APS mask policy

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Anonymous wrote:22207 is seeing quite the spike in covid cases. Nottingham is now leading the pack for the past seven days, and my kid said there were a lot of kids out today who were there last week. Williamsburg just got a bunch of new cases today that will hit the dashboard in the next day or two. Mask optional seems to be working out brilliantly!
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This is predictable given that 22207 is the home of the privileged antimask Covid deniers who have to get back to "normal."


This theory doesn't make any sense. If your description of 22207 were accurate, we would expect to see the 22207 schools with above-average case rates all through the pandemic because those families would have been engaged in higher-risk activities all along, but the data doesn't bear that out. For the pandemic as a whole, Yorktown is squarely in the middle between W-L and Wakefield, based on both total cases and relative to total student population. Hamm has the lowest case/student rate of the middle schools; Williamsburg is on the higher side, but clustered right with Gunston and Jefferson on a case/student basis. For the elementary schools, Discovery is above average on a case/student basis, but Nottingham, Jamestown and Taylor have been at or below average.

I can't tell you why there is a suddenly such a huge spike in cases in 22207, but the data does not support your theory.


Eh. Attitudes have been changing rapidly over the last few weeks and people who wore masks and took mandated precautions because they weren't rule breakers may feel more emboldened now that the mandates have dropped. If you look at the dashboard over the last 7 days for 22207 and the school breakdowns, Nottingham, Yorktown, Jamestown, and Williamsburg are all showing the highest number of cases across APS, in that order.


22207 and 22213 (far northwest corner with both Discovery, Tuckahoe kids) have the LEAST cases per 100,000 over the entire pandemic.



That’s probably why they are getting it now. They didn’t have natural immunity. So, makes come off, indoor play dates and birthday parties are on and kids get covid.
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Anonymous wrote:22207 is seeing quite the spike in covid cases. Nottingham is now leading the pack for the past seven days, and my kid said there were a lot of kids out today who were there last week. Williamsburg just got a bunch of new cases today that will hit the dashboard in the next day or two. Mask optional seems to be working out brilliantly!
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This is predictable given that 22207 is the home of the privileged antimask Covid deniers who have to get back to "normal."


This theory doesn't make any sense. If your description of 22207 were accurate, we would expect to see the 22207 schools with above-average case rates all through the pandemic because those families would have been engaged in higher-risk activities all along, but the data doesn't bear that out. For the pandemic as a whole, Yorktown is squarely in the middle between W-L and Wakefield, based on both total cases and relative to total student population. Hamm has the lowest case/student rate of the middle schools; Williamsburg is on the higher side, but clustered right with Gunston and Jefferson on a case/student basis. For the elementary schools, Discovery is above average on a case/student basis, but Nottingham, Jamestown and Taylor have been at or below average.

I can't tell you why there is a suddenly such a huge spike in cases in 22207, but the data does not support your theory.


Eh. Attitudes have been changing rapidly over the last few weeks and people who wore masks and took mandated precautions because they weren't rule breakers may feel more emboldened now that the mandates have dropped. If you look at the dashboard over the last 7 days for 22207 and the school breakdowns, Nottingham, Yorktown, Jamestown, and Williamsburg are all showing the highest number of cases across APS, in that order.


If that’s the case, and this is really about people who have been rule-followers all pandemic now skipping masks at schools because it’s no longer the rule, that’s a red flag that it may have been premature to remove the mask requirement now. APS’s hands are tied on that because the parental opt-out law makes it infeasible to enforce any mask requirements going forward. Youngkin and the Republicans in the General Assembly are fools.


Some people don't view the uptick in cases as a red flag or anything to feel overly concerned about. That's the disconnect that some posters are not getting. Some people are now thinking about getting and managing covid differently moving forward. Some people are okay with a low level of covid circulating. And yes, this is still a low level. I understand it makes some uncomfortable. Calling people fools is probably not helpful.

Also, there is still a legal case to be made that School Boards have the right to enforce mask mandates in their districts under VA constitution regardless of EOs and laws passed. This was part of their original case and I think is an issue still worth settling. I don't know if the School Boards will pursue this. However in general, around here I think an overwhelming majority of people will mask again when there are surges.

I can see that if you really don't want your child to get covid under any circumstance, this is all really unsettling and upsetting. If you were my friend in real life, I would tell you to find good quality KN95 masks and have your kids wear them well. Feel good about good weather and outside lunches, which APS has made a priority. And don't see anyone unmasked indoors. That's what you can do at this point.


Yes, people who don’t care about education will be unconcerned when 10% of a grade level misses nearly two full weeks of instruction due to a spike in case rates.


Seriously people. Calm the F down. 10 percent of grade level is not missing instruction This is not what's happening and there is no indication this is what will happen.

How can you keep up this level of hysteria?????


They don't want to ever have to admit they've been wrong for two years. Natural and very human overreaction.
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Anonymous wrote:22207 is seeing quite the spike in covid cases. Nottingham is now leading the pack for the past seven days, and my kid said there were a lot of kids out today who were there last week. Williamsburg just got a bunch of new cases today that will hit the dashboard in the next day or two. Mask optional seems to be working out brilliantly!
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This is predictable given that 22207 is the home of the privileged antimask Covid deniers who have to get back to "normal."


This theory doesn't make any sense. If your description of 22207 were accurate, we would expect to see the 22207 schools with above-average case rates all through the pandemic because those families would have been engaged in higher-risk activities all along, but the data doesn't bear that out. For the pandemic as a whole, Yorktown is squarely in the middle between W-L and Wakefield, based on both total cases and relative to total student population. Hamm has the lowest case/student rate of the middle schools; Williamsburg is on the higher side, but clustered right with Gunston and Jefferson on a case/student basis. For the elementary schools, Discovery is above average on a case/student basis, but Nottingham, Jamestown and Taylor have been at or below average.

I can't tell you why there is a suddenly such a huge spike in cases in 22207, but the data does not support your theory.


Eh. Attitudes have been changing rapidly over the last few weeks and people who wore masks and took mandated precautions because they weren't rule breakers may feel more emboldened now that the mandates have dropped. If you look at the dashboard over the last 7 days for 22207 and the school breakdowns, Nottingham, Yorktown, Jamestown, and Williamsburg are all showing the highest number of cases across APS, in that order.


If that’s the case, and this is really about people who have been rule-followers all pandemic now skipping masks at schools because it’s no longer the rule, that’s a red flag that it may have been premature to remove the mask requirement now. APS’s hands are tied on that because the parental opt-out law makes it infeasible to enforce any mask requirements going forward. Youngkin and the Republicans in the General Assembly are fools.


Some people don't view the uptick in cases as a red flag or anything to feel overly concerned about. That's the disconnect that some posters are not getting. Some people are now thinking about getting and managing covid differently moving forward. Some people are okay with a low level of covid circulating. And yes, this is still a low level. I understand it makes some uncomfortable. Calling people fools is probably not helpful.

Also, there is still a legal case to be made that School Boards have the right to enforce mask mandates in their districts under VA constitution regardless of EOs and laws passed. This was part of their original case and I think is an issue still worth settling. I don't know if the School Boards will pursue this. However in general, around here I think an overwhelming majority of people will mask again when there are surges.

I can see that if you really don't want your child to get covid under any circumstance, this is all really unsettling and upsetting. If you were my friend in real life, I would tell you to find good quality KN95 masks and have your kids wear them well. Feel good about good weather and outside lunches, which APS has made a priority. And don't see anyone unmasked indoors. That's what you can do at this point.


Yes, people who don’t care about education will be unconcerned when 10% of a grade level misses nearly two full weeks of instruction due to a spike in case rates.


Seriously people. Calm the F down. 10 percent of grade level is not missing instruction This is not what's happening and there is no indication this is what will happen.

How can you keep up this level of hysteria?????


You are correct that it isn’t 10%, but in one instance it is at least 9%. Does that makes you feel better?
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Anonymous wrote:22207 is seeing quite the spike in covid cases. Nottingham is now leading the pack for the past seven days, and my kid said there were a lot of kids out today who were there last week. Williamsburg just got a bunch of new cases today that will hit the dashboard in the next day or two. Mask optional seems to be working out brilliantly!
]

This is predictable given that 22207 is the home of the privileged antimask Covid deniers who have to get back to "normal."


This theory doesn't make any sense. If your description of 22207 were accurate, we would expect to see the 22207 schools with above-average case rates all through the pandemic because those families would have been engaged in higher-risk activities all along, but the data doesn't bear that out. For the pandemic as a whole, Yorktown is squarely in the middle between W-L and Wakefield, based on both total cases and relative to total student population. Hamm has the lowest case/student rate of the middle schools; Williamsburg is on the higher side, but clustered right with Gunston and Jefferson on a case/student basis. For the elementary schools, Discovery is above average on a case/student basis, but Nottingham, Jamestown and Taylor have been at or below average.

I can't tell you why there is a suddenly such a huge spike in cases in 22207, but the data does not support your theory.


Eh. Attitudes have been changing rapidly over the last few weeks and people who wore masks and took mandated precautions because they weren't rule breakers may feel more emboldened now that the mandates have dropped. If you look at the dashboard over the last 7 days for 22207 and the school breakdowns, Nottingham, Yorktown, Jamestown, and Williamsburg are all showing the highest number of cases across APS, in that order.


If that’s the case, and this is really about people who have been rule-followers all pandemic now skipping masks at schools because it’s no longer the rule, that’s a red flag that it may have been premature to remove the mask requirement now. APS’s hands are tied on that because the parental opt-out law makes it infeasible to enforce any mask requirements going forward. Youngkin and the Republicans in the General Assembly are fools.


Some people don't view the uptick in cases as a red flag or anything to feel overly concerned about. That's the disconnect that some posters are not getting. Some people are now thinking about getting and managing covid differently moving forward. Some people are okay with a low level of covid circulating. And yes, this is still a low level. I understand it makes some uncomfortable. Calling people fools is probably not helpful.

Also, there is still a legal case to be made that School Boards have the right to enforce mask mandates in their districts under VA constitution regardless of EOs and laws passed. This was part of their original case and I think is an issue still worth settling. I don't know if the School Boards will pursue this. However in general, around here I think an overwhelming majority of people will mask again when there are surges.

I can see that if you really don't want your child to get covid under any circumstance, this is all really unsettling and upsetting. If you were my friend in real life, I would tell you to find good quality KN95 masks and have your kids wear them well. Feel good about good weather and outside lunches, which APS has made a priority. And don't see anyone unmasked indoors. That's what you can do at this point.


Yes, people who don’t care about education will be unconcerned when 10% of a grade level misses nearly two full weeks of instruction due to a spike in case rates.


Seriously people. Calm the F down. 10 percent of grade level is not missing instruction This is not what's happening and there is no indication this is what will happen.

How can you keep up this level of hysteria?????


You are correct that it isn’t 10%, but in one instance it is at least 9%. Does that makes you feel better?


This is nothing compared to the January numbers. Schools had out 30 to 150 kids. You’re talking 9/10.
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Anonymous wrote:There you go! Of course you think it's invalid!!


Yes, just as I'd think an aeronautical engineer who thinks pigs can fly, I'd be skeptical of any research they have showing that pgis may fly. These people are huge Zero COVID advocates, which no serious scientist thinks is possible.

Meanwhile, gold standard randomized control trials (like that are used to approve medicines) show Long COVID is incredibly rare. So who to believe - a gold standard study or some crackpots who want the impossible to be true?



Just so we're all clear, the group you're disparaging is a group of scientists working together to provide independent scientific advice to the UK government and public on how to minimise deaths and support Britain’s recovery from the COVID-19 crisis.
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Anonymous wrote:22207 is seeing quite the spike in covid cases. Nottingham is now leading the pack for the past seven days, and my kid said there were a lot of kids out today who were there last week. Williamsburg just got a bunch of new cases today that will hit the dashboard in the next day or two. Mask optional seems to be working out brilliantly!
]

This is predictable given that 22207 is the home of the privileged antimask Covid deniers who have to get back to "normal."


This theory doesn't make any sense. If your description of 22207 were accurate, we would expect to see the 22207 schools with above-average case rates all through the pandemic because those families would have been engaged in higher-risk activities all along, but the data doesn't bear that out. For the pandemic as a whole, Yorktown is squarely in the middle between W-L and Wakefield, based on both total cases and relative to total student population. Hamm has the lowest case/student rate of the middle schools; Williamsburg is on the higher side, but clustered right with Gunston and Jefferson on a case/student basis. For the elementary schools, Discovery is above average on a case/student basis, but Nottingham, Jamestown and Taylor have been at or below average.

I can't tell you why there is a suddenly such a huge spike in cases in 22207, but the data does not support your theory.


Eh. Attitudes have been changing rapidly over the last few weeks and people who wore masks and took mandated precautions because they weren't rule breakers may feel more emboldened now that the mandates have dropped. If you look at the dashboard over the last 7 days for 22207 and the school breakdowns, Nottingham, Yorktown, Jamestown, and Williamsburg are all showing the highest number of cases across APS, in that order.


22207 and 22213 (far northwest corner with both Discovery, Tuckahoe kids) have the LEAST cases per 100,000 over the entire pandemic.



That’s probably why they are getting it now. They didn’t have natural immunity. So, makes come off, indoor play dates and birthday parties are on and kids get covid.


Yep and these are the schools where kids are unmasking in much greater numbers.
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Anonymous wrote:There you go! Of course you think it's invalid!!


Yes, just as I'd think an aeronautical engineer who thinks pigs can fly, I'd be skeptical of any research they have showing that pgis may fly. These people are huge Zero COVID advocates, which no serious scientist thinks is possible.

Meanwhile, gold standard randomized control trials (like that are used to approve medicines) show Long COVID is incredibly rare. So who to believe - a gold standard study or some crackpots who want the impossible to be true?



Just so we're all clear, the group you're disparaging is a group of scientists working together to provide independent scientific advice to the UK government and public on how to minimise deaths and support Britain’s recovery from the COVID-19 crisis.


Just so we're clear - absolutely, that's who I'm talking about. And they're not associated with the UK government - that's SAGE (whose models have also been notoriously wrong), this is Indpendent SAGE, an extreme pro-lockdown group. They are the UK equivalent of Eric Ding.

They were super pro school closures. That's disqualifying in and of itself. It's a policy that was proven to be so disastrously wrong, and the data was all there by September 2020. Anyone who supported such nonsense has 0 credibility.
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Anonymous wrote:There you go! Of course you think it's invalid!!


Yes, just as I'd think an aeronautical engineer who thinks pigs can fly, I'd be skeptical of any research they have showing that pgis may fly. These people are huge Zero COVID advocates, which no serious scientist thinks is possible.

Meanwhile, gold standard randomized control trials (like that are used to approve medicines) show Long COVID is incredibly rare. So who to believe - a gold standard study or some crackpots who want the impossible to be true?



Just so we're all clear, the group you're disparaging is a group of scientists working together to provide independent scientific advice to the UK government and public on how to minimise deaths and support Britain’s recovery from the COVID-19 crisis.


Just so we're clear - absolutely, that's who I'm talking about. And they're not associated with the UK government - that's SAGE (whose models have also been notoriously wrong), this is Indpendent SAGE, an extreme pro-lockdown group. They are the UK equivalent of Eric Ding.

They were super pro school closures. That's disqualifying in and of itself. It's a policy that was proven to be so disastrously wrong, and the data was all there by September 2020. Anyone who supported such nonsense has 0 credibility.


The overlap between the pro-closed schoolers and the forced child maskers is almost exact, internationally, nationally and even here in Arlington.
Anonymous
The anti mask brigade are bitter about all the so called injustices done to them
Anonymous
That does seem to be true.

I was glad when schools opened up and I also opposed the anti mask bill because it takes away all flexibility. And we're keeping our masks on for now.
Anonymous
Hearing that so many more kids and teachers are unmasked in just 2 weeks. Love to see those faces!

Even at the last school board meeting all of the School Board was unmasked (except Mary, whose sister has really bad cancer) and all but 1 of the APS executives.

The Democratic party nationally and Biden administration has ditched masks.

The forever maskers are going to have to start their own political party.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Hearing that so many more kids and teachers are unmasked in just 2 weeks. Love to see those faces!

Even at the last school board meeting all of the School Board was unmasked (except Mary, whose sister has really bad cancer) and all but 1 of the APS executives.

The Democratic party nationally and Biden administration has ditched masks.

The forever maskers are going to have to start their own political party.



Asia (where pretty much everyone is masked right now) is having a huge outbreak of COVID right now, likely larger ever than the United States. I guess they're just not masking hard enough.
Anonymous
B2 has doubled to ~22% of all cases in the last week, which is faster than the 2 weeks that experts had predicted it would take to double. Get ready.
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Anonymous wrote:22207 is seeing quite the spike in covid cases. Nottingham is now leading the pack for the past seven days, and my kid said there were a lot of kids out today who were there last week. Williamsburg just got a bunch of new cases today that will hit the dashboard in the next day or two. Mask optional seems to be working out brilliantly!
]

This is predictable given that 22207 is the home of the privileged antimask Covid deniers who have to get back to "normal."


This theory doesn't make any sense. If your description of 22207 were accurate, we would expect to see the 22207 schools with above-average case rates all through the pandemic because those families would have been engaged in higher-risk activities all along, but the data doesn't bear that out. For the pandemic as a whole, Yorktown is squarely in the middle between W-L and Wakefield, based on both total cases and relative to total student population. Hamm has the lowest case/student rate of the middle schools; Williamsburg is on the higher side, but clustered right with Gunston and Jefferson on a case/student basis. For the elementary schools, Discovery is above average on a case/student basis, but Nottingham, Jamestown and Taylor have been at or below average.

I can't tell you why there is a suddenly such a huge spike in cases in 22207, but the data does not support your theory.


Eh. Attitudes have been changing rapidly over the last few weeks and people who wore masks and took mandated precautions because they weren't rule breakers may feel more emboldened now that the mandates have dropped. If you look at the dashboard over the last 7 days for 22207 and the school breakdowns, Nottingham, Yorktown, Jamestown, and Williamsburg are all showing the highest number of cases across APS, in that order.


22207 and 22213 (far northwest corner with both Discovery, Tuckahoe kids) have the LEAST cases per 100,000 over the entire pandemic.



That’s probably why they are getting it now. They didn’t have natural immunity. So, makes come off, indoor play dates and birthday parties are on and kids get covid.


Yep and these are the schools where kids are unmasking in much greater numbers.


Do you have data to back that up, or is it pure speculation?
Anonymous
We are at Discovery where our child is one of the few still masking. We have had very few cases in the past 2 weeks, which I am thankful for.
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