FCPS comprehensive boundary review

[Anonymous]

These boundary changes are primarily about socioeconomic integration. That’s why wealthy areas like Great Falls and Oakton are being redrawn.

In 2007, the Supreme Court slapped down Seattle for race-based budding and forced integration. Since then, districts have taken a “socioeconomic balancing” approach. Here is an article from 2020 on the approach:

https://tcf.org/content/report/school-integration-america-looks-like-today/

That is what is happening here. It’s not about split feeders or attendance islands. It is remaking high school pyramids to achieve socioeconomic balancing.

[Anonymous]

I was curious and looked up a couple of those people. One of them has crude comments almost daily about Trump. "Nazi" type things and some vulgarity on her social media. Unhinged comments. Not run of the mill criticism. I don't understand how she can contribute anything that is level headed

PP here. And, I wasn't talking about Vanessa. Her social media is also pretty biased, but it doesn't have quite the unhinged statements of the other one.

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Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

It doesn't make sense to me either, but if they are really looking to move a whole elementary school out of WSHS, Hunt Valley is the only option. I think there are better ways to alleviate the "crowding" (which I'm not fully convinced of) at WSHS, but nonetheless, if a whole elementary is gonna go, it's gonna be HV.

You really aren't making any sense.

If you were arguing to move HV to South County or Keene Mill to Lewis, you might have credibility.

But arguing that Hunt Valley should be moved past 5 other WSHS zoned elementary schools all the way to Lewis completely destroys any argument you have.

Makes perfect sense. The farthest school from WSHS should move to Lewis . How does that not make sense. We need more kids at Lewis, not South County. Stop with this argument.

No it doesn't.

They are the farthest elementary school to Lewis.

The person who is insistent on this has argued it for months and says that the entirety of the HV boundary should be bussed to key and Lewis because they are out of walking zone to WSHS and Irving.

I am a HV parent and plan to move but I’m thinking SC.

But I also don’t trust or believe Reid and I’m sure she already has a plan and will do what she wants.

I actually believe it’s more that there are a few school board members (Sandy Anderson, St John Cunning, McDaniel) who want to stick it to certain schools. I’m thinking that Reid and other school board members are just negligent bystanders. Though Robyn Lady is likely looking to get a boost in her own property value.

I really believe that the SB member’s kids should all be required to move schools as part of this process. Since they don’t see any downside to the changes they should be fine with this.

Sandy Anderson is not looking to stick it to HV. If anything, she reassured the dozens of HV parents who contacted her after that fake news article published last Summer about HVES moving to Lewis. Her office created a statement to the effect of "Lewis is not the closest or second closest HS to HVES, and HVES is not the closest or second closest WSHS pyramid ES to Lewis, so it would not make sense to move it to Lewis."

Honestly don’t know why the HVES rumor started. It physically cannot be all of HVES.

Lewis has ~230 extra seats right now. HVES is the largest ES in the WSHS pyramid and contributes ~500 HS students to WSHS. They are not going to move 500 kids into 230 seats.

It’s that simple.

Lewis current enrollment - 1631
Lewis design capacity (CIP) - 2139

Room for 508 more students. The number you are using is Program Capacity (the one that gives you 230 available seats), but that can grow or shrink.

The design capacity was expanded in the 2005 timeframe at the same time they ended up moving out over three hundred students in the wake of South County opening. In the 2005 timeframe Lee had around 2100 students. So they expanded it and then immediately moved out students so that the expansion was wasted. But they can fix that now.

County did a similar thing with Springfield Estates. It was overcrowded because of the AAP program. They expanded it to hold all of those students, then turned around and opened another AAP center in the Edison pyramid and pulling students away from Springfield Estates, wasting the expansion. This county has been a terrible steward of our tax dollars.

My point is that moving the entirety of HVES is not feasible.

Adding 500 kids to Lewis puts it at 113% program capacity and 100% design capacity. Why set up overcrowding? They’re more likely to nibble at the edges. Or move a smaller, closer school like WSES.

Despite what some CIP report says there’s not room for 500 more students at Lewis. 200-250 maybe but not 500.

But that’s the problem when you have internet experts who’ve never actually set foot in the spaces in question, I guess.

I used to teach at Lewis in the mid-2000s when they were at their peak size of 2100+ kids for a few years, before the first boundary change to remove Daventry. Has something changed about the building? Did some wings get permanently closed off or converted? Lewis currently has 1630 kids, and has definitely held it's building capacity above 2100.

Many classrooms have been changed to offices, Leadership academy, interagency and other programs. They had to put all the theater costumes and supplies in shipping container outside because of lack of space.

Also the place is falling apart. It hasn’t had a substantial “renovation” since who knows when, cracks on the walls, buckled tiles, plumbing that’s as likely to squirt you as it is to work properly and when I was there last year I felt sick every day I was in the building and miraculously better when not in the building, but any mention of mold in the clearly dirty air vent got shut down immediately.

Tl;dr it’s not the mid-2000s anymore.

Annandale and McLean are older than Lewis and their next renovations should precede Lewis. Lewis shouldn’t leapfrog them in the next queue just because it might make the school more palatable to West Springfield families. All three got cheap “renovations” around 2005 that were far less extensive than the later renovations of schools built in the 1960s.

Honestly, sending some WS families to Lewis so they can experience those conditions first-hand might have a silver lining. Maybe then more people would object when dolts on the School Board like Karl Frisch want to waste $85 million on a new school in Dunn Loring for which there is no need - all while the needs of existing schools go unmet.

The people advocating using WSHS kids as pawns are coming up with crazier justifications.

The disdain for kids who just want to be left alone is unbelievable.

The point was slightly facetious but the reality is that a lot of folks at the schools that received top-of-the-line renovations are indifferent to the shitty conditions at schools like Lewis. They got theirs, so if morons like Frisch want to waste tens of millions on an unnecessary vanity project it’s water off their backs.

You've got to be kidding.

The clueless arogance of this post is unbelievable.

No one wants his stupid boondoggle waste of taxpayer dollars.

Throwing hate at other people who have nothing to do with Frisch is not a good look.

Bless your heart. But you know what? They are going to ram through these boundary changes just like they rammed through their approval of the Dunn Loring boondoggle unless people start to care about things even if they aren’t personally affected.

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Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

Most of it is actually closer to WSHS than Daventry and a lot of Keene Mill

That’s not true. Keene mill are walkers.

To WSHS?

Most of Keene Mill is miles away from WSHS.

It will be Hunt Valley. Sorry, Hunt Valley mom. All other schools are closer to WSHS and Irving. And Lewis can definitely absorb all of HVES.

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Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

Most of it is actually closer to WSHS than Daventry and a lot of Keene Mill

That’s not true. Keene mill are walkers.

To WSHS?

Most of Keene Mill is miles away from WSHS.

It will be Hunt Valley. Sorry, Hunt Valley mom. All other schools are closer to WSHS and Irving. And Lewis can definitely absorb all of HVES.

Love this troll who constantly reposts those same first two lines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These boundary changes are primarily about socioeconomic integration. That’s why wealthy areas like Great Falls and Oakton are being redrawn.

In 2007, the Supreme Court slapped down Seattle for race-based budding and forced integration. Since then, districts have taken a “socioeconomic balancing” approach. Here is an article from 2020 on the approach:

https://tcf.org/content/report/school-integration-america-looks-like-today/

That is what is happening here. It’s not about split feeders or attendance islands. It is remaking high school pyramids to achieve socioeconomic balancing.

But they’ve been fairly explicit that they want to eliminate attendance islands and reduce the number of split feeders, and in some instances it’s the islands that result in some socioeconomic diversity. Have they boxed themselves in?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These boundary changes are primarily about socioeconomic integration. That’s why wealthy areas like Great Falls and Oakton are being redrawn.

In 2007, the Supreme Court slapped down Seattle for race-based budding and forced integration. Since then, districts have taken a “socioeconomic balancing” approach. Here is an article from 2020 on the approach:

https://tcf.org/content/report/school-integration-america-looks-like-today/

That is what is happening here. It’s not about split feeders or attendance islands. It is remaking high school pyramids to achieve socioeconomic balancing.

But they’ve been fairly explicit that they want to eliminate attendance islands and reduce the number of split feeders, and in some instances it’s the islands that result in some socioeconomic diversity. Have they boxed themselves in?

No, this is where they hit us with the "bussing/transportation" line. They are selling us the 4 priorities (access to programming, transportation, proximity, overcrowding) so they can select whichever one works for socioeconomic balancing a given area.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These boundary changes are primarily about socioeconomic integration. That’s why wealthy areas like Great Falls and Oakton are being redrawn.

In 2007, the Supreme Court slapped down Seattle for race-based budding and forced integration. Since then, districts have taken a “socioeconomic balancing” approach. Here is an article from 2020 on the approach:

https://tcf.org/content/report/school-integration-america-looks-like-today/

That is what is happening here. It’s not about split feeders or attendance islands. It is remaking high school pyramids to achieve socioeconomic balancing.

But they’ve been fairly explicit that they want to eliminate attendance islands and reduce the number of split feeders, and in some instances it’s the islands that result in some socioeconomic diversity. Have they boxed themselves in?

No, this is where they hit us with the "bussing/transportation" line. They are selling us the 4 priorities (access to programming, transportation, proximity, overcrowding) so they can select whichever one works for socioeconomic balancing a given area.

Bingo.

But they have made a few mistakes along the way…enough that they should be wary of overplaying their hand. After all, those high SES areas are home to some very vested attorneys….

[Anonymous]

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I was curious and looked up a couple of those people. One of them has crude comments almost daily about Trump. "Nazi" type things and some vulgarity on her social media. Unhinged comments. Not run of the mill criticism. I don't understand how she can contribute anything that is level headed

PP here. And, I wasn't talking about Vanessa. Her social media is also pretty biased, but it doesn't have quite the unhinged statements of the other one.

It’s very biased and she is a complete sycophant when it comes to the School Board. The fact that they went out of their way to give her a seat on the BRAC tells you they want suck-ups to support them, not people challenging their assumptions or proposals.

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Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

Most of it is actually closer to WSHS than Daventry and a lot of Keene Mill

That’s not true. Keene mill are walkers.

To WSHS?

Most of Keene Mill is miles away from WSHS.

It will be Hunt Valley. Sorry, Hunt Valley mom. All other schools are closer to WSHS and Irving. And Lewis can definitely absorb all of HVES.

Love this troll who constantly reposts those same first two lines.

I understand that this is about WestSpringfield/Lewis. Last night, it was WaplesMill/Oakton. Regularly, it is about Langley/Herndon. Others also get in the mix occasionally.
Just wondering.....would it be wise to start separate threads on separate school issues? The one thing that is unifying here is that almost everyone likes it the way it is. Me Too! But, we usually aren't familiar with the issues on the other sides of the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At this point, I'd be all for them just erasing the boundary maps and starting all over. Keep it simple.

Literally what they began talking about in 2018/19 in their work sessions. It's the plan now, which is why it is a "comprehensive" boundary review.

Likely some schools will be affected only at the edges and others will have large chunks moved in and/or out.

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Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

Most of it is actually closer to WSHS than Daventry and a lot of Keene Mill

That’s not true. Keene mill are walkers.

To WSHS?

Most of Keene Mill is miles away from WSHS.

It will be Hunt Valley. Sorry, Hunt Valley mom. All other schools are closer to WSHS and Irving. And Lewis can definitely absorb all of HVES.

Love this troll who constantly reposts those same first two lines.

Ah, resort to name-calling. I guess that displaced aggression was too much for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, I'd be all for them just erasing the boundary maps and starting all over. Keep it simple.

Literally what they began talking about in 2018/19 in their work sessions. It's the plan now, which is why it is a "comprehensive" boundary review.

Likely some schools will be affected only at the edges and others will have large chunks moved in and/or out.

Exactly. And unfortunately, those that are shifted will feel targeted. Let the chips fall where they may.

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Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

Most of it is actually closer to WSHS than Daventry and a lot of Keene Mill

That’s not true. Keene mill are walkers.

To WSHS?

Most of Keene Mill is miles away from WSHS.

It will be Hunt Valley. Sorry, Hunt Valley mom. All other schools are closer to WSHS and Irving. And Lewis can definitely absorb all of HVES.

Love this troll who constantly reposts those same first two lines.

I understand that this is about WestSpringfield/Lewis. Last night, it was WaplesMill/Oakton. Regularly, it is about Langley/Herndon. Others also get in the mix occasionally.
Just wondering.....would it be wise to start separate threads on separate school issues? The one thing that is unifying here is that almost everyone likes it the way it is. Me Too! But, we usually aren't familiar with the issues on the other sides of the county.

Jeff has closed threads on potential boundary changes affecting specific schools. For now he seems to want to contain the posts to one thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, I'd be all for them just erasing the boundary maps and starting all over. Keep it simple.

Literally what they began talking about in 2018/19 in their work sessions. It's the plan now, which is why it is a "comprehensive" boundary review.

Likely some schools will be affected only at the edges and others will have large chunks moved in and/or out.

And it would be quite arbitrary, depending on whether you’d been lucky enough to be the beneficiary of FCPS’s recent largesse. That’s a reaction masquerading as a plan.