APS Boundary tool--anyone get it to work yet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ why would they? They have no affordable housing near them. They are used to the status quo - which is them being untouched. If rhetoric really heats up about the west end of Columbia Pike being shifted to Yorktown, I'm sure we'll hear from 22207.

So which is it? The accusations that Yorktown parents "are fighting against FARMS kids being moved to their school" or that they are complacent so unbothered by the whole thing?

There are so many blind prejudices on APS threads.

Reread and put your thinking cap on... I believe at this time, they aren't worried. We have heard on this thread and many others that they oppose hypothetical social engineering. Their children shouldn't bused, they paid a premium for their school, the county should keep neighborhoods together, its bad for the environment...
they don't have to worry this go around. The tool won't let you divert an island from the western Pike. They've plenty of terrible things to say, when they really weren't being threatened. What do you think is going to happen if the prospect of a western Pike island builds some steam?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ why would they? They have no affordable housing near them. They are used to the status quo - which is them being untouched. If rhetoric really heats up about the west end of Columbia Pike being shifted to Yorktown, I'm sure we'll hear from 22207.

by "affordable housing" do you mean committed affordable units? There are plenty of those district-ed to Yorktown. see e.g.
Lee Highway – Glebe Road

Property Name Address Type Phone
Cameron Commons (16 units) 2028 N. Cameron Street Garden 703-243-6650
Leckey Gardens (32 units) 2031 N. Woodrow Street Garden 703-243-6650


Lee Highway – Palisades

Property Name Address Type Phone
Calvert Manor (19 units) 1925 N. Calvert Street Garden 703-243-6650
The Larkspur Apartments (76 units) 2508 20th Rd. N. #103 Low-rise 703-888-2298
William Watters (21 units) 2008 N. Adams Street Garden 703-528-7751

Westover

Property Name Address Type Phone
Ashton House I, II, & III (37 units) 5701 N. 10th Rd. Garden 703-538-7171
Fisher House (33 units) 1211 N. Kennebec Street Garden 703-243-6650
Westover Apartments (115 units) 1649 N. Longfellow Street Garden 703-538-7171

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ why would they? They have no affordable housing near them. They are used to the status quo - which is them being untouched. If rhetoric really heats up about the west end of Columbia Pike being shifted to Yorktown, I'm sure we'll hear from 22207.

by "affordable housing" do you mean committed affordable units? There are plenty of those district-ed to Yorktown. see e.g.
Lee Highway – Glebe Road

Property Name Address Type Phone
Cameron Commons (16 units) 2028 N. Cameron Street Garden 703-243-6650
Leckey Gardens (32 units) 2031 N. Woodrow Street Garden 703-243-6650


Lee Highway – Palisades

Property Name Address Type Phone
Calvert Manor (19 units) 1925 N. Calvert Street Garden 703-243-6650
The Larkspur Apartments (76 units) 2508 20th Rd. N. #103 Low-rise 703-888-2298
William Watters (21 units) 2008 N. Adams Street Garden 703-528-7751

Westover

Property Name Address Type Phone
Ashton House I, II, & III (37 units) 5701 N. 10th Rd. Garden 703-538-7171
Fisher House (33 units) 1211 N. Kennebec Street Garden 703-243-6650
Westover Apartments (115 units) 1649 N. Longfellow Street Garden 703-538-7171

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/

That is not "many." That is scant. And I bet if the data were available we'd find that of those there aren't many family-sized units and therefore few children living there. But I don't have that info at my fingertips. It's just a hunch, otherwise the elementary schools feeding YHS would have higher FARMs rates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ why would they? They have no affordable housing near them. They are used to the status quo - which is them being untouched. If rhetoric really heats up about the west end of Columbia Pike being shifted to Yorktown, I'm sure we'll hear from 22207.

by "affordable housing" do you mean committed affordable units? There are plenty of those district-ed to Yorktown. see e.g.
Lee Highway – Glebe Road

Property Name Address Type Phone
Cameron Commons (16 units) 2028 N. Cameron Street Garden 703-243-6650
Leckey Gardens (32 units) 2031 N. Woodrow Street Garden 703-243-6650


Lee Highway – Palisades

Property Name Address Type Phone
Calvert Manor (19 units) 1925 N. Calvert Street Garden 703-243-6650
The Larkspur Apartments (76 units) 2508 20th Rd. N. #103 Low-rise 703-888-2298
William Watters (21 units) 2008 N. Adams Street Garden 703-528-7751

Westover

Property Name Address Type Phone
Ashton House I, II, & III (37 units) 5701 N. 10th Rd. Garden 703-538-7171
Fisher House (33 units) 1211 N. Kennebec Street Garden 703-243-6650
Westover Apartments (115 units) 1649 N. Longfellow Street Garden 703-538-7171

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/

Wow. Did you bother to see just how many more units are inbounds for Wakefield or WL?

You posted approximately 350 units! Gosh that's soooo many!
Just for funsies- let's look at how many units are in the Arlington Mill neighborhood. We'll use that handy little link you posted...
Well hot damn! That Arlington mill area on Columbia Pike has 950 units. That's just one neighborhood!

Above poster, you can stfu now. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Omg. WL parent here. First of all some WL families also Iive in 22207 so stop using that zip code to paint everyone as unsupportive of balancing demographics. Second, how do you know every opposition post is even from yorktown? A number of my coworkers are zoned for YT and they have not been paying too much attention because either their kids are only in elementary school so not focusing on the next 4 years and/or one is not impacted.

I will tell you this much if you continue to be so prejudiced by disparaging an entire group based on anonymous posts then you risk alienation g those of us that may be sympathetic to your cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just curious - are most of the posters here worried about how it is going to affect them personally and within their neighborhood (in other words, families who reside in the planning units that may get reassigned)? Or is there also a lot of concern coming from families who reside in planning units that are not going to get reassigned, but are nevertheless worried about how decisions based on demographics might impact the school their child attends?

I know some find it hard to believe, but I am worried because I am genuinely interested in/concerned about the quality of education we are providing to the children of our community, and for that reason I don't think it's appropriate to concentrate low-income students in one school. Whatever happens doesn't really affect me or my children personally. My oldest just started college and my youngest is a 9th grader at W-L. Our planning unit is not in play, so I'm not worried about my neighbors' kids. I have no expectation that the overcrowding at W-L will be appreciably relieved during my youngest's tenure there. If APS acts and whatever they do immediately relieves some of the crowding at W-L, that's great, although my DC2's class (and the ones in front of him) will continue to be overly large. I also don't "worry" about the demographics of W-L changing in the way that I think you mean. W-L is more white and wealthy now than it was my DC1 started there and especially when we moved to this house, so I have nothing invested in keeping W-L's demographic status quo. I'd be perfectly happy to have the demographics shift back. I'm at all concerned about boundary drawing's impact on the value of our house.

Guess I'm just the neighborhood busybody.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious - are most of the posters here worried about how it is going to affect them personally and within their neighborhood (in other words, families who reside in the planning units that may get reassigned)? Or is there also a lot of concern coming from families who reside in planning units that are not going to get reassigned, but are nevertheless worried about how decisions based on demographics might impact the school their child attends?

WL parent in a planning unit that will not be moved. I've had two graduate in the last 4 years and another who will attend in the fall of 2018. I do not want the demographics of students who attend to change.

But the demographics have changed since your oldest started. Were you unhappy with the demographics then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious - are most of the posters here worried about how it is going to affect them personally and within their neighborhood (in other words, families who reside in the planning units that may get reassigned)? Or is there also a lot of concern coming from families who reside in planning units that are not going to get reassigned, but are nevertheless worried about how decisions based on demographics might impact the school their child attends?

I know some find it hard to believe, but I am worried because I am genuinely interested in/concerned about the quality of education we are providing to the children of our community, and for that reason I don't think it's appropriate to concentrate low-income students in one school. Whatever happens doesn't really affect me or my children personally. My oldest just started college and my youngest is a 9th grader at W-L. Our planning unit is not in play, so I'm not worried about my neighbors' kids. I have no expectation that the overcrowding at W-L will be appreciably relieved during my youngest's tenure there. If APS acts and whatever they do immediately relieves some of the crowding at W-L, that's great, although my DC2's class (and the ones in front of him) will continue to be overly large. I also don't "worry" about the demographics of W-L changing in the way that I think you mean. W-L is more white and wealthy now than it was my DC1 started there and especially when we moved to this house, so I have nothing invested in keeping W-L's demographic status quo. I'd be perfectly happy to have the demographics shift back. I'm at all concerned about boundary drawing's impact on the value of our house.

Guess I'm just the neighborhood busybody.

^^Should read: I'm NOT at all concerned about my property values.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg. WL parent here. First of all some WL families also Iive in 22207 so stop using that zip code to paint everyone as unsupportive of balancing demographics. Second, how do you know every opposition post is even from yorktown? A number of my coworkers are zoned for YT and they have not been paying too much attention because either their kids are only in elementary school so not focusing on the next 4 years and/or one is not impacted.

I will tell you this much if you continue to be so prejudiced by disparaging an entire group based on anonymous posts then you risk alienation g those of us that may be sympathetic to your cause.

Don't worry, we've heard plenty from prejudiced jerks at WL too!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious - are most of the posters here worried about how it is going to affect them personally and within their neighborhood (in other words, families who reside in the planning units that may get reassigned)? Or is there also a lot of concern coming from families who reside in planning units that are not going to get reassigned, but are nevertheless worried about how decisions based on demographics might impact the school their child attends?

WL parent in a planning unit that will not be moved. I've had two graduate in the last 4 years and another who will attend in the fall of 2018. I do not want the demographics of students who attend to change.

But the demographics have changed since your oldest started. Were you unhappy with the demographics then?

No, I was not. In fact when we bought our house about 15 years ago the realtor tried to steer us to Williamsburg and Yorktown but we preferred the demographics of Swanson and WL and were fortunate for our DCs to attend ASFS. We preferred those schools due to the demographics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Omg. WL parent here. First of all some WL families also Iive in 22207 so stop using that zip code to paint everyone as unsupportive of balancing demographics. Second, how do you know every opposition post is even from yorktown? A number of my coworkers are zoned for YT and they have not been paying too much attention because either their kids are only in elementary school so not focusing on the next 4 years and/or one is not impacted.

I will tell you this much if you continue to be so prejudiced by disparaging an entire group based on anonymous posts then you risk alienation g those of us that may be sympathetic to your cause.

Don't worry, we've heard plenty from prejudiced jerks at WL too!

ok, then fuck off wakefield parents..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Omg. WL parent here. First of all some WL families also Iive in 22207 so stop using that zip code to paint everyone as unsupportive of balancing demographics. Second, how do you know every opposition post is even from yorktown? A number of my coworkers are zoned for YT and they have not been paying too much attention because either their kids are only in elementary school so not focusing on the next 4 years and/or one is not impacted.

I will tell you this much if you continue to be so prejudiced by disparaging an entire group based on anonymous posts then you risk alienation g those of us that may be sympathetic to your cause.

Don't worry, we've heard plenty from prejudiced jerks at WL too!

All right. Good luck with your cause. You've lost another sympathetic ear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ why would they? They have no affordable housing near them. They are used to the status quo - which is them being untouched. If rhetoric really heats up about the west end of Columbia Pike being shifted to Yorktown, I'm sure we'll hear from 22207.

So which is it? The accusations that Yorktown parents "are fighting against FARMS kids being moved to their school" or that they are complacent so unbothered by the whole thing?

There are so many blind prejudices on APS threads.

Reread and put your thinking cap on... I believe at this time, they aren't worried. We have heard on this thread and many others that they oppose hypothetical social engineering. Their children shouldn't bused, they paid a premium for their school, the county should keep neighborhoods together, its bad for the environment...
they don't have to worry this go around. The tool won't let you divert an island from the western Pike. They've plenty of terrible things to say, when they really weren't being threatened. What do you think is going to happen if the prospect of a western Pike island builds some steam?

Somebody did it upthread without creating an island by connecting PUs on the west all the way down to Columbia Pike, if I'm ot mistaken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ why would they? They have no affordable housing near them. They are used to the status quo - which is them being untouched. If rhetoric really heats up about the west end of Columbia Pike being shifted to Yorktown, I'm sure we'll hear from 22207.

So which is it? The accusations that Yorktown parents "are fighting against FARMS kids being moved to their school" or that they are complacent so unbothered by the whole thing?

There are so many blind prejudices on APS threads.

Reread and put your thinking cap on... I believe at this time, they aren't worried. We have heard on this thread and many others that they oppose hypothetical social engineering. Their children shouldn't bused, they paid a premium for their school, the county should keep neighborhoods together, its bad for the environment...
they don't have to worry this go around. The tool won't let you divert an island from the western Pike. They've plenty of terrible things to say, when they really weren't being threatened. What do you think is going to happen if the prospect of a western Pike island builds some steam?

Somebody did it upthread without creating an island by connecting PUs on the west all the way down to Columbia Pike, if I'm ot mistaken.

It didn't quite work. I was one who tried. The Western Pike PUs with the high FARMs rates just weren't allowed to go to Yorktown. I got error messages about splitting attendance zones. Someone suggested it was probably because to build a continuous zone required picking up multiple PUs north of the Pike, and then adding the Western Pike units just became too many kids moving and I guess would then overcrowd YHS. But in any event, doesn't seem it can be done in the current exercise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Omg. WL parent here. First of all some WL families also Iive in 22207 so stop using that zip code to paint everyone as unsupportive of balancing demographics. Second, how do you know every opposition post is even from yorktown? A number of my coworkers are zoned for YT and they have not been paying too much attention because either their kids are only in elementary school so not focusing on the next 4 years and/or one is not impacted.

I will tell you this much if you continue to be so prejudiced by disparaging an entire group based on anonymous posts then you risk alienation g those of us that may be sympathetic to your cause.

Don't worry, we've heard plenty from prejudiced jerks at WL too!

ok, then fuck off wakefield parents..

Right back at ya sweetheart!