Another gunman, another elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.

BS. Don't be so naive. Politicians say "thoughts and prayers" because it's enough for their pathetic constituents, who are all to content to accept those toothless words over effective policies to end gun violence.

Condolences and prayers are NOT a policy. Stop conflating - stop with the pretending.

No one is saying they're the same. I'm saying that Republican voters are satisfied with thoughts and prayers from their politicians, and perfectly content to have Republican politicians do absolutely NOTHING policy-wise to prevent hundreds of kids being slaughtered by assault rifles legally purchased. Perfectly content, otherwise, why would they continue to vote for them?

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Anonymous wrote:Every thread on this is exactly the same with the exact same answers. I can’t believe op posted this as we all have cnn and this is 40 pages. You all say the exact same thing every single thread. Guess what? Nothing will change, and stop blaming the politicians. Blame America because someone had to vote them in. Vote them out in November is our only solution. Stop asking for stricter gun laws. News flash-It didn’t happen after Sandy hoook and it won’t happen now. You just repeat yourselves in every thread. Op starting a thread so she can say she got a 40 page thread started with the same BS......Stop vote it. Just vote. The politicians won’t hear you so stop wasting your breath

But but but GAS PRICES something something

Agreed, but I also think the power of our vote is pretty diluted given that half the people are okay with the current culture.
So it's clear - the folks who support gun ownership, abortion restrictions, and dislike minorities - it's not small. It's close to 50%.
The only thing that causes change in America is money, not votes.

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/343649/american-public-opinion-gun-violence.aspx

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I’m sending my kid abroad too.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sending my kid abroad too.

My kids have dual citizenship with the UK. Thank God!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.

BS. Don't be so naive. Politicians say "thoughts and prayers" because it's enough for their pathetic constituents, who are all to content to accept those toothless words over effective policies to end gun violence.

Condolences and prayers are NOT a policy. Stop conflating - stop with the pretending.

No one is saying they're the same. I'm saying that Republican voters are satisfied with thoughts and prayers from their politicians, and perfectly content to have Republican politicians do absolutely NOTHING policy-wise to prevent hundreds of kids being slaughtered by assault rifles legally purchased. Perfectly content, otherwise, why would they continue to vote for them?

That is false.

Republicans believe in added security measures at schools, but democrats oppose added security. Republicans often also advocate having a nuclear family, attending church or other place of worship, more consequences for felonious juvenile crimes, and a sense of personal responsibility for one's actions.

Others, by contrast, often advocate "dismantling the nuclear family," atheism, lesser punishments for felonious behavior, and blaming others or society as an external locus of control for their bad acts.

Atheism is not the reason for increased gun violence. Stop hiding behind religion. Get real.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.

BS. Don't be so naive. Politicians say "thoughts and prayers" because it's enough for their pathetic constituents, who are all to content to accept those toothless words over effective policies to end gun violence.

Condolences and prayers are NOT a policy. Stop conflating - stop with the pretending.

No one is saying they're the same. I'm saying that Republican voters are satisfied with thoughts and prayers from their politicians, and perfectly content to have Republican politicians do absolutely NOTHING policy-wise to prevent hundreds of kids being slaughtered by assault rifles legally purchased. Perfectly content, otherwise, why would they continue to vote for them?

That is false.

Republicans believe in added security measures at schools, but democrats oppose added security. Republicans often also advocate having a nuclear family, attending church or other place of worship, more consequences for felonious juvenile crimes, and a sense of personal responsibility for one's actions.

Others, by contrast, often advocate "dismantling the nuclear family," atheism, lesser punishments for felonious behavior, and blaming others or society as an external locus of control for their bad acts.

You know the Columbine shooters both came from upper class two parent families, right?

And no, democrats don't advocate dismantling families. What utter nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.

Prayers don’t do shit for dead kids.

You obviously aren't religious. Or classy. Sad.

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Did religion protect these kids? What use are prayers? Honestly. How do they help besides washing your own conscience clean?
- husband beating his wife and children (I'll pray for them but not provide resources for them or call the cops or give a card to contact a DV shelter)
- priests assulating kids (I'll pray for their souls and the healing for the kids but not raising hell when priests are protected vs being punished for their crimes)

Prayers are self serving.

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The "added security measures" Reoublicans want basically are just increases in the school to prison pipeline. Meanwhile neither the Sandy Hook shooter nor this shooter actually attended the school. But sure treating the students like criminals is the solution.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sending my kid abroad too.

My kids have dual citizenship with the UK. Thank God!

Go with them, please. We don't want you here.

You’re just jealous that the PP has the option to live in a developed country that actually cares about keeping its children safe

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.

BS. Don't be so naive. Politicians say "thoughts and prayers" because it's enough for their pathetic constituents, who are all to content to accept those toothless words over effective policies to end gun violence.

Condolences and prayers are NOT a policy. Stop conflating - stop with the pretending.

No one is saying they're the same. I'm saying that Republican voters are satisfied with thoughts and prayers from their politicians, and perfectly content to have Republican politicians do absolutely NOTHING policy-wise to prevent hundreds of kids being slaughtered by assault rifles legally purchased. Perfectly content, otherwise, why would they continue to vote for them?

That is false.

Republicans believe in added security measures at schools, but democrats oppose added security. Republicans often also advocate having a nuclear family, attending church or other place of worship, more consequences for felonious juvenile crimes, and a sense of personal responsibility for one's actions.

Others, by contrast, often advocate "dismantling the nuclear family," atheism, lesser punishments for felonious behavior, and blaming others or society as an external locus of control for their bad acts.

No republicans believe in killing 2nd and 3rd graders. Republicans could careless about families. We know who you are and you are not the hero or even decent people.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.

BS. Don't be so naive. Politicians say "thoughts and prayers" because it's enough for their pathetic constituents, who are all to content to accept those toothless words over effective policies to end gun violence.

Condolences and prayers are NOT a policy. Stop conflating - stop with the pretending.

No one is saying they're the same. I'm saying that Republican voters are satisfied with thoughts and prayers from their politicians, and perfectly content to have Republican politicians do absolutely NOTHING policy-wise to prevent hundreds of kids being slaughtered by assault rifles legally purchased. Perfectly content, otherwise, why would they continue to vote for them?

That is false.

Republicans believe in added security measures at schools, but democrats oppose added security. Republicans often also advocate having a nuclear family, attending church or other place of worship, more consequences for felonious juvenile crimes, and a sense of personal responsibility for one's actions.

Others, by contrast, often advocate "dismantling the nuclear family," atheism, lesser punishments for felonious behavior, and blaming others or society as an external locus of control for their bad acts.

Cool story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m sending my kid abroad too.

We took a posting overseas and one of the factors was seeing my poor kindergartener (at the time) do active shooter drills. Now we live in a country with no school shootings.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.

Prayers don’t do shit for dead kids.

You obviously aren't religious. Or classy. Sad.

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Did religion protect these kids? What use are prayers? Honestly. How do they help besides washing your own conscience clean?
- husband beating his wife and children (I'll pray for them but not provide resources for them or call the cops or give a card to contact a DV shelter)
- priests assulating kids (I'll pray for their souls and the healing for the kids but not raising hell when priests are protected vs being punished for their crimes)

Prayers are self serving.

I agree that for those of us who do not believe, talking to a sky santa does nothing to address serious situations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.

Prayers don’t do shit for dead kids.

You obviously aren't religious. Or classy. Sad.

.

Did religion protect these kids? What use are prayers? Honestly. How do they help besides washing your own conscience clean?
- husband beating his wife and children (I'll pray for them but not provide resources for them or call the cops or give a card to contact a DV shelter)
- priests assulating kids (I'll pray for their souls and the healing for the kids but not raising hell when priests are protected vs being punished for their crimes)

Prayers are self serving.

I agree that for those of us who do not believe, talking to a sky santa does nothing to address serious situations.

Meanwhile the Southern Baptist church covered up the rapes of children and made a big deal out of forgiving the rapists.

[Anonymous]

Don't call it "gun control." Call it "Massacre Reduction."

The idea of "gun control" died at Sandy Hook Elementary School along with 21 kindergartners and first graders (and 5 of their teachers.) In its wake, America collectively winced and said "Oh, that's terrrrrible..." and then... went along with business... as usual.

Bottom line: America said Sandy Hook was "tragic," but acceptable. The proof? Nothing changed.

So... the term "gun control" is a fiction. It does not exist and, in fact, the use of the term only helps to serve those who like things just as they are.

We submit the correct term, for laws that would seek to reduce mass shootings, is Massacre Reduction.

Re: reduction. You can't "eliminate" mass shootings in America. Too many guns, too many freaks. But, by reducing easy access to assault weapons, maybe there could be fewer massacres, each with fewer victims. (Don't worry, ammosexuals, America would still have plenty of mass shootings, just maybe a few less.)


Massacre Reduction tactics can be seen in laws like those passed in Australia in the wake of the 1996 Port Arthur mass shooting there (where a basement-swelling jerk-off malcontent decided to show the world how 'powerful' he was -- btw, isn't that nearly always the pattern?). They outlawed the future sale (as in from that moment forward) of assault weapons and high capacity clips (you know, the tools of the trade for the aspiring mass shooter.)

Take note: they did not "take back" firearms, from anyone. There was a voluntary buyback program.

The Australian federal govt. paid people (approx. $1,100 per gun) for any firearm they wished to turn in. A lot of people took them up on it. There have been no mass shootings in Australia in 25 years. America has had more than 300 in the first five months of this year.

But, let's be real. Nothing will change this time either. America is A-OK with mass shootings.

But at least we can use the right term for the wished-for improvement: not "gun control," but Massacre Reduction or, if you prefer, "Common Sense" Massacre Reduction.