Record number of high schoolers swapping the Ivy League for the SEC thanks to sunshine, campus culture - The Times

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Anonymous wrote:The enrollment and app figures in the north and northeast are being juked with these visa scams. Rutgers is a prominent example.

This is clearly a school with a business plan that works for them. Obviously a school that doesn't attract any native born Americans. Are you suggesting that some of the rules these "christian" schools are using bypass the intent of the law? If so, take a look at all of those religious public charter schools around the country doing the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:The enrollment and app figures in the north and northeast are being juked with these visa scams. Rutgers is a prominent example.

This is clearly a school with a business plan that works for them. Obviously a school that doesn't attract any native born Americans. Are you suggesting that some of the rules these "christian" schools are using bypass the intent of the law? If so, take a look at all of those religious public charter schools around the country doing the same thing.

One class per semester? You think that’s a legitimate business plan?

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Not all families have a budget constraint.

One doesn’t necessarily need a budget constraint to not light money on fire or flush it down the toilet. Maybe you do?

Well…yeah you do. You think someone dropping $30k on a Birken bag gives a shit what college costs?

You think even the average BigLaw partner really cares all that much about Harvard college tuition when they probably have already been spending nearly that every year already for private school?

You’re right, THIS is what the Ivies want. Don’t fall for their bullshit, the free tuition is for a handful of students when they educate more from the top 1% than the bottom 60%

So do most flagship state universities…

Really? State flagships enroll more students from the top 1% than the bottom 60?

Name the schools. Go ahead and cite your source.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Not all families have a budget constraint.

One doesn’t necessarily need a budget constraint to not light money on fire or flush it down the toilet. Maybe you do?

Well…yeah you do. You think someone dropping $30k on a Birken bag gives a shit what college costs?

You think even the average BigLaw partner really cares all that much about Harvard college tuition when they probably have already been spending nearly that every year already for private school?

You’re right, THIS is what the Ivies want. Don’t fall for their bullshit, the free tuition is for a handful of students when they educate more from the top 1% than the bottom 60%

Harvard doesn’t. Columbia doesn’t. Cornell doesn’t…this seems like cherry picking. The top colleges who take from the top 1% are…Washington University in St. Louis, Colorado College, W&L, Colby, Trinity, Bucknell, Colgate, Kenyon, Middlebury, and Tufts. None of the top public or private schools are ranked well for social mobility- UT Austin is at 1430 and Alabama is ranked 1517

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Not all families have a budget constraint.

One doesn’t necessarily need a budget constraint to not light money on fire or flush it down the toilet. Maybe you do?

Well…yeah you do. You think someone dropping $30k on a Birken bag gives a shit what college costs?

You think even the average BigLaw partner really cares all that much about Harvard college tuition when they probably have already been spending nearly that every year already for private school?

You’re right, THIS is what the Ivies want. Don’t fall for their bullshit, the free tuition is for a handful of students when they educate more from the top 1% than the bottom 60%

Harvard doesn’t. Columbia doesn’t. Cornell doesn’t…this seems like cherry picking. The top colleges who take from the top 1% are…Washington University in St. Louis, Colorado College, W&L, Colby, Trinity, Bucknell, Colgate, Kenyon, Middlebury, and Tufts. None of the top public or private schools are ranked well for social mobility- UT Austin is at 1430 and Alabama is ranked 1517

Google cherry picking before you use the term incorrectly. It’s common knowledge the top 1% is overrepresented at Ivies

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/surprise-the-1-is-overrepresented-in-the-ivy-league

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Not all families have a budget constraint.

One doesn’t necessarily need a budget constraint to not light money on fire or flush it down the toilet. Maybe you do?

Well…yeah you do. You think someone dropping $30k on a Birken bag gives a shit what college costs?

You think even the average BigLaw partner really cares all that much about Harvard college tuition when they probably have already been spending nearly that every year already for private school?

You’re right, THIS is what the Ivies want. Don’t fall for their bullshit, the free tuition is for a handful of students when they educate more from the top 1% than the bottom 60%

Harvard doesn’t. Columbia doesn’t. Cornell doesn’t…this seems like cherry picking. The top colleges who take from the top 1% are…Washington University in St. Louis, Colorado College, W&L, Colby, Trinity, Bucknell, Colgate, Kenyon, Middlebury, and Tufts. None of the top public or private schools are ranked well for social mobility- UT Austin is at 1430 and Alabama is ranked 1517

Harvard does. In fact, here is a well-sourced scholarly text written by a Harvard alum on this exact topic. Maybe it’s on sale for Black Friday. You should educate yourself!

https://www.amazon.com/Poison-Ivy-Elite-Colleges-Divide/dp/1620976951

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Anonymous wrote:Back in my day, the quintessential college experience was associated with snow and New England. I remember visiting a friend who attended ASU and thinking it was like a resort and somewhat unserious. The dorm was a former motel and the rooms had sliding glass doors that opened to a pool area.

This totally depends on where you are from. I’m 53 and from a southern state and no one viewed being in a snowy place up north as the quintessential college experience. In fact most people wanted to go further south for college.

DCUM skews heavily towards northern transplants and they can’t really conceive that there are huge swaths of the country who have a much different take on what a desirable lifestyle is.

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Anonymous wrote:Back in my day, the quintessential college experience was associated with snow and New England. I remember visiting a friend who attended ASU and thinking it was like a resort and somewhat unserious. The dorm was a former motel and the rooms had sliding glass doors that opened to a pool area.

This totally depends on where you are from. I’m 53 and from a southern state and no one viewed being in a snowy place up north as the quintessential college experience. In fact most people wanted to go further south for college.

DCUM skews heavily towards northern transplants and they can’t really conceive that there are huge swaths of the country who have a much different take on what a desirable lifestyle is.

My family is in Southern California. My kids had very little idea what a winter in New England would be like. But they did know that going to HYP would be a lifetime gift even if winter was transiently painful. Turned out that they loved the east coast, winter and all.

My advice to kids thinking about this (who actually realistically have the option): optimize for 40 years, not 4.

I find my own advice, however, somewhat theoretical. For each of the application cycles that my kids went through, at the private they attended, I don’t think there was a single kid who really viewed an HYP seat as exchangeable with anything but Stanford.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so glad that my son wants no part in this. Sure, he likes to party, but he really wants to be involved in a community and not just constantly tailgate and spectate. He's applying to private schools in New England and couldn't be more excited.

I am so glad that my own son had the foresight to take his Ivy-lottery stats and leadership ability to a Southern school instead of the Amtrak Northeast corridor. ED and done and he managed to miss allll the pro-Hamas performative nonsense and the censorious classroom groupthink. His exit options are on par with the northeast schools he eschewed and he confirms that he has never performed a keg stand during college, contrary to what you all imagine

He wasn't getting into an Ivy, ED and done was the right call.

Certainly not if he also thinks NE schools are “pro Hamas”.

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Anonymous wrote:Back in my day, the quintessential college experience was associated with snow and New England. I remember visiting a friend who attended ASU and thinking it was like a resort and somewhat unserious. The dorm was a former motel and the rooms had sliding glass doors that opened to a pool area.

This totally depends on where you are from. I’m 53 and from a southern state and no one viewed being in a snowy place up north as the quintessential college experience. In fact most people wanted to go further south for college.

DCUM skews heavily towards northern transplants and they can’t really conceive that there are huge swaths of the country who have a much different take on what a desirable lifestyle is.

My family is in Southern California. My kids had very little idea what a winter in New England would be like. But they did know that going to HYP would be a lifetime gift even if winter was transiently painful. Turned out that they loved the east coast, winter and all.

My advice to kids thinking about this (who actually realistically have the option): optimize for 40 years, not 4.

I find my own advice, however, somewhat theoretical. For each of the application cycles that my kids went through, at the private they attended, I don’t think there was a single kid who really viewed an HYP seat as exchangeable with anything but Stanford.

The SEC is an optimization, just different. You are optimizing for what sounds like economic value I presume. My family values fun and my kids don’t need a Harvard degree to run our thriving family business. It’s not glamorous, but it works.

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Anonymous wrote:Back in my day, the quintessential college experience was associated with snow and New England. I remember visiting a friend who attended ASU and thinking it was like a resort and somewhat unserious. The dorm was a former motel and the rooms had sliding glass doors that opened to a pool area.

This totally depends on where you are from. I’m 53 and from a southern state and no one viewed being in a snowy place up north as the quintessential college experience. In fact most people wanted to go further south for college.

DCUM skews heavily towards northern transplants and they can’t really conceive that there are huge swaths of the country who have a much different take on what a desirable lifestyle is.

My family is in Southern California. My kids had very little idea what a winter in New England would be like. But they did know that going to HYP would be a lifetime gift even if winter was transiently painful. Turned out that they loved the east coast, winter and all.

My advice to kids thinking about this (who actually realistically have the option): optimize for 40 years, not 4.

I find my own advice, however, somewhat theoretical. For each of the application cycles that my kids went through, at the private they attended, I don’t think there was a single kid who really viewed an HYP seat as exchangeable with anything but Stanford.

The kids’ sense/awareness of the bigger world outside their childhood state/region is also much bigger now, thanks to the internet. 30-40 years ago, it was not the norm for most people to look too far beyond the state flagships and regional state U’s. When I got into my private New England college back the, only 2-3 people in our social circle/community knew anything about it.The local valedictorians usually opted for the state flagship or an in-state private back then.

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Anonymous wrote:Back in my day, the quintessential college experience was associated with snow and New England. I remember visiting a friend who attended ASU and thinking it was like a resort and somewhat unserious. The dorm was a former motel and the rooms had sliding glass doors that opened to a pool area.

This totally depends on where you are from. I’m 53 and from a southern state and no one viewed being in a snowy place up north as the quintessential college experience. In fact most people wanted to go further south for college.

DCUM skews heavily towards northern transplants and they can’t really conceive that there are huge swaths of the country who have a much different take on what a desirable lifestyle is.

My family is in Southern California. My kids had very little idea what a winter in New England would be like. But they did know that going to HYP would be a lifetime gift even if winter was transiently painful. Turned out that they loved the east coast, winter and all.

My advice to kids thinking about this (who actually realistically have the option): optimize for 40 years, not 4.

I find my own advice, however, somewhat theoretical. For each of the application cycles that my kids went through, at the private they attended, I don’t think there was a single kid who really viewed an HYP seat as exchangeable with anything but Stanford.

The SEC is an optimization, just different. You are optimizing for what sounds like economic value I presume. My family values fun and my kids don’t need a Harvard degree to run our thriving family business. It’s not glamorous, but it works.

You don’t need any degree at all to run a family business.

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Anonymous wrote:Back in my day, the quintessential college experience was associated with snow and New England. I remember visiting a friend who attended ASU and thinking it was like a resort and somewhat unserious. The dorm was a former motel and the rooms had sliding glass doors that opened to a pool area.

This totally depends on where you are from. I’m 53 and from a southern state and no one viewed being in a snowy place up north as the quintessential college experience. In fact most people wanted to go further south for college.

DCUM skews heavily towards northern transplants and they can’t really conceive that there are huge swaths of the country who have a much different take on what a desirable lifestyle is.

My family is in Southern California. My kids had very little idea what a winter in New England would be like. But they did know that going to HYP would be a lifetime gift even if winter was transiently painful. Turned out that they loved the east coast, winter and all.

My advice to kids thinking about this (who actually realistically have the option): optimize for 40 years, not 4.

I find my own advice, however, somewhat theoretical. For each of the application cycles that my kids went through, at the private they attended, I don’t think there was a single kid who really viewed an HYP seat as exchangeable with anything but Stanford.

The kids’ sense/awareness of the bigger world outside their childhood state/region is also much bigger now, thanks to the internet. 30-40 years ago, it was not the norm for most people to look too far beyond the state flagships and regional state U’s. When I got into my private New England college back the, only 2-3 people in our social circle/community knew anything about it.The local valedictorians usually opted for the state flagship or an in-state private back then.

Where did you go to HS?

This wasn’t true for my HS in the NE. Most of our top 10-15% kids went OOS/T20.

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Anonymous wrote:Back in my day, the quintessential college experience was associated with snow and New England. I remember visiting a friend who attended ASU and thinking it was like a resort and somewhat unserious. The dorm was a former motel and the rooms had sliding glass doors that opened to a pool area.

This totally depends on where you are from. I’m 53 and from a southern state and no one viewed being in a snowy place up north as the quintessential college experience. In fact most people wanted to go further south for college.

DCUM skews heavily towards northern transplants and they can’t really conceive that there are huge swaths of the country who have a much different take on what a desirable lifestyle is.

My family is in Southern California. My kids had very little idea what a winter in New England would be like. But they did know that going to HYP would be a lifetime gift even if winter was transiently painful. Turned out that they loved the east coast, winter and all.

My advice to kids thinking about this (who actually realistically have the option): optimize for 40 years, not 4.

I find my own advice, however, somewhat theoretical. For each of the application cycles that my kids went through, at the private they attended, I don’t think there was a single kid who really viewed an HYP seat as exchangeable with anything but Stanford.

And what do your kids have for the next 40 years that you know for sure they wouldn’t have had if they had not gone to HYP?

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Anonymous wrote:Back in my day, the quintessential college experience was associated with snow and New England. I remember visiting a friend who attended ASU and thinking it was like a resort and somewhat unserious. The dorm was a former motel and the rooms had sliding glass doors that opened to a pool area.

This totally depends on where you are from. I’m 53 and from a southern state and no one viewed being in a snowy place up north as the quintessential college experience. In fact most people wanted to go further south for college.

DCUM skews heavily towards northern transplants and they can’t really conceive that there are huge swaths of the country who have a much different take on what a desirable lifestyle is.

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