Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment

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Anonymous wrote:These data https://ggwash.org/view/91763/historic-districts-may-be-preserving-racial-segregation-in-dc

These data https://ggwash.org/view/91763/historic-districts-may-be-preserving-racial-segregation-in-dc


Just a glance at that guy's Twitter account will tell you a lot. He's extremely obsessed with his idea that Ward 3 is too white, and with bike lanes. He also thinks that homeless should be allowed to create tent encampments wherever they want, and the council candidate he was cheering for was against adding more police to the police force.

https://twitter.com/BobWardDC/status/1529271823736655873
https://twitter.com/theBeauFinley/status/1522761701279649792

I've given up even engaging with people like that at this point. If you're in favor of tent cities and defunding the police, you're simply so far gone that it's going to be a waste of time to even try having a conversation.

That’s not entirely correct. The source of the "data" cited, with Cleveland Pk Smart Growth, is likely not a woke progressive. He was national pollster for Trump and has other strong ties to MAGA world. He backed an unsuccessful Ward-3 Council candidate because that candidate was staunchly pro-development as an ANC chair. His claims in GGW like “designating Chevy Chase, or parts of it, as historic could permanently prevent it from being meaningfully racially or economically integrated” are not credible and should not be taken at face value; instead, they appear as simply a calculated argument to sell up-zoning and dense development in Chevy Chase and Ward 3 to a DC audience.

Indeed. Always remember that the same group of people claimed that bike lanes would increase diversity. It's a group that is willing to say anything.

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Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

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3/4 of a mile if you want to be accurate. It isn't exactly a transit desert there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The PR efforts have been aggressive on this parcel. Most disturbing is that clergy have been manipulated .

If I was a member of any of the congregations or churches led by the signers of the op ed : Aaron Alexander (Adas Israel) Hannah Goldstein ( Temple Sinai), Ledlie I. Laughlin ( St Columba's) Rachel Livingston and Doug Robinson-Johnson ( National UMC) and Molly Blythe Teichert ( CCPC), I would be irate. Did they even ask their members or their Boards where they stood on this issue that is truly dividing the community ?? They signed a fake-lofty piece of strategic PR that commercial interests likely wrote and put in front of them. 

It’s shameful to squander one's well won credibility for a bunch of developers using them to bolster a land grab.  How dumb are they ? 
1. Do they know where their own members and Board stand on the issues?  Or did they poll their members ? 
2. They could easily have said they support the social justice efforts on racial covenants and affordable housing but explicitly abstain from commenting on the issue of whether to offer the public land to private interests. 
3. Was a back door deal done with any of them ? Were they promised a donation or some-such? Who wrote the op-Ed for them ? Are they willing to explain to their members exactly how this came about ? 

Amazing they didn’t know bringing in the clergy was literally the oldest trick in the book. It's not leadership to throw your name onto a PR piece that's being used for political purposes. I'm sure many many others wisely said no before this crew got seduced. 

I guess you forgot the parts of the new and old testaments about helping your fellow man. I guess you take the "Christianity" as portrayed by the likes of AG Paxton that is greedy and evil and be damned to anyone who dares to invade your white, male realm.

Sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

It's actualy 7/10 of a mile from the metro station. I don't get it...if you are within a mile of a metro station, then you are close to a metro station.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These data https://ggwash.org/view/91763/historic-districts-may-be-preserving-racial-segregation-in-dc

These data https://ggwash.org/view/91763/historic-districts-may-be-preserving-racial-segregation-in-dc


Just a glance at that guy's Twitter account will tell you a lot. He's extremely obsessed with his idea that Ward 3 is too white, and with bike lanes. He also thinks that homeless should be allowed to create tent encampments wherever they want, and the council candidate he was cheering for was against adding more police to the police force.

https://twitter.com/BobWardDC/status/1529271823736655873
https://twitter.com/theBeauFinley/status/1522761701279649792

I've given up even engaging with people like that at this point. If you're in favor of tent cities and defunding the police, you're simply so far gone that it's going to be a waste of time to even try having a conversation.

That’s not entirely correct. The source of the "data" cited, with Cleveland Pk Smart Growth, is likely not a woke progressive. He was national pollster for Trump and has other strong ties to MAGA world. He backed an unsuccessful Ward-3 Council candidate because that candidate was staunchly pro-development as an ANC chair. His claims in GGW like “designating Chevy Chase, or parts of it, as historic could permanently prevent it from being meaningfully racially or economically integrated” are not credible and should not be taken at face value; instead, they appear as simply a calculated argument to sell up-zoning and dense development in Chevy Chase and Ward 3 to a DC audience.

You sound lovely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:3/4 of a mile if you want to be accurate. It isn't exactly a transit desert there.

Don't forget the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

It's actualy 7/10 of a mile from the metro station. I don't get it...if you are within a mile of a metro station, then you are close to a metro station.

"Transit-oriented development" refers to development within a few blocks of a subway station. Mazza Gallerie is transit oriented development. Chevy Chase Community Center is not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

It's actualy 7/10 of a mile from the metro station. I don't get it...if you are within a mile of a metro station, then you are close to a metro station.

"Transit-oriented development" refers to development within a few blocks of a subway station. Mazza Gallerie is transit oriented development. Chevy Chase Community Center is not.

DOT defines it as within 1/2 mile of a transit center, which can include both subway and bus. True that this project would not meet that defintion. But we should be clear that it is not "a few blocks of a subway station"

[Anonymous]

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If I was a member of any of the congregations or churches led by the signers of the op ed : Aaron Alexander (Adas Israel) Hannah Goldstein ( Temple Sinai), Ledlie I. Laughlin ( St Columba's) Rachel Livingston and Doug Robinson-Johnson ( National UMC) and Molly Blythe Teichert ( CCPC), I would be irate. Did they even ask their members or their Boards where they stood on this issue that is truly dividing the community ?? They signed a fake-lofty piece of strategic PR that commercial interests likely wrote and put in front of them. 

 

But apparently you're not, so ... *shrug*

[Anonymous]

Does anyone have the link for the ANC meeting?

[Anonymous]

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Enhancing Community Services: The redevelopment could lead to an enhancement of community services. A new library combined with public housing facilities can create a space that benefits all residents, providing improved access to education, healthcare, and social services.

Isnt this like the wrap-around social services concept that was supposed to undergird the housing voucher program up and down Connecticut Avenue? How has that worked out? DC has done nada while crime has spiked. What assurances would the Chevy Chase community have that the promised glorious future will be any different?

There is a difference between affordable housing subsidies for the working middle class and section 8/voucher housing.
What is proposed for Chevy Chase is the former, not the latter.

Stop conflating the two. It will be an apartment building, not a facility that requires wraparound services.

Connecticut & Wisconsin are FULL of "apartment buildings" stuffed with voucher residents who require, but do not receive, wrap around services.

[Anonymous]

At meeting push for ALL units to be affordable housing. None at market rate.

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Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

It's actualy 7/10 of a mile from the metro station. I don't get it...if you are within a mile of a metro station, then you are close to a metro station.

"Transit-oriented development" refers to development within a few blocks of a subway station. Mazza Gallerie is transit oriented development. Chevy Chase Community Center is not.

DOT defines it as within 1/2 mile of a transit center, which can include both subway and bus. True that this project would not meet that defintion. But we should be clear that it is not "a few blocks of a subway station"

Oh, in MoCo they are going to call the BRT stations “mass transit” and try to relax parking requirements (see Glass/Mink bill) and upzone with within a 1/4 mile of the stations. It’s going to be a cluster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I always find funny about these “Ward 3 is white because of racism” folks is that they’re almost always white transplants who made the decision to move to ward 3. Ward 3 is white because that’s where white people like them decided to move, and then they cry that it’s racist that people like them decided to move there.

For instance, here’s Matt Frumin, who’s from Michigan:

“I’ve been saying this: Ward 3 came to look the way it did” — that is to say, White and rich — “because of exclusion based on intentional policies — exclusion and then segregation,” Frumin told me. “And we need intentional policies to remedy what happened in the past.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/31/making-dcs-ward-3-an-example-all-land/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_local

Frumin, the reason ward 3 is full of well-off white people like you is because that’s where you and other well-off white people like you decided to move to. You could have moved to any other neighborhood in the city if you thought white people moving to ward 3 was segregationist. But being a white person, moving to a neighborhood, and then acting like it’s a travesty when other white people do the same thing is idiotic.

(The article is funny too, because Frumin says ward 3 is white because of segregation, and then goes on to say that he thinks his black friend didn’t buy a house in Tenleytown because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people.)

You really miss the point. It is in the bolded. And also this from the article:

"Today, White households in D.C. have 81 times the wealth of Black households — with 1,500 households in the city worth more than $30 million, according to the DC Fiscal Policy Institute."

Nobody is claiming that a white person's choice to move to the neighborhood is segregationist. They are claiming that the fact that more people have the opportunity to move to that neighborhood is the result of intentional policies in the past. And the belief that intentional policies are required in the present to remedy that.

I’d love to live in Potomac, but I can’t afford to. What about me?

It's challenging to do smart transit-oriented development in Potomac.

Chevy Chase Rec Center is a mile from the metro station. This has nothing to do with "transit-oriented development".

It's actualy 7/10 of a mile from the metro station. I don't get it...if you are within a mile of a metro station, then you are close to a metro station.

It's also across the street from a Bus Depot. That's mass transit too. Although you can be forgiven for forgetting that, since you're above riding on a bus.