Option B Alternate - Adding extra ES to WJ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Today at the BOE meeting, the central office stood behind the Superintendent’s recommendation.

However…to respond to some comments, they propose an alternative to the BOE that would cut Viers Mill Elementary in two for split articulation. The half in the walk zone to Wheaton would go to Wheaton. The other half would go to WJ. This is instead of all of VMES going to Woodward.

Thoughts?

Horrible. In 2 years they will cry that Wheaton is overcrowded and how horrible it is for taxpayers not to fund an expansion of Edison "for equity". When they should have just done the boundary study correctly without inflating Wheaton HS capacity with seats that don't exist.

+1 the utilization presentation made it clear that it is Wheaton that needs alleviation, not Woodward. So this will make Woodward 76% utilized and Wheaton 93%. This is not parity and equity.

And Woodward shouldn’t have 9% less utilization than WJ. That’s greater wear and tear on the older facility. But more importantly, demand for WJ magnet will be greater than Woodward magnet creating capacity issue at WJ. This is fiscally irresponsible to build a new school and not use it.

Yeah, every effort should be made to keep WJ as empty as possible.

First, it is amazing that the proposed compromise doesn't touch WJ even though it is at 77% utilization.

This story about magnet demand defeats the purpose of the whole magnet model. So you are saying that magnets will be so unbalanced that we have to plan utilization numbers accordingly. Then don't even bother with magnets that are predicted not to attract students.

WJ is at 77% and there is still worry that it will be a lot of wear and tear there. Then how about another compromise - we move the humanities magnet to Woodward and send art magnet to WJ so they are not too stressed with too many students.

They should modify further to send Farmland and Luxmanor back to WJ. And just give Woodward to those who need it most….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today at the BOE meeting, the central office stood behind the Superintendent’s recommendation.

However…to respond to some comments, they propose an alternative to the BOE that would cut Viers Mill Elementary in two for split articulation. The half in the walk zone to Wheaton would go to Wheaton. The other half would go to WJ. This is instead of all of VMES going to Woodward.

Thoughts?

Horrible. In 2 years they will cry that Wheaton is overcrowded and how horrible it is for taxpayers not to fund an expansion of Edison "for equity". When they should have just done the boundary study correctly without inflating Wheaton HS capacity with seats that don't exist.

+1 the utilization presentation made it clear that it is Wheaton that needs alleviation, not Woodward. So this will make Woodward 76% utilized and Wheaton 93%. This is not parity and equity.

And Woodward shouldn’t have 9% less utilization than WJ. That’s greater wear and tear on the older facility. But more importantly, demand for WJ magnet will be greater than Woodward magnet creating capacity issue at WJ. This is fiscally irresponsible to build a new school and not use it.

Yeah, every effort should be made to keep WJ as empty as possible.

First, it is amazing that the proposed compromise doesn't touch WJ even though it is at 77% utilization.

This story about magnet demand defeats the purpose of the whole magnet model. So you are saying that magnets will be so unbalanced that we have to plan utilization numbers accordingly. Then don't even bother with magnets that are predicted not to attract students.

WJ is at 77% and there is still worry that it will be a lot of wear and tear there. Then how about another compromise - we move the humanities magnet to Woodward and send art magnet to WJ so they are not too stressed with too many students.

Start a change dot org petition immediately. Attract 2000 signatures with 50% in the affected zip code.

No, it is now on you to start a change dot org petition to cry foul for WJ getting a half of the high FARMS school. Also, start a barrage of posts on DCUM pretending to be concerned VMES families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today at the BOE meeting, the central office stood behind the Superintendent’s recommendation.

However…to respond to some comments, they propose an alternative to the BOE that would cut Viers Mill Elementary in two for split articulation. The half in the walk zone to Wheaton would go to Wheaton. The other half would go to WJ. This is instead of all of VMES going to Woodward.

Thoughts?

This compromise is certainly more balanced than Taylor's recommendation.

It does make sense to send kids in the walk zone to Wheaton.

But it’s crowded at that school. And the split articulation boogie monster only matters when it’s your kids having to do it….

But we have spent the last decade arguing that kids should go to the closest school, particularly if they are in the walk zone. 93% is not terrible for Wheaton and they don’t have the projected growth that other parts of the county has.

Wrong. They have the most projected student growth if you paid attention to the work session today. It was very well done. Wheaton is where the kids are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today at the BOE meeting, the central office stood behind the Superintendent’s recommendation.

However…to respond to some comments, they propose an alternative to the BOE that would cut Viers Mill Elementary in two for split articulation. The half in the walk zone to Wheaton would go to Wheaton. The other half would go to WJ. This is instead of all of VMES going to Woodward.

Thoughts?

Horrible. In 2 years they will cry that Wheaton is overcrowded and how horrible it is for taxpayers not to fund an expansion of Edison "for equity". When they should have just done the boundary study correctly without inflating Wheaton HS capacity with seats that don't exist.

+1 the utilization presentation made it clear that it is Wheaton that needs alleviation, not Woodward. So this will make Woodward 76% utilized and Wheaton 93%. This is not parity and equity.

And Woodward shouldn’t have 9% less utilization than WJ. That’s greater wear and tear on the older facility. But more importantly, demand for WJ magnet will be greater than Woodward magnet creating capacity issue at WJ. This is fiscally irresponsible to build a new school and not use it.

Yeah, every effort should be made to keep WJ as empty as possible.

First, it is amazing that the proposed compromise doesn't touch WJ even though it is at 77% utilization.

This story about magnet demand defeats the purpose of the whole magnet model. So you are saying that magnets will be so unbalanced that we have to plan utilization numbers accordingly. Then don't even bother with magnets that are predicted not to attract students.

WJ is at 77% and there is still worry that it will be a lot of wear and tear there. Then how about another compromise - we move the humanities magnet to Woodward and send art magnet to WJ so they are not too stressed with too many students.

Start a change dot org petition immediately. Attract 2000 signatures with 50% in the affected zip code.

No, it is now on you to start a change dot org petition to cry foul for WJ getting a half of the high FARMS school. Also, start a barrage of posts on DCUM pretending to be concerned VMES families.

You can keep saying this all you want but it does not silence the emails or the views of VMES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today at the BOE meeting, the central office stood behind the Superintendent’s recommendation.

However…to respond to some comments, they propose an alternative to the BOE that would cut Viers Mill Elementary in two for split articulation. The half in the walk zone to Wheaton would go to Wheaton. The other half would go to WJ. This is instead of all of VMES going to Woodward.

Thoughts?

This compromise is certainly more balanced than Taylor's recommendation.

It does make sense to send kids in the walk zone to Wheaton.

The supposed “walk zone” requires crossing Randolph rd, viers mill rd, and Connecticut. I would never want to let a 14/15 year old walk that route

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today at the BOE meeting, the central office stood behind the Superintendent’s recommendation.

However…to respond to some comments, they propose an alternative to the BOE that would cut Viers Mill Elementary in two for split articulation. The half in the walk zone to Wheaton would go to Wheaton. The other half would go to WJ. This is instead of all of VMES going to Woodward.

Thoughts?

This compromise is certainly more balanced then Taylor's recommendation.

I’m Woodward regardless. Is it? I guess I’m in favor of my school being less crowded but it looks like musical chairs.

WJ 77 to 84
Wheaton 86 to 93
Woodward 91 to 76

I don’t think balance is the right word here because it’s similar utilization rates just houses differently.

FARMS balance

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today at the BOE meeting, the central office stood behind the Superintendent’s recommendation.

However…to respond to some comments, they propose an alternative to the BOE that would cut Viers Mill Elementary in two for split articulation. The half in the walk zone to Wheaton would go to Wheaton. The other half would go to WJ. This is instead of all of VMES going to Woodward.

Thoughts?

This compromise is certainly more balanced then Taylor's recommendation.

I’m Woodward regardless. Is it? I guess I’m in favor of my school being less crowded but it looks like musical chairs.

WJ 77 to 84
Wheaton 86 to 93
Woodward 91 to 76

I don’t think balance is the right word here because it’s similar utilization rates just houses differently.

FARMS balance

WJ from 15.3 to 17.7
Wheaton from 59.2 to 58.7
Woodward from 35.2 to 32.2

Did it move the needle that much?

I agree it basically just moves around utilization rates without much change to farms. I guess a smidge but nothing meaningful worth breaking up communities over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today at the BOE meeting, the central office stood behind the Superintendent’s recommendation.

However…to respond to some comments, they propose an alternative to the BOE that would cut Viers Mill Elementary in two for split articulation. The half in the walk zone to Wheaton would go to Wheaton. The other half would go to WJ. This is instead of all of VMES going to Woodward.

Thoughts?

This compromise is certainly more balanced than Taylor's recommendation.

It does make sense to send kids in the walk zone to Wheaton.

The supposed “walk zone” requires crossing Randolph rd, viers mill rd, and Connecticut. I would never want to let a 14/15 year old walk that route

VMES family here (no not a fake one). Yes, remember that poor kid that was hit last September from the baseball team? Feel so bad for his family. I never let my kids walk that area now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today at the BOE meeting, the central office stood behind the Superintendent’s recommendation.

However…to respond to some comments, they propose an alternative to the BOE that would cut Viers Mill Elementary in two for split articulation. The half in the walk zone to Wheaton would go to Wheaton. The other half would go to WJ. This is instead of all of VMES going to Woodward.

Thoughts?

Horrible. In 2 years they will cry that Wheaton is overcrowded and how horrible it is for taxpayers not to fund an expansion of Edison "for equity". When they should have just done the boundary study correctly without inflating Wheaton HS capacity with seats that don't exist.

+1 the utilization presentation made it clear that it is Wheaton that needs alleviation, not Woodward. So this will make Woodward 76% utilized and Wheaton 93%. This is not parity and equity.

And Woodward shouldn’t have 9% less utilization than WJ. That’s greater wear and tear on the older facility. But more importantly, demand for WJ magnet will be greater than Woodward magnet creating capacity issue at WJ. This is fiscally irresponsible to build a new school and not use it.

Yeah, every effort should be made to keep WJ as empty as possible.

First, it is amazing that the proposed compromise doesn't touch WJ even though it is at 77% utilization.

This story about magnet demand defeats the purpose of the whole magnet model. So you are saying that magnets will be so unbalanced that we have to plan utilization numbers accordingly. Then don't even bother with magnets that are predicted not to attract students.

WJ is at 77% and there is still worry that it will be a lot of wear and tear there. Then how about another compromise - we move the humanities magnet to Woodward and send art magnet to WJ so they are not too stressed with too many students.

They should modify further to send Farmland and Luxmanor back to WJ. And just give Woodward to those who need it most….

Northwood? They are already in.

[Anonymous]

And we’ve had kids die riding bikes on Old Georgetown but are still expected to walk to Woodward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today at the BOE meeting, the central office stood behind the Superintendent’s recommendation.

However…to respond to some comments, they propose an alternative to the BOE that would cut Viers Mill Elementary in two for split articulation. The half in the walk zone to Wheaton would go to Wheaton. The other half would go to WJ. This is instead of all of VMES going to Woodward.

Thoughts?

This compromise is certainly more balanced then Taylor's recommendation.

I’m Woodward regardless. Is it? I guess I’m in favor of my school being less crowded but it looks like musical chairs.

WJ 77 to 84
Wheaton 86 to 93
Woodward 91 to 76

I don’t think balance is the right word here because it’s similar utilization rates just houses differently.

FARMS balance

WJ from 15.3 to 17.7
Wheaton from 59.2 to 58.7
Woodward from 35.2 to 32.2

Did it move the needle that much?

I agree it basically just moves around utilization rates without much change to farms. I guess a smidge but nothing meaningful worth breaking up communities over.

15.3 to 17.7 ??? That WJ poster will get a heart attack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today at the BOE meeting, the central office stood behind the Superintendent’s recommendation.

However…to respond to some comments, they propose an alternative to the BOE that would cut Viers Mill Elementary in two for split articulation. The half in the walk zone to Wheaton would go to Wheaton. The other half would go to WJ. This is instead of all of VMES going to Woodward.

Thoughts?

This compromise is certainly more balanced then Taylor's recommendation.

I’m Woodward regardless. Is it? I guess I’m in favor of my school being less crowded but it looks like musical chairs.

WJ 77 to 84
Wheaton 86 to 93
Woodward 91 to 76

I don’t think balance is the right word here because it’s similar utilization rates just houses differently.

FARMS balance

WJ from 15.3 to 17.7
Wheaton from 59.2 to 58.7
Woodward from 35.2 to 32.2

Did it move the needle that much?

I agree it basically just moves around utilization rates without much change to farms. I guess a smidge but nothing meaningful worth breaking up communities over.

It's not a meaningful farms difference.

What is happening is that they inflated the capacity of Wheaton HS by 500 seats over what is in the CIP for that school. So the Superintendent's recommendation actually leaves Wheaton HS over capacity. Adding half of Viers Mill would make this worse. In two years they will cry about how overcrowded Wheaton is and how the Council MUST fund an expansion of Edison HS (next door) for overflow. They will say this was promised to them, but it should never have been promised with the current fiscal situation. There is plenty of capacity in existing buildings, and the walk from Viers Mill to Wheaton is not safe. Everyone is better off with them getting a bus to another school with actual capacity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today at the BOE meeting, the central office stood behind the Superintendent’s recommendation.

However…to respond to some comments, they propose an alternative to the BOE that would cut Viers Mill Elementary in two for split articulation. The half in the walk zone to Wheaton would go to Wheaton. The other half would go to WJ. This is instead of all of VMES going to Woodward.

Thoughts?

This compromise is certainly more balanced then Taylor's recommendation.

I’m Woodward regardless. Is it? I guess I’m in favor of my school being less crowded but it looks like musical chairs.

WJ 77 to 84
Wheaton 86 to 93
Woodward 91 to 76

I don’t think balance is the right word here because it’s similar utilization rates just houses differently.

FARMS balance

WJ from 15.3 to 17.7
Wheaton from 59.2 to 58.7
Woodward from 35.2 to 32.2

Did it move the needle that much?

I agree it basically just moves around utilization rates without much change to farms. I guess a smidge but nothing meaningful worth breaking up communities over.

Some communities will be breaking up in all scenarios.

[Anonymous]

Are there slides so we can see the actual proposal?