoa re applying for disability payments for their kids in rural America or the rust belt because they need that disability check to make ends meet.

The income gap is growing. The people you are disparaging for making poor choices have to live some where and they will pay for it in commute costs or higher rent. Either way, their kids are not going to be as focused on school and there are going to be lower test scores and programs implemented to try and help those kids in some school district.

People don't care whether or not they are focused on school. People care when there are disciplinary problems that effect other students

Langley 2022-23

Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm 19
Behaviors of a Safety Concern 31
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others 21

https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/langley-high#fndtn-desktopTabs-climate

Herndon

Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm 375
Behaviors of a Safety Concern 204
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others 36

https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/herndon-high#fndtn-desktopTabs-climate

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

+1. Herndon mom here. We don’t need disgruntled former Langley families complaining about being forced to move to FARMS school. Please go private, but continue paying those Fairfax taxes.

You don’t realize that you’re the problem, not your kids. You’re lazy and happy to take other people’s resources.

You keep saying you don’t need us, then make comments like this saying the exact opposite. Do you depend on us or do you want nothing to do with us?

I think the Herndon parents would be happy to welcome any family that attends HHS without the grumbling, kevetching, and calling the kids who attend the school gang bangers. They are less thrilled to have the families who seem to think that their kids will be attending a school that is inferior with kids that they look down on or are afraid of. To be frank, your attitude sucks. No one doubts the desire to want to provide the best you can for your child but in doing so you are spending a lot of time trashing another group of kids and their school. It is not a good look.

We were perfectly fine with the status quo. If your feelings are hurt, go talk to the school board who is taking the steps that kicked off the entire conversation.

Ironically, before all this, I was generally supportive of your kids. Now I’m just forced to look out for my own. Sorry you don’t like my attitude, but I don’t really care what you think.

Of course you are happy with the status quo because your kids are protected from those other kids down the road. The issue is how you disparage the other kids down the road. You are fine "supporting them" as long as your kid doesn't have to be around them.

I do support them. Just not in my neighborhood.

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Anonymous wrote:Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

OMG. Herndon doesn’t care if those so-called superior kids come or not on the basis of their socio-economic basis. They don’t care if they come at all. They just want the government to make decisions without being bullied by the top 1-3% of households with high income in FCPS to do what is just in their best interest.

+1000. I helped pay for Herndon’s expansion so I expect kids who live two miles from Herndon and 10 miles from Langley to attend Herndon. Period.

They can be re-zoned there, sure. But there are already kids who live 2 miles from Herndon, are currently zoned to that school, and don’t attend.

There are also kids who live two miles from Langley who attend other schools, including Marshall and Potomac. We can’t always force kids to attend the public schools in their area, but we can at least have boundaries that aren’t obviously gerrymandered.

I’m with you. Clean up 🧹 the boundaries and motivate more parents to get their children out of FCPS.

If being zoned to the schools their kids should attend leads Great Falls parents to exit FCPS, good riddance.

+1. Herndon mom here. We don’t need disgruntled former Langley families complaining about being forced to move to FARMS school. Please go private, but continue paying those Fairfax taxes.

You don’t realize that you’re the problem, not your kids. You’re lazy and happy to take other people’s resources.

You keep saying you don’t need us, then make comments like this saying the exact opposite. Do you depend on us or do you want nothing to do with us?

I think the Herndon parents would be happy to welcome any family that attends HHS without the grumbling, kevetching, and calling the kids who attend the school gang bangers. They are less thrilled to have the families who seem to think that their kids will be attending a school that is inferior with kids that they look down on or are afraid of. To be frank, your attitude sucks. No one doubts the desire to want to provide the best you can for your child but in doing so you are spending a lot of time trashing another group of kids and their school. It is not a good look.

We were perfectly fine with the status quo. If your feelings are hurt, go talk to the school board who is taking the steps that kicked off the entire conversation.

Ironically, before all this, I was generally supportive of your kids. Now I’m just forced to look out for my own. Sorry you don’t like my attitude, but I don’t really care what you think.

Of course you are happy with the status quo because your kids are protected from those other kids down the road. The issue is how you disparage the other kids down the road. You are fine "supporting them" as long as your kid doesn't have to be around them.

Again, we didn’t kick off this conversation. It was started by the SJWs, the SB, and the push for equity at all costs.

I’m sure there are lovely kids at Herndon. But I’ve seen the same articles that you have about gangs. And not from partisan news sources. I’m just telling you why we won’t be sending our kids there. If you have a problem with the way that I parent my kid, oh well, but I’m not going to budge in my position, nor will anyone else with the 24k-30k per year to rent elsewhere.