Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment

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Anonymous wrote:At meeting push for ALL units to be affordable housing. None at market rate.

No firm would be interested in building such a project. It's unsustainable, and there would be no added density at this high opportunity site.

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Also focus on 38% of median income.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. The city will take anything it can get. Bowser is desperate to please developers who are leaving in droves and refusing tax breaks because DC has become a crime ridden corrupt dysfunctional dystopia. Handing over public land for a dime is just one of many tactics that won’t work. And it’s crazy naive of clergy and ANC commissioners to Greenlight any of it. Bowser needs to dig out of her own hole some other way.

The clergy are YIYBYs - "yes, in your back yard" advocates. They would have more credibility if their respective religious institutions were developing affordable housing on their own sites.

You sure a community wouldn't move to block that too? Because its happened, lol.

To wit:

Since the groundbreaking is supposed to happen sometime this month, I thought it appropriate to post a couple of things about this project, "for the record." First, as one of the many people in opposition to this project, I tried to be reasonable with Fr Kelley et al in terms of mixing market rate apartments with affordable ones. They wouldn't hear of it, and were utterly intractable on the subject. Second, I was never uncivil during the process. Although I disagreed with many of their so-called facts and tired of their blatant mendacity, I don't think calling someone's bluff is being uncivil. Third, and last, those who say this project will not affect the high prices that homes in Eckington are fetching would do well to see that several luxury condo buildings are selling so poorly that the owners have decided to put them up for auction. I have every confidence that naysayers such as myself will ultimately be vindicated. - Stephen White

I have lived there for over a decade. My home's value has nearly quadrupled. The tenants of that building were nothing but kind. Many of them were involved in the community. The neighborhood has thrived, and will do even better now that the McMillian Plan block has fallen and the city is discussing a deck over for N. Capitol street.

For shame, Stephen White.

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Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

It's actualy 7/10 of a mile from the metro station. I don't get it...if you are within a mile of a metro station, then you are close to a metro station.

It's also across the street from a Bus Depot. That's mass transit too. Although you can be forgiven for forgetting that, since you're above riding on a bus.

That's not a bus depot. You would know that if you either lived in the area or took the bus.

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Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

It's actualy 7/10 of a mile from the metro station. I don't get it...if you are within a mile of a metro station, then you are close to a metro station.

It's also across the street from a Bus Depot. That's mass transit too. Although you can be forgiven for forgetting that, since you're above riding on a bus.

That's not a bus depot. You would know that if you either lived in the area or took the bus.

Let's see.. its a large area with a parking lot where buses come east and west and head south, where they engage in transfers, where there's shelter, and an inside area with a bathroom. What do you want me to call it? A really nice bus stop?

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Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

It's actualy 7/10 of a mile from the metro station. I don't get it...if you are within a mile of a metro station, then you are close to a metro station.

It's also across the street from a Bus Depot. That's mass transit too. Although you can be forgiven for forgetting that, since you're above riding on a bus.

That's not a bus depot. You would know that if you either lived in the area or took the bus.

Let's see.. its a large area with a parking lot where buses come east and west and head south, where they engage in transfers, where there's shelter, and an inside area with a bathroom. What do you want me to call it? A really nice bus stop?

There are scooters and shared bikes on the sidewalk outside. That makes the depot a multi-modal urban transportation hub to support transit-oriented, vibrant, mixed-use density in Chevy Chase!

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The resolution passed 4-2.

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Anonymous wrote:The resolution passed 4-2.

What does the resolution say?

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Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

It's actualy 7/10 of a mile from the metro station. I don't get it...if you are within a mile of a metro station, then you are close to a metro station.

It's also across the street from a Bus Depot. That's mass transit too. Although you can be forgiven for forgetting that, since you're above riding on a bus.

That's not a bus depot. You would know that if you either lived in the area or took the bus.

Let's see.. its a large area with a parking lot where buses come east and west and head south, where they engage in transfers, where there's shelter, and an inside area with a bathroom. What do you want me to call it? A really nice bus stop?

And that's where you gave yourself away as someone that not only doesn't live in the area but also doesn't take the bus.

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Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

It's actualy 7/10 of a mile from the metro station. I don't get it...if you are within a mile of a metro station, then you are close to a metro station.

It's also across the street from a Bus Depot. That's mass transit too. Although you can be forgiven for forgetting that, since you're above riding on a bus.

That's not a bus depot. You would know that if you either lived in the area or took the bus.

Let's see.. its a large area with a parking lot where buses come east and west and head south, where they engage in transfers, where there's shelter, and an inside area with a bathroom. What do you want me to call it? A really nice bus stop?

There are scooters and shared bikes on the sidewalk outside. That makes the depot a multi-modal urban transportation hub to support transit-oriented, vibrant, mixed-use density in Chevy Chase!

Don't joke, I requested a bikeshare station from CaBi for that side of Conn Ave for that very reason!

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Anonymous wrote:The resolution passed 4-2.

names please

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Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

It's actualy 7/10 of a mile from the metro station. I don't get it...if you are within a mile of a metro station, then you are close to a metro station.

It's also across the street from a Bus Depot. That's mass transit too. Although you can be forgiven for forgetting that, since you're above riding on a bus.

That's not a bus depot. You would know that if you either lived in the area or took the bus.

Let's see.. its a large area with a parking lot where buses come east and west and head south, where they engage in transfers, where there's shelter, and an inside area with a bathroom. What do you want me to call it? A really nice bus stop?

And that's where you gave yourself away as someone that not only doesn't live in the area but also doesn't take the bus.

I take the L2 at Nebraska and Conn down to admo and back. I don't live in MD and I have no compelling reason to travel north of DC to there, so no reason to transfer to the MTA bus.

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Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

It's actualy 7/10 of a mile from the metro station. I don't get it...if you are within a mile of a metro station, then you are close to a metro station.

It's also across the street from a Bus Depot. That's mass transit too. Although you can be forgiven for forgetting that, since you're above riding on a bus.

That's not a bus depot. You would know that if you either lived in the area or took the bus.

Let's see.. its a large area with a parking lot where buses come east and west and head south, where they engage in transfers, where there's shelter, and an inside area with a bathroom. What do you want me to call it? A really nice bus stop?

And that's where you gave yourself away as someone that not only doesn't live in the area but also doesn't take the bus.

I take the L2 at Nebraska and Conn down to admo and back. I don't live in MD and I have no compelling reason to travel north of DC to there, so no reason to transfer to the MTA bus.

The only bus that goes there is the L2.

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Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

It's actualy 7/10 of a mile from the metro station. I don't get it...if you are within a mile of a metro station, then you are close to a metro station.

It's also across the street from a Bus Depot. That's mass transit too. Although you can be forgiven for forgetting that, since you're above riding on a bus.

That's not a bus depot. You would know that if you either lived in the area or took the bus.

Let's see.. its a large area with a parking lot where buses come east and west and head south, where they engage in transfers, where there's shelter, and an inside area with a bathroom. What do you want me to call it? A really nice bus stop?

And that's where you gave yourself away as someone that not only doesn't live in the area but also doesn't take the bus.

Yup. It will be hard to start Chevy Chase Smart Growth.

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Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

It's actualy 7/10 of a mile from the metro station. I don't get it...if you are within a mile of a metro station, then you are close to a metro station.

"Transit-oriented development" refers to development within a few blocks of a subway station. Mazza Gallerie is transit oriented development. Chevy Chase Community Center is not.

DOT defines it as within 1/2 mile of a transit center, which can include both subway and bus. True that this project would not meet that defintion. But we should be clear that it is not "a few blocks of a subway station"

Oh, in MoCo they are going to call the BRT stations “mass transit” and try to relax parking requirements (see Glass/Mink bill) and upzone with within a 1/4 mile of the stations. It’s going to be a cluster.

BRT literally is mass transit, and all 11 members of the County Council are co-sponsoring that bill.