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Anonymous wrote:It's hard to imagine any FCPS high school with as many drugs floating around as Langley, given the students' access to money and the extreme levels of anxiety given the social competitiveness and parental pressure.

OK, sure. I'll take Langley over the school with active MS-13 recruitment and 10-100x the safety issues, thanks. And so would literally everyone else who cares about their kids.

If you’re a Hispanic family from Central America that somehow found your way into an expensive SFH in western Great Falls, OK.

Otherwise I don’t think MS-13 spends any time recruiting UMC White and Asian kids (and that’s the demographic hyper-ventilating the most about getting moved to HHS). You aren’t worried about your kids; you’re worried about your property values declining if you’re redistricted out of a school with virtually no poor kids and higher average test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Dear Lord! Have any of your stepped foot at Herndon during the school day? It is not overrun with gang activity. The main complaint these past years, has been vaping in the bathrooms. Seems a common issue throughout fcps.

+1 UMC kids don’t join MS-13. Thinking their rich kid would be recruited to a gang is laughable beyond belief.

It’s not just about being recruited! It’s not about that at all. It’s that people understandably don’t want their kids even exposed to gang activity and gang members. And the safety and security stats were already posted and the best people could do was ububububu kids doing drugs at Langley!!!!!!11

The most insane part of this whole thing is that certain folks don’t understand the desire of some parents to avoid gang activity.

No. No one wants gang activity at their school or in their community. NO ONE. Yet some of the people who voted for policies that bring those activities to the region and end sure that they go into certain area is the part that is insane. You want to be good people but don’t want to put the problem in your backyard.

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Anonymous wrote:It's hard to imagine any FCPS high school with as many drugs floating around as Langley, given the students' access to money and the extreme levels of anxiety given the social competitiveness and parental pressure.

OK, sure. I'll take Langley over the school with active MS-13 recruitment and 10-100x the safety issues, thanks. And so would literally everyone else who cares about their kids.

If you’re a Hispanic family from Central America that somehow found your way into an expensive SFH in western Great Falls, OK.

Otherwise I don’t think MS-13 spends any time recruiting UMC White and Asian kids (and that’s the demographic hyper-ventilating the most about getting moved to HHS). You aren’t worried about your kids; you’re worried about your property values declining if you’re redistricted out of a school with virtually no poor kids and higher average test scores.

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Actually, despite you believing to know what parents think, I care very much about gang activity at a school, and not very much about property values.

And the fact that you have to try to assure me that the gangs at the school aren’t interested in my kid speaks volumes more than anything else I’ve read in this thread. And not in a good way.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting civil war taking place now on the FairFACTS Matters page on FB between Langley parents who are trying to protect Langley's boundaries under the guise of doing what's best for everyone in the county and hard-core conservatives like Luke Rosiak who are vocally advocating for the group to adopt an anti-immigrant stance, vote for Republican candidates, pull their kids ASAP from FCPS, and advocate for vouchers and other private school subsidies.

Not surprisingly, the insurgents (Rosiak and his sympathizers) get the support of a lot of the local parents, who are already quite conservative and have been confused by statements from FairFACTS Matters leaders suggesting that FCPS should look at public-private partnerships in Detroit as a model. Great Falls residents aren't very used to seeing Detroit held out as a useful model for their community.

If he is just pointing out what we all know— that it’s democrats who oppose school choice, favor “surging” to the border and on the county level are the ones who began working on boundary policy with an “equal outcomes for all” aim, he’s not wrong.

That group is free to prioritize other school board values like standards-based grading (another policy designed to make outcomes equal), graphic books in school libraries and boys who feel like a girl today having access to spaces meant for females OVER and above keeping their community school.

What goes on in schools is way more important than which child/neighborhood goes to which building.

In the end, most of them are democrats and will come around to the school board’s way of thinking. You’ll see.

Here’s where we will see if the rich 🤑 liberals of Great Falls really have enough money to exit the school system.

They are reacting like the rich liberals of Martha’s Vineyard when the poor brown illegals whose arrival to America they supported actually showed up in their town.
They pouted and protested and paid good money to send them away (after they gave them some sandwiches and iced tea)

What about it, Great Falls? You have enough to buy your way out of the “problem” you helped create?

It doesn’t take Martha’s Vineyard money to rent an apartment in a different school district for a few years. In fact most of us paid more in daycare for our kids than that would cost.

It’ll crowd out other families who need that housing, but that’s the law of unintended consequences.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Where are the apartments in Langley’s district?

None yet, but that will change.

Pp swearing 100s of families are going to rent apartments to stay at Langley is pretty funny.

Well, for the mathematically challenged SJW, you just said that apartments will get moved to Langley. Unless they are apartments that are designated affordable housing, those will rent out somewhere around 2,000-2,500 per apartment. That’s 24,000 to 30,000 per year. Not a small amount of money, but less than 50-60k for elite private, and no application required.

Now, what will happen? Rents will go up pricing some LMC families out of the market and even if they don’t, these families would have to compete for those houses against Great Falls neighbors with likely higher income and credit scores. It’s no question who will get rented to. (No not because the landlords are racist, it’s just that a 750+ credit score and 200,000 per year beats 650+ and 50,000.

In summary, 24k - 30k will buy you entry into any public school that’s drivable, not even just Langley! Will everyone go this route? Surely not. But you are underestimating the willingness to pay 25k/30k for a desired school situation.

Nope. Once boundaries are changed from elementary to high school with the promise that they will be redone every five years, those people who can spare the extra tens of thousands will co op homeschool and go private.
Langley Madison Oakton McLean all the schools will be entirely new.

Renting makes sense if the boundary change is small and stable. Renting after a massive boundary change that entirely recomposes a school and that will change every few years is dumb (unless you are just really attached to the building itself).

And don’t think that the school board won’t be conducting residency checks if a school is suddenly overcrowded. Especially for Great Falls and McLean, who we all know they have deep affection for.

You think hundreds will actually rent, furnish and live in a 1,000 sq ft apartment Monday through Friday rather than stay comfortable in a 5,000 sq foot house with a backyard fire pit a short drive from Riverbend and send their kids private (or for the littles join up with other parents for co-ops)?

Nope.

Look at Langley on the map, there’s only so many farms kids that they can bring in.

Also, who said anything about living full time in those apartments?

If they move the Marshall/Langley line such that Langley now has the lower income apartments currently being built at The Exchange, but not other apartment buildings, there will not be any apartments for those families to rent inside of Langley’s district.

The Exchange is currently zoned to Westbriar/Kilmer/Marshall.

Marshall is somewhat overcrowded, but not like McLean, and Westbriar also has an attendance island in western Vienna near Reston.

If they prioritize what they are claiming to prioritize, they'd eliminate the Westbriar island, in which case it wouldn't make sense to move the Exchange out of Westbriar to Spring Hill, which already has an expanding enrollment. On the other hand, it might make sense to move the Longfellow/McLean part of Spring Hill (other Tysons apartments and condos on the other side of Route 7 from the Exchange) to Cooper/Langley to alleviate the overcrowding at McLean. Those are the apartments the Langley poster is suggesting would be purchased or rented by some seeking to avoid reassignment to Herndon.

Where will the “check their real residency” people be then???

I haven't been participating in the discussion about residency checks. If apartments and condos in Tysons get reassigned to Langley, and people in Great Falls lease or purchase these units as a pretext to remain zoned to Langley when they are still residing in an area that's been reassigned to Herndon, I understand they could be kicked out of Langley if a residency check found they weren't bona fide residents of the Tysons apartments or condos. But exactly how, or how often, such residency checks occur isn't something with which I have any familiarity.

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Anonymous wrote:It's hard to imagine any FCPS high school with as many drugs floating around as Langley, given the students' access to money and the extreme levels of anxiety given the social competitiveness and parental pressure.

OK, sure. I'll take Langley over the school with active MS-13 recruitment and 10-100x the safety issues, thanks. And so would literally everyone else who cares about their kids.

If you’re a Hispanic family from Central America that somehow found your way into an expensive SFH in western Great Falls, OK.

Otherwise I don’t think MS-13 spends any time recruiting UMC White and Asian kids (and that’s the demographic hyper-ventilating the most about getting moved to HHS). You aren’t worried about your kids; you’re worried about your property values declining if you’re redistricted out of a school with virtually no poor kids and higher average test scores.

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Actually, despite you believing to know what parents think, I care very much about gang activity at a school, and not very much about property values.

And the fact that you have to try to assure me that the gangs at the school aren’t interested in my kid speaks volumes more than anything else I’ve read in this thread. And not in a good way.

^^^ pro sanctuary city (county) but NIMBY

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Anonymous wrote:It's hard to imagine any FCPS high school with as many drugs floating around as Langley, given the students' access to money and the extreme levels of anxiety given the social competitiveness and parental pressure.

OK, sure. I'll take Langley over the school with active MS-13 recruitment and 10-100x the safety issues, thanks. And so would literally everyone else who cares about their kids.

If you’re a Hispanic family from Central America that somehow found your way into an expensive SFH in western Great Falls, OK.

Otherwise I don’t think MS-13 spends any time recruiting UMC White and Asian kids (and that’s the demographic hyper-ventilating the most about getting moved to HHS). You aren’t worried about your kids; you’re worried about your property values declining if you’re redistricted out of a school with virtually no poor kids and higher average test scores.

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Actually, despite you believing to know what parents think, I care very much about gang activity at a school, and not very much about property values.

And the fact that you have to try to assure me that the gangs at the school aren’t interested in my kid speaks volumes more than anything else I’ve read in this thread. And not in a good way.

^^^ pro sanctuary city (county) but NIMBY

Recent rebuke to Langley parents from another Langley resident who is a local conservative activist:

Here’s the issue with pretending this boundary issue is not political: Complaining that you might have to go to Herndon HS, but taking pains to avoid the obvious observation that Democrat political ideology is to blame for these issues, reads like “Help me, I wanted the illegal immigration I voted for to be inflicted on OTHER people’s kids, not mine!” This makes you a hypocrite to Democrats and unsympathetic to Republicans. As a result, you alienate everyone except for a couple hundred people motivated by narrow self-interest in a county of 1.4 million.

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Anonymous wrote:Dear Lord! Have any of your stepped foot at Herndon during the school day? It is not overrun with gang activity. The main complaint these past years, has been vaping in the bathrooms. Seems a common issue throughout fcps.

+1 UMC kids don’t join MS-13. Thinking their rich kid would be recruited to a gang is laughable beyond belief.

It’s not just about being recruited! It’s not about that at all. It’s that people understandably don’t want their kids even exposed to gang activity and gang members. And the safety and security stats were already posted and the best people could do was ububububu kids doing drugs at Langley!!!!!!11

When we first moved to McLean, Longfellow started their after school activities because M-13 showed up there. That helped.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we back to the basics? What is the timeline for these boundary changes?

Fall 2025 is the school board's stated goal.

They have mentioned this timeline at multiple work sessions.

If you have a high school student in the class of 2027 or 2028 (current rising sophomores and freshmen) you need to be VERY concerned, especially if you are not within the walk zone to your high school.

The school board has mentioned this timeline, and minimal grandfathering of high school students many times.

When someone gives you insight to their plans, believe them.

When a politician lies by omission, hiding their true plans during their campaigns so they can get elected, expect nothing less from them than a complete disregard for constituents when they are in power.

If they prioritized student's well being, they would allow grandfathering for all enrolled high school students.

If they prioritized educational quality for the kids in failing schools like Lewis, they would have removed IB a long time ago and looked for real solutions, that do not require disrupting a bunch of kids to hopefully hide the failures without actually fixing the problems.

If they valued constituents, they would not have voted for a plan that concentrates power affecting student well being, communities, and housing values, with a single, unelected, overpaid bureaucrat, to try to remove the responsibility of elected officials to their voters in their district.

If the Springfield district representative was actually representing the will of her actual voters, she would have either come out strongly against the rezoning plan, OR very strongly in support of extensive grandfathering of high school students.

She did neither, so she is clearly not performing her duties to represent her constituents.

Please vote better in 2027. Ultimately, this is the outcome of voting choices made by the voters in our county, not just for school board but also for the board of supervisors that gerrymandered 22152 and the Springfield district to try to get rid of the last moderate politician in all of Northern Virginia. If you get rezoned, and voted blue no matter who, this is the policies you support being put into action.

Reid is the one will be driving this bus. She had said a company will study it and they will take 18 months. So that would be fall 2026.

Do we think that in 1 year they will have boundaries redrawn?

You think 🤔 that with computer modeling, other forms of A.I and the general ideas they clearly already have that they couldn’t get this done in a year? 🤣
Facilities could do it themselves and certainly a consultant can.
Expect your “listening sessions” early in the spring and your final boundaries around June.

The board members will look at them and then there will be time for tinkering around the edges to protect this community or that. This particular battle has only just begun.

Protect from what?

Come on, the board members don’t all believe in equity rezoning. Some are true believers and some are asleep at the wheel. But others will be able to be convinced to change a neighborhood here or there to give them a better deal. Or to nakedly protect their own neighborhoods, to keep them at the current schools or reassign them to the “better” ones. Some board members have higher political ambitions. There will 100% be back door wheelings and dealings.

You didn't answer the question. Is there danger? Why the need to protect?

DP. Ask Karen Corbett Sanders and Matt Dunne.

The correlation between the recent expansion of West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when there was space at Mount Vernon and the answer to your question should be roughly 100%.

[That having been accomplished, Dunne - Corbett-Sanders' hand-picked successor - is all about saving money and not investing in facilities anywhere else.]

Be honest. Why are you unwilling to say what the danger is?

THE DANGER IS BEING ASSIGNED TO A LESSER PERFORMING SCHOOL YOU DERP. The same thing people have been fighting about for the last 400 pages. Try to keep up!

Why is this a danger to high performing UMC kids?

I think you’re sealioning, first of all. But:

1) Moving schools in the middle of HS means that you lose out on the leadership opportunities you may have had at your former HS, had you been allowed to stay there. This is particularly bad for juniors and possibly sophomores. There has been at least one poster on here who said she would send a rising 9th grader to Lewis with other kids from the neighborhood if need be, but sending a junior to another school for 2 years is hugely disruptive. There needs to be grandfathering, even if WSHS kids need to find their own transportation. Fortunately their boundaries are compact to the point that a kid could likely bike from the southern end of the boundary to WSHS.

2) The SB has not guaranteed classes that would be available at Lewis vs. WSHS. A kid on the highest math track could end up simply not having classes to take as a senior, and would end up less prepared for college than if they had been at WSHS all 4 years. I also don’t know if Lewis is all AP at this point or if they’re still partially holding on to IB. Whereas WSHS is all AP.

3) they aren’t reporting any of this anymore, but the last school year that had safety and security data accurately reported for the full SY was 2018-2019. WSHS had 87 safety offenses and 0 weapons offenses. Lewis had 238 safety offenses, with a smaller student population, and 3 weapons offenses - and 7 in SY 2019-2020 which was cut short due to Covid!

4) You can’t say that every WSHS kid is from a nice graduate educated $300k+ income family and will immediately go to another school and be a shining star. There are lots of kids who are kept on the fairly straight and narrow just by having a largely good peer group.

Hopefully reassigned families can encourage their kids to become leaders in the new school, push for more AP and demand safe schools.

So why should a couple dozen teenagers from another school be bussed in and tasked to fix the problems that you and the other parents whose kids are zoned for that school were unable to fix?

If you, an adult parent at that school, and the other parents at that school, can't fix the problems, why should it be the responsibility of a group of teenagers who belong at their original school?

Interesting word choice.

DP. I just read this to mean “deserve to attend” the HS they were already attending or expected to attend.

Enough with the constant insinuations - it just makes you and the School Board members you are shilling for look like nut jobs.

All FCPS schools should be equal. Clearly they are not given the panic on here about redistricting. If schools are not equal then the board should correct the problem. In other words, high SES kids are not entitled to better public schools than low SES kids.

I don’t think anyone is saying they are. What people are saying is you shouldn’t use high SES to fix problems at lower SES schools. That’s the reason for this move. FCPS isn’t trying to help the students who need it. Just move kids to raise the optics and test scores etc that the school is improving. The kids who are struggling there will no magically pass SOLs or whatever because Johnny and Sally moved in. Nor will these kids affect the chronic absenteeism. Dr Reid thinks if kids at schools with high absenteeism see kids going to school regularly they may want to also. Not sure that’s how it works

The literature disagrees. https://www.tc.columbia.edu/articles/2016/february/school-integration-is-making-a-comeback-as-research-documents-its-benefits-/#:~:text=Students%20of%20all%20races%20who,segregated%2C%20high%2Dpoverty%20schools.

My kids do go to a mixed race school, WSHS. IF this study mixes SES and race into one issue, it is poorly done. Take a look at this bullet point:

“Students of all races who attend racially integrated schools also have higher SAT scores and are less likely to drop out than students in segregated, high-poverty schools.“

Right there they say “racially integrated schools” and then add another figure about dropping out for segregated high-poverty schools.

Those are 2 different sub groups that CAN overlap, but don’t always.

Do you have a better study to share?

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Anonymous wrote:It's hard to imagine any FCPS high school with as many drugs floating around as Langley, given the students' access to money and the extreme levels of anxiety given the social competitiveness and parental pressure.

OK, sure. I'll take Langley over the school with active MS-13 recruitment and 10-100x the safety issues, thanks. And so would literally everyone else who cares about their kids.

If you’re a Hispanic family from Central America that somehow found your way into an expensive SFH in western Great Falls, OK.

Otherwise I don’t think MS-13 spends any time recruiting UMC White and Asian kids (and that’s the demographic hyper-ventilating the most about getting moved to HHS). You aren’t worried about your kids; you’re worried about your property values declining if you’re redistricted out of a school with virtually no poor kids and higher average test scores.

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Actually, despite you believing to know what parents think, I care very much about gang activity at a school, and not very much about property values.

And the fact that you have to try to assure me that the gangs at the school aren’t interested in my kid speaks volumes more than anything else I’ve read in this thread. And not in a good way.

^^^ pro sanctuary city (county) but NIMBY

Recent rebuke to Langley parents from another Langley resident who is a local conservative activist:

Here’s the issue with pretending this boundary issue is not political: Complaining that you might have to go to Herndon HS, but taking pains to avoid the obvious observation that Democrat political ideology is to blame for these issues, reads like “Help me, I wanted the illegal immigration I voted for to be inflicted on OTHER people’s kids, not mine!” This makes you a hypocrite to Democrats and unsympathetic to Republicans. As a result, you alienate everyone except for a couple hundred people motivated by narrow self-interest in a county of 1.4 million.

This is spot on.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting civil war taking place now on the FairFACTS Matters page on FB between Langley parents who are trying to protect Langley's boundaries under the guise of doing what's best for everyone in the county and hard-core conservatives like Luke Rosiak who are vocally advocating for the group to adopt an anti-immigrant stance, vote for Republican candidates, pull their kids ASAP from FCPS, and advocate for vouchers and other private school subsidies.

Not surprisingly, the insurgents (Rosiak and his sympathizers) get the support of a lot of the local parents, who are already quite conservative and have been confused by statements from FairFACTS Matters leaders suggesting that FCPS should look at public-private partnerships in Detroit as a model. Great Falls residents aren't very used to seeing Detroit held out as a useful model for their community.

If he is just pointing out what we all know— that it’s democrats who oppose school choice, favor “surging” to the border and on the county level are the ones who began working on boundary policy with an “equal outcomes for all” aim, he’s not wrong.

That group is free to prioritize other school board values like standards-based grading (another policy designed to make outcomes equal), graphic books in school libraries and boys who feel like a girl today having access to spaces meant for females OVER and above keeping their community school.

What goes on in schools is way more important than which child/neighborhood goes to which building.

In the end, most of them are democrats and will come around to the school board’s way of thinking. You’ll see.

Here’s where we will see if the rich 🤑 liberals of Great Falls really have enough money to exit the school system.

They are reacting like the rich liberals of Martha’s Vineyard when the poor brown illegals whose arrival to America they supported actually showed up in their town.
They pouted and protested and paid good money to send them away (after they gave them some sandwiches and iced tea)

What about it, Great Falls? You have enough to buy your way out of the “problem” you helped create?

It doesn’t take Martha’s Vineyard money to rent an apartment in a different school district for a few years. In fact most of us paid more in daycare for our kids than that would cost.

It’ll crowd out other families who need that housing, but that’s the law of unintended consequences.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Where are the apartments in Langley’s district?

None yet, but that will change.

Pp swearing 100s of families are going to rent apartments to stay at Langley is pretty funny.

Well, for the mathematically challenged SJW, you just said that apartments will get moved to Langley. Unless they are apartments that are designated affordable housing, those will rent out somewhere around 2,000-2,500 per apartment. That’s 24,000 to 30,000 per year. Not a small amount of money, but less than 50-60k for elite private, and no application required.

Now, what will happen? Rents will go up pricing some LMC families out of the market and even if they don’t, these families would have to compete for those houses against Great Falls neighbors with likely higher income and credit scores. It’s no question who will get rented to. (No not because the landlords are racist, it’s just that a 750+ credit score and 200,000 per year beats 650+ and 50,000.

In summary, 24k - 30k will buy you entry into any public school that’s drivable, not even just Langley! Will everyone go this route? Surely not. But you are underestimating the willingness to pay 25k/30k for a desired school situation.

Nope. Once boundaries are changed from elementary to high school with the promise that they will be redone every five years, those people who can spare the extra tens of thousands will co op homeschool and go private.
Langley Madison Oakton McLean all the schools will be entirely new.

Renting makes sense if the boundary change is small and stable. Renting after a massive boundary change that entirely recomposes a school and that will change every few years is dumb (unless you are just really attached to the building itself).

And don’t think that the school board won’t be conducting residency checks if a school is suddenly overcrowded. Especially for Great Falls and McLean, who we all know they have deep affection for.

You think hundreds will actually rent, furnish and live in a 1,000 sq ft apartment Monday through Friday rather than stay comfortable in a 5,000 sq foot house with a backyard fire pit a short drive from Riverbend and send their kids private (or for the littles join up with other parents for co-ops)?

Nope.

Look at Langley on the map, there’s only so many farms kids that they can bring in.

Also, who said anything about living full time in those apartments?

If they move the Marshall/Langley line such that Langley now has the lower income apartments currently being built at The Exchange, but not other apartment buildings, there will not be any apartments for those families to rent inside of Langley’s district.

The Exchange is currently zoned to Westbriar/Kilmer/Marshall.

Marshall is somewhat overcrowded, but not like McLean, and Westbriar also has an attendance island in western Vienna near Reston.

If they prioritize what they are claiming to prioritize, they'd eliminate the Westbriar island, in which case it wouldn't make sense to move the Exchange out of Westbriar to Spring Hill, which already has an expanding enrollment. On the other hand, it might make sense to move the Longfellow/McLean part of Spring Hill (other Tysons apartments and condos on the other side of Route 7 from the Exchange) to Cooper/Langley to alleviate the overcrowding at McLean. Those are the apartments the Langley poster is suggesting would be purchased or rented by some seeking to avoid reassignment to Herndon.

Where will the “check their real residency” people be then???

I haven't been participating in the discussion about residency checks. If apartments and condos in Tysons get reassigned to Langley, and people in Great Falls lease or purchase these units as a pretext to remain zoned to Langley when they are still residing in an area that's been reassigned to Herndon, I understand they could be kicked out of Langley if a residency check found they weren't bona fide residents of the Tysons apartments or condos. But exactly how, or how often, such residency checks occur isn't something with which I have any familiarity.

Resident is not well defined (probably intentionally). A PP claimed that residency checks occur, but I gotta imagine that they are incredibly rare. Importantly, skirting residency is quite likely the reason that we are here in the first place. Imagine if all the Lewis-zoned kids actually went to Lewis, problem solved. So it’s an issue without a great answer.

And picture this hypothetical: they do a residency check and somehow can prove that you don’t “reside” at the leased apartment (though not sure how they would do that). They charge you with a class four misdemeanor and you get fined $250. Does your kid get kicked out of the school? Perhaps, or perhaps you just move into said apartment, since you’d be leasing it anyway. At that point you reside there, and your kid could continue at the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Where is the study that supports your opinion?

It's called common sense.

You don’t have a cite?

I’m the PP. I don’t need one. Look at the study and Google the name of the think tank that funded it. It’s a progressive think tank.

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Where can we see the proposed boundary changes or is everything just speculation for now?

I have a kid at Langley and he said his friends from Great Falls may have to switch schools. I have heard about rezoning for years. These kids are smart and motivated. I don’t know how these smart kids would help the struggling kids at Herndon. On paper, the school would look better but all you are doing is moving smart white and Asian kids to Herndon. I actually think more parents would either move or switch to private before switching to Herndon. I know I would.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting civil war taking place now on the FairFACTS Matters page on FB between Langley parents who are trying to protect Langley's boundaries under the guise of doing what's best for everyone in the county and hard-core conservatives like Luke Rosiak who are vocally advocating for the group to adopt an anti-immigrant stance, vote for Republican candidates, pull their kids ASAP from FCPS, and advocate for vouchers and other private school subsidies.

Not surprisingly, the insurgents (Rosiak and his sympathizers) get the support of a lot of the local parents, who are already quite conservative and have been confused by statements from FairFACTS Matters leaders suggesting that FCPS should look at public-private partnerships in Detroit as a model. Great Falls residents aren't very used to seeing Detroit held out as a useful model for their community.

If he is just pointing out what we all know— that it’s democrats who oppose school choice, favor “surging” to the border and on the county level are the ones who began working on boundary policy with an “equal outcomes for all” aim, he’s not wrong.

That group is free to prioritize other school board values like standards-based grading (another policy designed to make outcomes equal), graphic books in school libraries and boys who feel like a girl today having access to spaces meant for females OVER and above keeping their community school.

What goes on in schools is way more important than which child/neighborhood goes to which building.

In the end, most of them are democrats and will come around to the school board’s way of thinking. You’ll see.

Here’s where we will see if the rich 🤑 liberals of Great Falls really have enough money to exit the school system.

They are reacting like the rich liberals of Martha’s Vineyard when the poor brown illegals whose arrival to America they supported actually showed up in their town.
They pouted and protested and paid good money to send them away (after they gave them some sandwiches and iced tea)

What about it, Great Falls? You have enough to buy your way out of the “problem” you helped create?

It doesn’t take Martha’s Vineyard money to rent an apartment in a different school district for a few years. In fact most of us paid more in daycare for our kids than that would cost.

It’ll crowd out other families who need that housing, but that’s the law of unintended consequences.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Where are the apartments in Langley’s district?

None yet, but that will change.

Pp swearing 100s of families are going to rent apartments to stay at Langley is pretty funny.

Well, for the mathematically challenged SJW, you just said that apartments will get moved to Langley. Unless they are apartments that are designated affordable housing, those will rent out somewhere around 2,000-2,500 per apartment. That’s 24,000 to 30,000 per year. Not a small amount of money, but less than 50-60k for elite private, and no application required.

Now, what will happen? Rents will go up pricing some LMC families out of the market and even if they don’t, these families would have to compete for those houses against Great Falls neighbors with likely higher income and credit scores. It’s no question who will get rented to. (No not because the landlords are racist, it’s just that a 750+ credit score and 200,000 per year beats 650+ and 50,000.

In summary, 24k - 30k will buy you entry into any public school that’s drivable, not even just Langley! Will everyone go this route? Surely not. But you are underestimating the willingness to pay 25k/30k for a desired school situation.

Nope. Once boundaries are changed from elementary to high school with the promise that they will be redone every five years, those people who can spare the extra tens of thousands will co op homeschool and go private.
Langley Madison Oakton McLean all the schools will be entirely new.

Renting makes sense if the boundary change is small and stable. Renting after a massive boundary change that entirely recomposes a school and that will change every few years is dumb (unless you are just really attached to the building itself).

And don’t think that the school board won’t be conducting residency checks if a school is suddenly overcrowded. Especially for Great Falls and McLean, who we all know they have deep affection for.

You think hundreds will actually rent, furnish and live in a 1,000 sq ft apartment Monday through Friday rather than stay comfortable in a 5,000 sq foot house with a backyard fire pit a short drive from Riverbend and send their kids private (or for the littles join up with other parents for co-ops)?

Nope.

If the county would do residency checks after initial enrollment we might not have such over enrollment issues at schools. I can guarantee there are people there now that don’t belong there. I think it’s very easy to cheaply furnish an apartment for whatever residency check you think the county will have time to make

No one is doing residency checks. We provided proof when enrolling in K and nothing since. My kids are teenagers. I doubt anyone talking about renting an apartment is planning on living in it.

Lying on the residency attestation form is a class 4 misdemeanor. Sounds scary. Look it up - max punishment is a $250 fine.

No one is going to risk a $250 fine for their kids education, right?

Also, residency is a notoriously slippery concept. It’s not easy to disprove residency.

Seriously? These are the values Langley parents want to teach their kids? It’s OK to break the law as long as you might not be detected and we can afford the fine?

There are plenty of families lying on residency forms to attend WSHS.

FCPS does not care.

They would rather rezone people who purchased a home zoned for WSHS, than do a residency check and move those zoned for other pyramids back to their zoned schools

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Anonymous wrote:RESIDENCY CHECKS/MEMBERSHIP VERIFICATION

^^^this absolutely should be within the scope of Dr. Reid's project management plan she said her team will develop and present by the end of the summer.

^^^^^^^ Agree.

A residency check prior to rezoning should be step #1

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Anonymous wrote:Herndon mom here. I hope my children never have to interact with kids whose parents are happy to bend the rules for their advantage. Is that how the rich get ahead? If that is the case, I will happily stay poor, but honest. Go Herndon Hornets!

Some bend rules to get the perceived advantage of a certain school.

Some break laws to get the advantages of a certain country.

Hey Herndon mom, what do you think about the football players

exploiting the rules to attend Hayfield while living in PWC? Does it bother you, or is it okay because they are minorities and not high SES?

Herndon mom here. Not sure what you are talking about. I would say 70% of football team is White. Many play multiple sports as well. Our Hispanic community does not /cannot participate in athletics as much as the White kids.

Oh right. It probably didn't hit your radar about disadvantaged minorities bending the rules to attend a HS out of both their district and their county. Look it up. Please elaborate on why the hispanic community does not/cannot participate in athletics as much as the white kids. My son was not selected for the Lewis varsity soccer team, comprised of almost exclusively hispanic students, that recently made it to the state championships. Where is my outlet to cry about injustice?

I am sorry to hear about your son not making the boys soccer team. That is tough. Soccer, of course is huge among the Hispanic MALE community. It is a relatively inexpensive sport to play, a flat surface and a ball. Many Hispanic boys grow up playing against their older relatives in Sunday leagues. Yes, they will dominate the boys soccer rosters. However, how many Latinos do you see playing the other sports? Yes, I know about baseball, but we do not have a sizeable Caribbean diaspora in this area. Central American immigrants tend to be on the shorter size. They often won’t make the basketball or football teams. Add to that, rarely do they play on club teams in these sports. Most have to rush to a job after school or take care of their younger siblings.

About Hispanic kids getting rides to a “better” high school to cheat the system? That is a stretch.

This is obviously another equity item FFX needs to address after boundaries. All ethnic populations should be represented across football and basketball teams irrespective of physiological status. If hispanic boys want to play football or soccer someone should create an opportunity, it’s not fair they are limited to soccer. Also what is this nonsense about after school jobs and taking care of siblings? Hispanic families with 4+ kids should have some support system provided by FFX county so the oldest children can do more after school activities. There should be a law that requires only children or children with 1 sibling to provide childcare to families with 4+ children.