SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor

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So a lot more whites apply vs blacks because there are a lot more whites.

US population by race
White 59%
Hispanic 19%
Black 12%
Asian 6%

So you would expect matriculation rates at roughly these levels and yet, they aren't. The matriculation still over samples white students and under samples blacks and Asians.

Harvard is a bad example to base these type of things on. It’s a very small number of the total number of college students. Many top students do not even apply.

So 61,221 apply and 1,984 are admitted. 95% of those accepted have at a minimum 1540 sat, 35 act and 4.12 gpa. Over 1/2 of the applicants meet these numbers. This applicant pool is not representative of the US population- ie a higher percentage of whites and Asian; lower number blacks vs the general population. This exaggerates the statistics.

Looking at class make up Harvard
Black 15% in class/12% US population
Hispanic 12%/19%
Asian 28%/6%

So slightly over with blacks, sizable deficit with Hispanic(actually bigger given average age of Hispanic population vs US population) and Asian way way over represented.

Being admitted to Harvard is winning the lottery. No matter how you break down the admissions by race they will still turn away very qualified applicants. Harvard has a special program(Dean’s Interest List) for big donors who are admitted with much much lower scores. No one talks about it.

Harvard is private, does not have many students and should be able to do what they want in terms of admissions. Now the public colleges and universities is where this ruling will a large impact on continuing the historic economically disparities between the races.

Agree. Getting into Harvard, Yale or Stanford is like winning the lottery. Remember, the majority of Asian students or orgs did not support this. One of the reasons is that there are a lot of Asians who fight about this idea of being the "model minority".

Remember, you can have the greatest SAT scores and have that Harvard degree, but it is not necessarily going to help you get the opportunities that you want b/c whether you like to believe it or not, ALL people of color face barriers in the job market. You may say that that's not true in the STEM fields, but that is a small percentage of all jobs. You won the battle, but will lose the war.

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Asians’ low personality score was based on the perception that they’d study too much, be too quiet in class, would struggle to contribute to group and team work because of their docile natures, and probably couldn’t perform in leadership roles. That’s exactly what they received negative scores for *consistently*.


It is absolutely a racist stereotype that Asians are ‘typically’ the quiet kid in the back acing all of the math tests and never getting into trouble. They are great tonhsbe in the classroom…..bu not in any leadership positions because they’re ‘probably’ too quiet, etc.


What a disgusting racist trope. It’s just shocking an institution like Harvard promulgated this and has all sorts of racist supporters like this thread shows. This is EXACTLY why Asians continued to be denied positions of power in both the corporate world and government even though they do everything right snd often times far better than everyone else. Enough is enough. I’m glad Asians finally got pissed and are standing up for themselves.

It’s true though. They have been programmed by their parents to be docile and obey orders, not to counter authority and not to make their own decisions. This is cultural norm.

And what is wrong with raising kids who listen to their parents and defer to authority? Those kids become the citizens who form the bedrock of any functioning society. If you look at how to raise children, that is the ideal because parents are the primary teachers in a child's life, passing down tradition, morality, values. It's a modern fad to think that children should decide what they do in all areas of their life, that they somehow either have inherent passions or none. Asian parents for the most part, assume their kids are blank slates that can be formed by good parenting. Maybe the URM parents would do well to adopt this outlook rather than buy into the modern crap that keeps their communities down by teaching them that they either have it or they don't (in which case they need to rely on govt handouts and affirmative action).

Nobody wants to go to a college where half of the students are under intense parental pressure to get into Harvard Med School or be shunned by the family.

If you don't want to attend a school where half the students are hard working, then don't. It's a free country. But don't kid yourself that just because Asian parents push their kids hard that means the kids don't have their own thoughts and decisions. The younger the kid, the more guidance parents should have, with the goal to raise them to independent thinkers (because if kids are not influenced by parents, they will be influenced by something else, be it peers, social media, video games, etc and believe it or not, out of those possibilities, parents generally know best and have the best intentions). Do you honestly believe white liberal gen z'ers are independent thinkers? Because no one else does.

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Anonymous wrote:"No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

The 14th Amendment was not enforced by the Supreme Court for 90 years, and now it is being interpreted for the opposite purpose as its intent. It was meant to remedy the legacy of discrimination, but now it has been interpreted as protection for maintaining the discriminatory effect of that legacy.

Not even close. It is clear. Can’t pick or decide stuff on race. Any race. There is no other way to view it.

We will not get to a good place as a country if we make any decision based on race.

Only if you ignore reality and history and pretend that opportunities and resources for everyone have been equivalent up to the point of college application. Test scores alone do not measure merit. They measure the extent of years of preparation for the tests.

Yes and colleges can still look at socioeconomic factors and consider how the race has affected the applicant personally in their essays. What it has outlawed is preference based solely on the color of someone's skin. I have not seen one good support for why such a travesty and blatantly unconstitutional and unamerican practice should continue.

But that is what they were doing already. They weren’t using a racial formula. They were making individual decisions on individual applicants and factoring individual circumstances. The case and decision were based on racial formulas that didn’t exist.

Yeah no. Go actually read what Harvard was doing. They were not looking at Asians as individuals.

You know Harvard isn't normal, right?

You know Harvard is the subject of this case right?

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So a lot more whites apply vs blacks because there are a lot more whites.

US population by race
White 59%
Hispanic 19%
Black 12%
Asian 6%

So you would expect matriculation rates at roughly these levels and yet, they aren't. The matriculation still over samples white students and under samples blacks and Asians.

Harvard is a bad example to base these type of things on. It’s a very small number of the total number of college students. Many top students do not even apply.

So 61,221 apply and 1,984 are admitted. 95% of those accepted have at a minimum 1540 sat, 35 act and 4.12 gpa. Over 1/2 of the applicants meet these numbers. This applicant pool is not representative of the US population- ie a higher percentage of whites and Asian; lower number blacks vs the general population. This exaggerates the statistics.

Looking at class make up Harvard
Black 15% in class/12% US population
Hispanic 12%/19%
Asian 28%/6%

So slightly over with blacks, sizable deficit with Hispanic(actually bigger given average age of Hispanic population vs US population) and Asian way way over represented.

Being admitted to Harvard is winning the lottery. No matter how you break down the admissions by race they will still turn away very qualified applicants. Harvard has a special program(Dean’s Interest List) for big donors who are admitted with much much lower scores. No one talks about it.

Harvard is private, does not have many students and should be able to do what they want in terms of admissions. Now the public colleges and universities is where this ruling will a large impact on continuing the historic economically disparities between the races.

Agree. Getting into Harvard, Yale or Stanford is like winning the lottery. Remember, the majority of Asian students or orgs did not support this. One of the reasons is that there are a lot of Asians who fight about this idea of being the "model minority".

Remember, you can have the greatest SAT scores and have that Harvard degree, but it is not necessarily going to help you get the opportunities that you want b/c whether you like to believe it or not, ALL people of color face barriers in the job market. You may say that that's not true in the STEM fields, but that is a small percentage of all jobs. You won the battle, but will lose the war.

Pew Research disagrees:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/08/more-americans-disapprove-than-approve-of-colleges-considering-race-ethnicity-in-admissions-decisions/

About 52% of English speaking Asians disapprove of Affirmative Action compared to 37% that approve.

Asian Americans are also very aware of the bamboo ceiling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So a lot more whites apply vs blacks because there are a lot more whites.

US population by race
White 59%
Hispanic 19%
Black 12%
Asian 6%

So you would expect matriculation rates at roughly these levels and yet, they aren't. The matriculation still over samples white students and under samples blacks and Asians.

Harvard is a bad example to base these type of things on. It’s a very small number of the total number of college students. Many top students do not even apply.

So 61,221 apply and 1,984 are admitted. 95% of those accepted have at a minimum 1540 sat, 35 act and 4.12 gpa. Over 1/2 of the applicants meet these numbers. This applicant pool is not representative of the US population- ie a higher percentage of whites and Asian; lower number blacks vs the general population. This exaggerates the statistics.

Looking at class make up Harvard
Black 15% in class/12% US population
Hispanic 12%/19%
Asian 28%/6%

So slightly over with blacks, sizable deficit with Hispanic(actually bigger given average age of Hispanic population vs US population) and Asian way way over represented.

Being admitted to Harvard is winning the lottery. No matter how you break down the admissions by race they will still turn away very qualified applicants. Harvard has a special program(Dean’s Interest List) for big donors who are admitted with much much lower scores. No one talks about it.

Harvard is private, does not have many students and should be able to do what they want in terms of admissions. Now the public colleges and universities is where this ruling will a large impact on continuing the historic economically disparities between the races.

Agree. Getting into Harvard, Yale or Stanford is like winning the lottery. Remember, the majority of Asian students or orgs did not support this. One of the reasons is that there are a lot of Asians who fight about this idea of being the "model minority".

Remember, you can have the greatest SAT scores and have that Harvard degree, but it is not necessarily going to help you get the opportunities that you want b/c whether you like to believe it or not, ALL people of color face barriers in the job market. You may say that that's not true in the STEM fields, but that is a small percentage of all jobs. You won the battle, but will lose the war.

Pew Research disagrees:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/08/more-americans-disapprove-than-approve-of-colleges-considering-race-ethnicity-in-admissions-decisions/

About 52% of English speaking Asians disapprove of Affirmative Action compared to 37% that approve.

Asian Americans are also very aware of the bamboo ceiling.

First generation Asian Americans--or their parents--come from countries where university admission is based solely on performance on a university entrance exam. So it's easy to understand why AA doesn't make sense to them. (Many also come from countries that have blatant internal and external racism, but that's a whole 'nuther story.) They are not alone in thinking that. My Southern European relatives also have a university admission system based exclusively on performance on a university entrance exam. Other admissions criteria favored in this country like essays, extracurriculars, community service, participation in athletics, etc. are almost exclusively an American phenomenon. It's just a very different model of college admissions than pretty much anywhere else in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:Boy has time changed 44

Yes, we all agree with Obama. What is your point?

Ending Affirmative Action should not have happened. Tweaking it, sure.

Harvard had plenty of time to initiate the tweaking. They chose to not do it.

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A little weird tho that a private business CAN choose to DENY a customer because he/she is a member of a protected class, but a private university CANNOT choose to ACCEPT a customer because he/she is a member of a protected class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So a lot more whites apply vs blacks because there are a lot more whites.

US population by race
White 59%
Hispanic 19%
Black 12%
Asian 6%

So you would expect matriculation rates at roughly these levels and yet, they aren't. The matriculation still over samples white students and under samples blacks and Asians.

Harvard is a bad example to base these type of things on. It’s a very small number of the total number of college students. Many top students do not even apply.

So 61,221 apply and 1,984 are admitted. 95% of those accepted have at a minimum 1540 sat, 35 act and 4.12 gpa. Over 1/2 of the applicants meet these numbers. This applicant pool is not representative of the US population- ie a higher percentage of whites and Asian; lower number blacks vs the general population. This exaggerates the statistics.

Looking at class make up Harvard
Black 15% in class/12% US population
Hispanic 12%/19%
Asian 28%/6%

So slightly over with blacks, sizable deficit with Hispanic(actually bigger given average age of Hispanic population vs US population) and Asian way way over represented.

Being admitted to Harvard is winning the lottery. No matter how you break down the admissions by race they will still turn away very qualified applicants. Harvard has a special program(Dean’s Interest List) for big donors who are admitted with much much lower scores. No one talks about it.

Harvard is private, does not have many students and should be able to do what they want in terms of admissions. Now the public colleges and universities is where this ruling will a large impact on continuing the historic economically disparities between the races.

Asians posting here think all other groups aren’t worthy as they’re the superior race. They won’t be happy until every Asian who applies is admitted because all other students are admitted because they’re legacies or AA applicants. This is clear from the posts here.

What? no one's doing that. Working hard, staying out of trouble, not cheating/being unethical are all very positive attributes. Lots of loud mouth teens go on to accomplish very little in life - why? because they don't work hard at things, they're just loud and pushy, no substance.

And thank goodness we all hide the Jewish white people from non-Jewish white people.
20% of admits vs 3% of total population. same for lucrative career paths too.

[Anonymous]

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Why don't you look to see who is leading top US tech firms like NVIDIA, AMD, Microsoft, and Adobe?

I told you how they took over the tech in the US. Once one Indian has a foot in the door, they will bring onboard their friends and cousins and then they only hire Indians, then they promote each other to top positions.

This is how it happened in Silicon Valley. Ask anyone who works there. They know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So a lot more whites apply vs blacks because there are a lot more whites.

US population by race
White 59%
Hispanic 19%
Black 12%
Asian 6%

So you would expect matriculation rates at roughly these levels and yet, they aren't. The matriculation still over samples white students and under samples blacks and Asians.

Harvard is a bad example to base these type of things on. It’s a very small number of the total number of college students. Many top students do not even apply.

So 61,221 apply and 1,984 are admitted. 95% of those accepted have at a minimum 1540 sat, 35 act and 4.12 gpa. Over 1/2 of the applicants meet these numbers. This applicant pool is not representative of the US population- ie a higher percentage of whites and Asian; lower number blacks vs the general population. This exaggerates the statistics.

Looking at class make up Harvard
Black 15% in class/12% US population
Hispanic 12%/19%
Asian 28%/6%

So slightly over with blacks, sizable deficit with Hispanic(actually bigger given average age of Hispanic population vs US population) and Asian way way over represented.

Being admitted to Harvard is winning the lottery. No matter how you break down the admissions by race they will still turn away very qualified applicants. Harvard has a special program(Dean’s Interest List) for big donors who are admitted with much much lower scores. No one talks about it.

Harvard is private, does not have many students and should be able to do what they want in terms of admissions. Now the public colleges and universities is where this ruling will a large impact on continuing the historic economically disparities between the races.

Asians posting here think all other groups aren’t worthy as they’re the superior race. They won’t be happy until every Asian who applies is admitted because all other students are admitted because they’re legacies or AA applicants. This is clear from the posts here.

What? no one's doing that. Working hard, staying out of trouble, not cheating/being unethical are all very positive attributes. Lots of loud mouth teens go on to accomplish very little in life - why? because they don't work hard at things, they're just loud and pushy, no substance.


And thank goodness we all hide the Jewish white people from non-Jewish white people.
20% of admits vs 3% of total population. same for lucrative career paths too.

The dark side to the Asian cultural model of prioritizing academic and professional achievement ahead of everything else is the high rates of suicide in Asian young people here and abroad. I have a high performing white child, but I have always straight that they are not their grades/SAT score/salary. There has to be some balance. Life is stressful enough.

Asian American young adults are the only racial group with suicide as their leading cause of death, so why is no one talking about this?
https://theconversation.com/asian-american-young-adults-are-the-only-racial-group-with-suicide-as-their-leading-cause-of-death-so-why-is-no-one-talking-about-this-158030

Youth suicide: Asian teens crack down under growing family pressure
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Asia-Insight/Youth-suicide-Asian-teens-crack-under-growing-family-pressure

[Anonymous]

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Nobody wants to go to a college where half of the students are under intense parental pressure to get into Harvard Med School or be shunned by the family.

Nobody wants to be around kids who consider a B on a test a major failure and obsess about their grades and don’t have a life outside studying for next test, who have zero control over their lives and are under strict control by their parents who choose every activity and every friend for them. Nobody.

You want to turn Harvard into little India the way you turned TJ into tiger mom central? Well, they are not going to let you ruin the school.

[Anonymous]

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Why don't you look to see who is leading top US tech firms like NVIDIA, AMD, Microsoft, and Adobe?

I told you how they took over the tech in the US. Once one Indian has a foot in the door, they will bring onboard their friends and cousins and then they only hire Indians, then they promote each other to top positions.

This is how it happened in Silicon Valley. Ask anyone who works there. They know.

Oh for crying out loud. Don't act like white people don't do this. Have you ever heard of the good old boys club? Look at most government contracting companies in the DMV and tell me the white male holding a C-level position didn't bring in their friends for other C-level or leadership positions. I.see.it.all.the.time.

[Anonymous]

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So a lot more whites apply vs blacks because there are a lot more whites.

US population by race
White 59%
Hispanic 19%
Black 12%
Asian 6%

So you would expect matriculation rates at roughly these levels and yet, they aren't. The matriculation still over samples white students and under samples blacks and Asians.

Harvard is a bad example to base these type of things on. It’s a very small number of the total number of college students. Many top students do not even apply.

So 61,221 apply and 1,984 are admitted. 95% of those accepted have at a minimum 1540 sat, 35 act and 4.12 gpa. Over 1/2 of the applicants meet these numbers. This applicant pool is not representative of the US population- ie a higher percentage of whites and Asian; lower number blacks vs the general population. This exaggerates the statistics.

Looking at class make up Harvard
Black 15% in class/12% US population
Hispanic 12%/19%
Asian 28%/6%

So slightly over with blacks, sizable deficit with Hispanic(actually bigger given average age of Hispanic population vs US population) and Asian way way over represented.

Being admitted to Harvard is winning the lottery. No matter how you break down the admissions by race they will still turn away very qualified applicants. Harvard has a special program(Dean’s Interest List) for big donors who are admitted with much much lower scores. No one talks about it.

Harvard is private, does not have many students and should be able to do what they want in terms of admissions. Now the public colleges and universities is where this ruling will a large impact on continuing the historic economically disparities between the races.

Asians posting here think all other groups aren’t worthy as they’re the superior race. They won’t be happy until every Asian who applies is admitted because all other students are admitted because they’re legacies or AA applicants. This is clear from the posts here.

What? no one's doing that. Working hard, staying out of trouble, not cheating/being unethical are all very positive attributes. Lots of loud mouth teens go on to accomplish very little in life - why? because they don't work hard at things, they're just loud and pushy, no substance.


And thank goodness we all hide the Jewish white people from non-Jewish white people.
20% of admits vs 3% of total population. same for lucrative career paths too.

The dark side to the Asian cultural model of prioritizing academic and professional achievement ahead of everything else is the high rates of suicide in Asian young people here and abroad. I have a high performing white child, but I have always straight that they are not their grades/SAT score/salary. There has to be some balance. Life is stressful enough.

Asian American young adults are the only racial group with suicide as their leading cause of death, so why is no one talking about this?
https://theconversation.com/asian-american-young-adults-are-the-only-racial-group-with-suicide-as-their-leading-cause-of-death-so-why-is-no-one-talking-about-this-158030

Youth suicide: Asian teens crack down under growing family pressure
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Asia-Insight/Youth-suicide-Asian-teens-crack-under-growing-family-pressure

Asians have the lowest suicide rates of any race.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-02-09/suicide-rates-have-risen-among-people-of-color

Asians don’t have things like opioids and gun violence outpacing suicides.

[Anonymous]

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Asians’ low personality score was based on the perception that they’d study too much, be too quiet in class, would struggle to contribute to group and team work because of their docile natures, and probably couldn’t perform in leadership roles. That’s exactly what they received negative scores for *consistently*.


It is absolutely a racist stereotype that Asians are ‘typically’ the quiet kid in the back acing all of the math tests and never getting into trouble. They are great tonhsbe in the classroom…..bu not in any leadership positions because they’re ‘probably’ too quiet, etc.


What a disgusting racist trope. It’s just shocking an institution like Harvard promulgated this and has all sorts of racist supporters like this thread shows. This is EXACTLY why Asians continued to be denied positions of power in both the corporate world and government even though they do everything right snd often times far better than everyone else. Enough is enough. I’m glad Asians finally got pissed and are standing up for themselves.

It’s true though. They have been programmed by their parents to be docile and obey orders, not to counter authority and not to make their own decisions. This is cultural norm.

And what is wrong with raising kids who listen to their parents and defer to authority? Those kids become the citizens who form the bedrock of any functioning society. If you look at how to raise children, that is the ideal because parents are the primary teachers in a child's life, passing down tradition, morality, values. It's a modern fad to think that children should decide what they do in all areas of their life, that they somehow either have inherent passions or none. Asian parents for the most part, assume their kids are blank slates that can be formed by good parenting. Maybe the URM parents would do well to adopt this outlook rather than buy into the modern crap that keeps their communities down by teaching them that they either have it or they don't (in which case they need to rely on govt handouts and affirmative action).

Nobody wants to go to a college where half of the students are under intense parental pressure to get into Harvard Med School or be shunned by the family.

If you don't want to attend a school where half the students are hard working, then don't. It's a free country. But don't kid yourself that just because Asian parents push their kids hard that means the kids don't have their own thoughts and decisions. The younger the kid, the more guidance parents should have, with the goal to raise them to independent thinkers (because if kids are not influenced by parents, they will be influenced by something else, be it peers, social media, video games, etc and believe it or not, out of those possibilities, parents generally know best and have the best intentions). Do you honestly believe white liberal gen z'ers are independent thinkers? Because no one else does.

Nice straw man argument. Not what I said or meant. I know young Asian Americans who are successful but do not believe they are because their parents are disappointed that they aren’t more outstandingly brag-worthy. It’s brutal.