Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in 1999, Mr. Savapoulos was arguing with someone named Ron Beaubien...Google search and you will find conversations over some martial arts crap. Kind of loony and odd conversation. Perhaps this was retaliation since Mr. Savapoulos was about to open his own martial arts school?

Be careful with the googling. I clicked on one of the normal-looking results to a search on his name (with middle initial) and got a pop up chat message from an unclad woman. I could not get rid of it and didn't want to click again so I had to give the phone to my husband for help. This has never happened to me before. Are spammers trying to capitalize on this?

Hahahah. I love your naïveté

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Three of the four victims had blunt force or sharp object injuries, according to autopsy findings. The police incident report, released on Friday, said all of the victims were suffering from "various traumatic injuries." "

http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/dc/2015/05/15/suspicious-fire-dc-4-dead/27387809/

What does 'blunt force or sharp object injuries' mean? I assumed that meant knife wounds. If all of the victims had 'various traumatic injuries', but only three of the four had 'blunt force or sharp object injuries', then what kind of injuries did the fourth victim have?

Just a guess, but burns are a kind of traumatic injury that involves neither blunt force nor sharp objects.

[Anonymous]

I am just numb this morning. What kind of world are we living in where people beat and stab and set 10 year old boys on fire?

[Anonymous]

The same one where police shoot 12 year year old boys playing with toy guns, where they kidnap and rape school girls en masse from villages, where they kidnap young children into slavery for prostitution and hard labor, where they shoot girls in the head for advocating for educational rights ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Google Savvas Savapoulos Martial Arts and see what comes up....he had a passion for it...taught classes at the University Club. Trained in 3 types...violent types involving knives. He followed the teachings of some one that believed in the "Beauty and Grace of Violence." A very strange interest...on one website he challenges someone... I feel the police know this already the crime scene was bloody and the rescue workers knew immediately violent crime scene. I think the boy died of smoke inhalation elsewhere. Maid killed and wife in front of this man. He was killed with martial arts weapon. I know sounds crazy but look at the web and you will see…

No scenario is good, of course but this would be one that sounds possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The same one where police shoot 12 year year old boys playing with toy guns, where they kidnap and rape school girls en masse from villages, where they kidnap young children into slavery for prostitution and hard labor, where they shoot girls in the head for advocating for educational rights …

I know. Everyday there are horrors in the world--worse than this. This one just feels close to home for me--but --sadly, you're right.

[Anonymous]

I keep checking in, hoping to see a post about a break in this horrible case.

[Anonymous]

I guess I'm a naive googler too because I am glad to be warned about that.

[Anonymous]

This is a common occurance with Google, or any search engine, for that matter. Just delete history and you should be fine.

[Anonymous]

This thread is too long to read in its entirety, but one article I read was that there was unusual activity in the neighborhood all week..reports of a prowler, aggressive vacuum salesperson(do people still actually do this?) etc. It sounds like canvassing a neighborhood with two scenarios:

1) random criminals lurking around to see who was home when, and what they may have to offer in terms of burglary.

Or

2) a professional hit with a crew scoping out the neighborhood in advance of the crime to determine best time to attack.

The only thing from keeping me from believing 100% in option one is that this is a block or two from the VP's house. Why pick a house so close to the secret service (unless the thugs didn't even know the proximity to the VP, which is possible).

The only thing keeping me from believing 100% in option two is with a hit, I would assume that they would be in and out, not hiding in the house for more than 12 hours. That doesn't makes sense to me.

I guess I will, in the end, assume option 1...a burglary gone very, tragically, horribly wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Google Savvas Savapoulos Martial Arts and see what comes up....he had a passion for it...taught classes at the University Club. Trained in 3 types...violent types involving knives. He followed the teachings of some one that believed in the "Beauty and Grace of Violence." A very strange interest...on one website he challenges someone... I feel the police know this already the crime scene was bloody and the rescue workers knew immediately violent crime scene. I think the boy died of smoke inhalation elsewhere. Maid killed and wife in front of this man. He was killed with martial arts weapon. I know sounds crazy but look at the web and you will see…

No scenario is good, of course but this would be one that sounds possible.

He died of traumatic injuries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same one where police shoot 12 year year old boys playing with toy guns, where they kidnap and rape school girls en masse from villages, where they kidnap young children into slavery for prostitution and hard labor, where they shoot girls in the head for advocating for educational rights …

I know. Everyday there are horrors in the world--worse than this. This one just feels close to home for me--but --sadly, you're right.

Having lived in the DC area for years and having kept up with the news on crimes like this, nine times out of 10 its garden variety thugs perpetrating these crimes. This sounds no different. Nice to speculate about the conspiracies like a martial arts rival but face it, they were very vulnerable where they lived and they are not far from some of the roughest areas on the East Coast. Let this be a lesson: if you are going to live in a fancy neighborhood in this area: pay extra for very good security. Get dogs, get a guard, build high cement walls and put sharp glass on top. Do NOT flaunt your wealth. This is not Kansas, people. Visit Bogota, Colombia and get some ideas of how you can beef up on your personal security. I am always astounded at how vulnerable wealthy people make themselves.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:The only thing from keeping me from believing 100% in option one is that this is a block or two from the VP's house. Why pick a house so close to the secret service (unless the thugs didn't even know the proximity to the VP, which is possible).

The proximity to the Vice President's house is being greatly exaggerated in my opinion. The home is only close to the perimeter of the Naval Observatory and the VP's house is set pretty far back. There is a thickly wooded area that separates them. The proximity of the Belgian Embassy is probably much more important, as well as other near by diplomatic facilities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same one where police shoot 12 year year old boys playing with toy guns, where they kidnap and rape school girls en masse from villages, where they kidnap young children into slavery for prostitution and hard labor, where they shoot girls in the head for advocating for educational rights …

I know. Everyday there are horrors in the world--worse than this. This one just feels close to home for me--but --sadly, you're right.

Having lived in the DC area for years and having kept up with the news on crimes like this, nine times out of 10 its garden variety thugs perpetrating these crimes. This sounds no different. Nice to speculate about the conspiracies like a martial arts rival but face it, they were very vulnerable where they lived and they are not far from some of the roughest areas on the East Coast. Let this be a lesson: if you are going to live in a fancy neighborhood in this area: pay extra for very good security. Get dogs, get a guard, build high cement walls and put sharp glass on top. Do NOT flaunt your wealth. This is not Kansas, people. Visit Bogota, Colombia and get some ideas of how you can beef up on your personal security. I am always astounded at how vulnerable wealthy people make themselves.

Actually, this crime does sound different. Very, very different. Not talking about ninja sword Shogun theories.

Rather, the protracted nature of the events (24 hours? 36 hours?) and the spectacular brutality -- not to mention the number of homicides -- is very rare.

[Anonymous]

I have been wondering ..did anyone actually see any of the people in the house on Wednesday?
did the father go to work?