FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:So many responses focus around kids moving to schools with less options/underperforming schools. Can’t anyone see that this is in fact the problem? That within one school district there are schools like Langley and schools like Lewis? This is why this is being done and needs to be drastic, and needs to be done every 5 years, because we can’t let there continue to be this level of disparity within one district. If this process goes intended to plan the schools will improve, as they should. Because public education should be as equal as it can be within one district.

Or, more likely, you'll have a MC and UMC flight away from Fairfax County public schools and/or Fairfax County itself.

where would they go?

Loudon County? Prince William County? Montgomery County? There are options.

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Anonymous wrote:Draft resolution


Resolution No.
A Resolution to Limit School Transfers Based on Program Preference and Foreign Language Curriculum Offerings

WHEREAS, the Fairfax County School Board is committed to ensuring that all students have access to a high-quality, equitable education that prepares them for success in their academic and post-secondary endeavors;

WHEREAS, the current policy permitting high school students to transfer between schools based on program preference (e.g., International Baccalaureate (IB) vs. Advanced Placement (AP)) or foreign language curriculum offerings has resulted in an unsustainable volume of transfers, often used by students to avoid schools with lower performance rather than for legitimate academic needs;

WHEREAS, these transfers undermine efforts to create stable learning environments and equitable opportunities for all students, and may exacerbate the academic challenges faced by underperforming schools;

WHEREAS, the Fairfax County School Board believes that all schools should be supported to provide rigorous academic programs and equitable access to high-quality instruction, regardless of their program offerings;

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that effective [Insert Date], the Fairfax County School Board will limit student transfers between schools based solely on program preference (e.g., IB vs. AP) or foreign language curriculum offerings. Transfers may only be granted under the following circumstances:
• Documented academic deficiencies or special educational needs that cannot be addressed at the assigned school;
• A family hardship that requires a change in school assignment, as determined by the regional superintendent;
• Other exceptions as deemed necessary by the regional superintendents.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Fairfax County School Board directs the superintendent to enforce this policy and to provide the necessary resources to support underperforming schools in meeting the academic needs of all students, including the development of targeted intervention programs.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the superintendent shall prepare a comprehensive communication plan to inform students, parents, and the community of this policy change, and to outline available academic support programs at each school.

If this goes into place Herndon won’t be so below capacity with students returning from south lakes for IB. I assume it will affect tons to schools. So are they doing this and putting every student back where they are zoned before they work boundaries?

FCPS needs to get rid of IB and make all schools AP schools (this would provide equitable access to the same program for all high schools). IB should be phased out over the next two to three years. Sophomores that have already started taking IB classes would have time to finish out, and current Freshman/lower grades can take AP classes going forward. Language transfers should be limited to students in the Language Immersion Program (unless FCPS does away with this as well). All middle and elementary schools should offer level IV AAP.

This, plus offering the same three languages at every high school would also do that.

Why do you want to dumb schools down? Even Lewis offers four languages on site.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many responses focus around kids moving to schools with less options/underperforming schools. Can’t anyone see that this is in fact the problem? That within one school district there are schools like Langley and schools like Lewis? This is why this is being done and needs to be drastic, and needs to be done every 5 years, because we can’t let there continue to be this level of disparity within one district. If this process goes intended to plan the schools will improve, as they should. Because public education should be as equal as it can be within one district.

Or, more likely, you'll have a MC and UMC flight away from Fairfax County public schools and/or Fairfax County itself.

where would they go?

The number of parents who can afford DMV private schools but have chosen FCPS is substantial. You can see it in the COVID years' numbers. And they all live in the zones where parents are mad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many responses focus around kids moving to schools with less options/underperforming schools. Can’t anyone see that this is in fact the problem? That within one school district there are schools like Langley and schools like Lewis? This is why this is being done and needs to be drastic, and needs to be done every 5 years, because we can’t let there continue to be this level of disparity within one district. If this process goes intended to plan the schools will improve, as they should. Because public education should be as equal as it can be within one district.

This is socioeconomic balancing. Why is FCPS hiding this by framing the boundary shifts as capacity/split feeders/islands?

Also, why do you need to change “who” attends the schools to “improve” the schools?

[Anonymous]

Has FCPS come up with proposed boundary maps or proposed changes? I couldn't find any on the FCPS website.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:comprehensive boundary review is a made up rebranding from the 2019 board when Brabrand told the members that if they wanted to get buy in from the residents then they needed to stop using the The Nuclear Option when talking about Boundaries. they all laughed and came up with the phrase Comprehensive Review of Boundaries. They have wanted to do this for years

truth

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many responses focus around kids moving to schools with less options/underperforming schools. Can’t anyone see that this is in fact the problem? That within one school district there are schools like Langley and schools like Lewis? This is why this is being done and needs to be drastic, and needs to be done every 5 years, because we can’t let there continue to be this level of disparity within one district. If this process goes intended to plan the schools will improve, as they should. Because public education should be as equal as it can be within one district.

Should everyone have to contribute the same amount for their kids too? Or are you just advocating for mooching?

It’s not a grand conspiracy, people just choose where they live based on preference and what they can afford.

If the schools were more equal property across the county would be more comparable. It would actually help the county at large, not just make the wealthy wealthier.

Whoa whoa whoa, comrade. do you really think it’ll help tax revenue in Fairfax County to just have comparable schools? Because all you’re going to do is bring down tax revenue in current high performing pyramids.

Your side should really stick to your equity talking points rather than pretending this is about more revenue - an absurd claim for the boundary change proponents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many responses focus around kids moving to schools with less options/underperforming schools. Can’t anyone see that this is in fact the problem? That within one school district there are schools like Langley and schools like Lewis? This is why this is being done and needs to be drastic, and needs to be done every 5 years, because we can’t let there continue to be this level of disparity within one district. If this process goes intended to plan the schools will improve, as they should. Because public education should be as equal as it can be within one district.

No, it is not a problem because family education levels and focuses are very different in a district as large as FCPS.

There are going to be Langleys and Lewises.

The Lewis teachers are starting at a much lower level, so they might actually be increasing student achievement at a far greater level than Langley teachers, by meeting the needs of the kids where they are.

The needs of a high migrant school is very different than a wealthy educated school.

Expecting equal outcomes serves none of the kids well.

What FCPS needs to equalize (not equity but equality) is to make sure the facilities are relatively similar in quality and that that everyone has access to the best programs for their ability and potential, with quality teachers, low administrative overhead at gatehouse, and a focus on academics and literacy.

Shuffling kids around over equity harms far more students than it helps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many responses focus around kids moving to schools with less options/underperforming schools. Can’t anyone see that this is in fact the problem? That within one school district there are schools like Langley and schools like Lewis? This is why this is being done and needs to be drastic, and needs to be done every 5 years, because we can’t let there continue to be this level of disparity within one district. If this process goes intended to plan the schools will improve, as they should. Because public education should be as equal as it can be within one district.

Or, more likely, you'll have a MC and UMC flight away from Fairfax County public schools and/or Fairfax County itself.

where would they go?

Loudon County? Prince William County? Montgomery County? There are options.

According to the AAP forum, the TJ admissions director switched to Loudoun (The one who did merit based admissions pre TJ equity admissions.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many responses focus around kids moving to schools with less options/underperforming schools. Can’t anyone see that this is in fact the problem? That within one school district there are schools like Langley and schools like Lewis? This is why this is being done and needs to be drastic, and needs to be done every 5 years, because we can’t let there continue to be this level of disparity within one district. If this process goes intended to plan the schools will improve, as they should. Because public education should be as equal as it can be within one district.

No, it is not a problem because family education levels and focuses are very different in a district as large as FCPS.

There are going to be Langleys and Lewises.

The Lewis teachers are starting at a much lower level, so they might actually be increasing student achievement at a far greater level than Langley teachers, by meeting the needs of the kids where they are.

The needs of a high migrant school is very different than a wealthy educated school.

Expecting equal outcomes serves none of the kids well.

What FCPS needs to equalize (not equity but equality) is to make sure the facilities are relatively similar in quality and that that everyone has access to the best programs for their ability and potential, with quality teachers, low administrative overhead at gatehouse, and a focus on academics and literacy.

Shuffling kids around over equity harms far more students than it helps.

+100

Especially the “low administrative overhead at gatehouse”. Of course, this would require the folks making these decisions to realize that they are part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

FCPS needs to get rid of IB and make all schools AP schools (this would provide equitable access to the same program for all high schools). IB should be phased out over the next two to three years. Sophomores that have already started taking IB classes would have time to finish out, and current Freshman/lower grades can take AP classes going forward. Language transfers should be limited to students in the Language Immersion Program (unless FCPS does away with this as well). All middle and elementary schools should offer level IV AAP.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many responses focus around kids moving to schools with less options/underperforming schools. Can’t anyone see that this is in fact the problem? That within one school district there are schools like Langley and schools like Lewis? This is why this is being done and needs to be drastic, and needs to be done every 5 years, because we can’t let there continue to be this level of disparity within one district. If this process goes intended to plan the schools will improve, as they should. Because public education should be as equal as it can be within one district.

You are living in a fantasy land. If this process goes as intended, a bunch of people at higher performing schools will leave and every school will be ok to bad. The variability of test scores from one school to the other will be lower, but the average score will be lower too. This is exactly how it has played out in other places where zoning is done with SES balancing in mind.

What's good for FCPS is bad for the individual family at a higher performing school. You are delusional if you think UMC families will just sit back and take it at the expense of their own kids' education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many responses focus around kids moving to schools with less options/underperforming schools. Can’t anyone see that this is in fact the problem? That within one school district there are schools like Langley and schools like Lewis? This is why this is being done and needs to be drastic, and needs to be done every 5 years, because we can’t let there continue to be this level of disparity within one district. If this process goes intended to plan the schools will improve, as they should. Because public education should be as equal as it can be within one district.

You are living in a fantasy land. If this process goes as intended, a bunch of people at higher performing schools will leave and every school will be ok to bad. The variability of test scores from one school to the other will be lower, but the average score will be lower too. This is exactly how it has played out in other places where zoning is done with SES balancing in mind.

What's good for FCPS is bad for the individual family at a higher performing school. You are delusional if you think UMC families will just sit back and take it at the expense of their own kids' education.

+1 In addition, you will have buses crisscrossing Fairfax County. It won't work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many responses focus around kids moving to schools with less options/underperforming schools. Can’t anyone see that this is in fact the problem? That within one school district there are schools like Langley and schools like Lewis? This is why this is being done and needs to be drastic, and needs to be done every 5 years, because we can’t let there continue to be this level of disparity within one district. If this process goes intended to plan the schools will improve, as they should. Because public education should be as equal as it can be within one district.

You are living in a fantasy land. If this process goes as intended, a bunch of people at higher performing schools will leave and every school will be ok to bad. The variability of test scores from one school to the other will be lower, but the average score will be lower too. This is exactly how it has played out in other places where zoning is done with SES balancing in mind.

What's good for FCPS is bad for the individual family at a higher performing school. You are delusional if you think UMC families will just sit back and take it at the expense of their own kids' education.

+1 In addition, you will have buses crisscrossing Fairfax County. It won't work.

You mean like from Herndon and western Great Falls to the eastern edge of McLean? Sounds completely absurd!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many responses focus around kids moving to schools with less options/underperforming schools. Can’t anyone see that this is in fact the problem? That within one school district there are schools like Langley and schools like Lewis? This is why this is being done and needs to be drastic, and needs to be done every 5 years, because we can’t let there continue to be this level of disparity within one district. If this process goes intended to plan the schools will improve, as they should. Because public education should be as equal as it can be within one district.

You are living in a fantasy land. If this process goes as intended, a bunch of people at higher performing schools will leave and every school will be ok to bad. The variability of test scores from one school to the other will be lower, but the average score will be lower too. This is exactly how it has played out in other places where zoning is done with SES balancing in mind.

What's good for FCPS is bad for the individual family at a higher performing school. You are delusional if you think UMC families will just sit back and take it at the expense of their own kids' education.

+1 In addition, you will have buses crisscrossing Fairfax County. It won't work.

You mean like from Herndon and western Great Falls to the eastern edge of McLean? Sounds completely absurd!

DP.

Oh look, it’s the same misinformed, one-track mind poster that shows up every day to complain about an at-max fifteen minute additional drive🙄