FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t care if my elementary school (or even just our neighborhood) gets shifted. Then all my child’s friends will be shifted too, so no community loss. We’ve owned the house for 10 years and have no intent to sell it for at least another 10 until he’s out of the house, so property values can do as they wish until then.

I would be frustrated if forced to shift mid high school, but anything else is (personally) fine with me. I realize everyone’s situation is very different, but I am choosing not to stress over it. It’s going to be okay.

There will be families that are forced to change elementary school, middle school, and high school - so much for the community loss.

There will be families with kids at 2 different high schools.

The older kid will be at one of the best high schools in the state.

The younger sibling will be at one of the lowest performing high schools in Virginia, with scores below the pre-covid accreditation threshold.

That happens sometimes. My cousins graduated in the 1970’s. They were two years apart - one aren’t to West Springfield and one to the newly opened Lake Braddock.

Siblings attending different high schools due to a newly opened school that is equivalent academically to the original school is VERY different than political "equity" rezoning using false enrollment projections from a very high performing school to one of the weakest schools in northern Virginia

Thanks, Langley poster. It becomes more convincing when you repeat the same thing for the 999th time (FYI, Herndon offers a ton of AP courses, too).

I was under the impression that the PP was referring to WS vs Lewis. Same situation yet you seem to take issue with only one group of parents. Interesting.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting civil war taking place now on the FairFACTS Matters page on FB between Langley parents who are trying to protect Langley's boundaries under the guise of doing what's best for everyone in the county and hard-core conservatives like Luke Rosiak who are vocally advocating for the group to adopt an anti-immigrant stance, vote for Republican candidates, pull their kids ASAP from FCPS, and advocate for vouchers and other private school subsidies.

Not surprisingly, the insurgents (Rosiak and his sympathizers) get the support of a lot of the local parents, who are already quite conservative and have been confused by statements from FairFACTS Matters leaders suggesting that FCPS should look at public-private partnerships in Detroit as a model. Great Falls residents aren't very used to seeing Detroit held out as a useful model for their community.

If he is just pointing out what we all know— that it’s democrats who oppose school choice, favor “surging” to the border and on the county level are the ones who began working on boundary policy with an “equal outcomes for all” aim, he’s not wrong.

That group is free to prioritize other school board values like standards-based grading (another policy designed to make outcomes equal), graphic books in school libraries and boys who feel like a girl today having access to spaces meant for females OVER and above keeping their community school.

What goes on in schools is way more important than which child/neighborhood goes to which building.

In the end, most of them are democrats and will come around to the school board’s way of thinking. You’ll see.

Here’s where we will see if the rich 🤑 liberals of Great Falls really have enough money to exit the school system.

They are reacting like the rich liberals of Martha’s Vineyard when the poor brown illegals whose arrival to America they supported actually showed up in their town.
They pouted and protested and paid good money to send them away (after they gave them some sandwiches and iced tea)

What about it, Great Falls? You have enough to buy your way out of the “problem” you helped create?

It doesn’t take Martha’s Vineyard money to rent an apartment in a different school district for a few years. In fact most of us paid more in daycare for our kids than that would cost.

It’ll crowd out other families who need that housing, but that’s the law of unintended consequences.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Where are the apartments in Langley’s district?

None yet, but that will change.

Pp swearing 100s of families are going to rent apartments to stay at Langley is pretty funny.

Well, for the mathematically challenged SJW, you just said that apartments will get moved to Langley. Unless they are apartments that are designated affordable housing, those will rent out somewhere around 2,000-2,500 per apartment. That’s 24,000 to 30,000 per year. Not a small amount of money, but less than 50-60k for elite private, and no application required.

Now, what will happen? Rents will go up pricing some LMC families out of the market and even if they don’t, these families would have to compete for those houses against Great Falls neighbors with likely higher income and credit scores. It’s no question who will get rented to. (No not because the landlords are racist, it’s just that a 750+ credit score and 200,000 per year beats 650+ and 50,000.

In summary, 24k - 30k will buy you entry into any public school that’s drivable, not even just Langley! Will everyone go this route? Surely not. But you are underestimating the willingness to pay 25k/30k for a desired school situation.

Nope. Once boundaries are changed from elementary to high school with the promise that they will be redone every five years, those people who can spare the extra tens of thousands will co op homeschool and go private.
Langley Madison Oakton McLean all the schools will be entirely new.

Renting makes sense if the boundary change is small and stable. Renting after a massive boundary change that entirely recomposes a school and that will change every few years is dumb (unless you are just really attached to the building itself).

And don’t think that the school board won’t be conducting residency checks if a school is suddenly overcrowded. Especially for Great Falls and McLean, who we all know they have deep affection for.

You think hundreds will actually rent, furnish and live in a 1,000 sq ft apartment Monday through Friday rather than stay comfortable in a 5,000 sq foot house with a backyard fire pit a short drive from Riverbend and send their kids private (or for the littles join up with other parents for co-ops)?

Nope.

If the county would do residency checks after initial enrollment we might not have such over enrollment issues at schools. I can guarantee there are people there now that don’t belong there. I think it’s very easy to cheaply furnish an apartment for whatever residency check you think the county will have time to make

No one is doing residency checks. We provided proof when enrolling in K and nothing since. My kids are teenagers. I doubt anyone talking about renting an apartment is planning on living in it.

Lying on the residency attestation form is a class 4 misdemeanor. Sounds scary. Look it up - max punishment is a $250 fine.

No one is going to risk a $250 fine for their kids education, right?

Also, residency is a notoriously slippery concept. It’s not easy to disprove residency.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting civil war taking place now on the FairFACTS Matters page on FB between Langley parents who are trying to protect Langley's boundaries under the guise of doing what's best for everyone in the county and hard-core conservatives like Luke Rosiak who are vocally advocating for the group to adopt an anti-immigrant stance, vote for Republican candidates, pull their kids ASAP from FCPS, and advocate for vouchers and other private school subsidies.

Not surprisingly, the insurgents (Rosiak and his sympathizers) get the support of a lot of the local parents, who are already quite conservative and have been confused by statements from FairFACTS Matters leaders suggesting that FCPS should look at public-private partnerships in Detroit as a model. Great Falls residents aren't very used to seeing Detroit held out as a useful model for their community.

If he is just pointing out what we all know— that it’s democrats who oppose school choice, favor “surging” to the border and on the county level are the ones who began working on boundary policy with an “equal outcomes for all” aim, he’s not wrong.

That group is free to prioritize other school board values like standards-based grading (another policy designed to make outcomes equal), graphic books in school libraries and boys who feel like a girl today having access to spaces meant for females OVER and above keeping their community school.

What goes on in schools is way more important than which child/neighborhood goes to which building.

In the end, most of them are democrats and will come around to the school board’s way of thinking. You’ll see.

Here’s where we will see if the rich 🤑 liberals of Great Falls really have enough money to exit the school system.

They are reacting like the rich liberals of Martha’s Vineyard when the poor brown illegals whose arrival to America they supported actually showed up in their town.
They pouted and protested and paid good money to send them away (after they gave them some sandwiches and iced tea)

What about it, Great Falls? You have enough to buy your way out of the “problem” you helped create?

It doesn’t take Martha’s Vineyard money to rent an apartment in a different school district for a few years. In fact most of us paid more in daycare for our kids than that would cost.

It’ll crowd out other families who need that housing, but that’s the law of unintended consequences.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Where are the apartments in Langley’s district?

None yet, but that will change.

Pp swearing 100s of families are going to rent apartments to stay at Langley is pretty funny.

Well, for the mathematically challenged SJW, you just said that apartments will get moved to Langley. Unless they are apartments that are designated affordable housing, those will rent out somewhere around 2,000-2,500 per apartment. That’s 24,000 to 30,000 per year. Not a small amount of money, but less than 50-60k for elite private, and no application required.

Now, what will happen? Rents will go up pricing some LMC families out of the market and even if they don’t, these families would have to compete for those houses against Great Falls neighbors with likely higher income and credit scores. It’s no question who will get rented to. (No not because the landlords are racist, it’s just that a 750+ credit score and 200,000 per year beats 650+ and 50,000.

In summary, 24k - 30k will buy you entry into any public school that’s drivable, not even just Langley! Will everyone go this route? Surely not. But you are underestimating the willingness to pay 25k/30k for a desired school situation.

Nope. Once boundaries are changed from elementary to high school with the promise that they will be redone every five years, those people who can spare the extra tens of thousands will co op homeschool and go private.
Langley Madison Oakton McLean all the schools will be entirely new.

Renting makes sense if the boundary change is small and stable. Renting after a massive boundary change that entirely recomposes a school and that will change every few years is dumb (unless you are just really attached to the building itself).

And don’t think that the school board won’t be conducting residency checks if a school is suddenly overcrowded. Especially for Great Falls and McLean, who we all know they have deep affection for.

You think hundreds will actually rent, furnish and live in a 1,000 sq ft apartment Monday through Friday rather than stay comfortable in a 5,000 sq foot house with a backyard fire pit a short drive from Riverbend and send their kids private (or for the littles join up with other parents for co-ops)?

Nope.

If the county would do residency checks after initial enrollment we might not have such over enrollment issues at schools. I can guarantee there are people there now that don’t belong there. I think it’s very easy to cheaply furnish an apartment for whatever residency check you think the county will have time to make

No one is doing residency checks. We provided proof when enrolling in K and nothing since. My kids are teenagers. I doubt anyone talking about renting an apartment is planning on living in it.

Lying on the residency attestation form is a class 4 misdemeanor. Sounds scary. Look it up - max punishment is a $250 fine.

No one is going to risk a $250 fine for their kids education, right?

Also, residency is a notoriously slippery concept. It’s not easy to disprove residency.

Seriously? These are the values Langley parents want to teach their kids? It’s OK to break the law as long as you might not be detected and we can afford the fine?

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Anonymous wrote:Can we back to the basics? What is the timeline for these boundary changes?

Fall 2025 is the school board's stated goal.

They have mentioned this timeline at multiple work sessions.

If you have a high school student in the class of 2027 or 2028 (current rising sophomores and freshmen) you need to be VERY concerned, especially if you are not within the walk zone to your high school.

The school board has mentioned this timeline, and minimal grandfathering of high school students many times.

When someone gives you insight to their plans, believe them.

When a politician lies by omission, hiding their true plans during their campaigns so they can get elected, expect nothing less from them than a complete disregard for constituents when they are in power.

If they prioritized student's well being, they would allow grandfathering for all enrolled high school students.

If they prioritized educational quality for the kids in failing schools like Lewis, they would have removed IB a long time ago and looked for real solutions, that do not require disrupting a bunch of kids to hopefully hide the failures without actually fixing the problems.

If they valued constituents, they would not have voted for a plan that concentrates power affecting student well being, communities, and housing values, with a single, unelected, overpaid bureaucrat, to try to remove the responsibility of elected officials to their voters in their district.

If the Springfield district representative was actually representing the will of her actual voters, she would have either come out strongly against the rezoning plan, OR very strongly in support of extensive grandfathering of high school students.

She did neither, so she is clearly not performing her duties to represent her constituents.

Please vote better in 2027. Ultimately, this is the outcome of voting choices made by the voters in our county, not just for school board but also for the board of supervisors that gerrymandered 22152 and the Springfield district to try to get rid of the last moderate politician in all of Northern Virginia. If you get rezoned, and voted blue no matter who, this is the policies you support being put into action.

Reid is the one will be driving this bus. She had said a company will study it and they will take 18 months. So that would be fall 2026.

Do we think that in 1 year they will have boundaries redrawn?

You think 🤔 that with computer modeling, other forms of A.I and the general ideas they clearly already have that they couldn’t get this done in a year? 🤣
Facilities could do it themselves and certainly a consultant can.
Expect your “listening sessions” early in the spring and your final boundaries around June.

The board members will look at them and then there will be time for tinkering around the edges to protect this community or that. This particular battle has only just begun.

Protect from what?

Come on, the board members don’t all believe in equity rezoning. Some are true believers and some are asleep at the wheel. But others will be able to be convinced to change a neighborhood here or there to give them a better deal. Or to nakedly protect their own neighborhoods, to keep them at the current schools or reassign them to the “better” ones. Some board members have higher political ambitions. There will 100% be back door wheelings and dealings.

You didn't answer the question. Is there danger? Why the need to protect?

DP. Ask Karen Corbett Sanders and Matt Dunne.

The correlation between the recent expansion of West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when there was space at Mount Vernon and the answer to your question should be roughly 100%.

[That having been accomplished, Dunne - Corbett-Sanders' hand-picked successor - is all about saving money and not investing in facilities anywhere else.]

Be honest. Why are you unwilling to say what the danger is?

THE DANGER IS BEING ASSIGNED TO A LESSER PERFORMING SCHOOL YOU DERP. The same thing people have been fighting about for the last 400 pages. Try to keep up!

Why is this a danger to high performing UMC kids?

I think you’re sealioning, first of all. But:

1) Moving schools in the middle of HS means that you lose out on the leadership opportunities you may have had at your former HS, had you been allowed to stay there. This is particularly bad for juniors and possibly sophomores. There has been at least one poster on here who said she would send a rising 9th grader to Lewis with other kids from the neighborhood if need be, but sending a junior to another school for 2 years is hugely disruptive. There needs to be grandfathering, even if WSHS kids need to find their own transportation. Fortunately their boundaries are compact to the point that a kid could likely bike from the southern end of the boundary to WSHS.

2) The SB has not guaranteed classes that would be available at Lewis vs. WSHS. A kid on the highest math track could end up simply not having classes to take as a senior, and would end up less prepared for college than if they had been at WSHS all 4 years. I also don’t know if Lewis is all AP at this point or if they’re still partially holding on to IB. Whereas WSHS is all AP.

3) they aren’t reporting any of this anymore, but the last school year that had safety and security data accurately reported for the full SY was 2018-2019. WSHS had 87 safety offenses and 0 weapons offenses. Lewis had 238 safety offenses, with a smaller student population, and 3 weapons offenses - and 7 in SY 2019-2020 which was cut short due to Covid!

4) You can’t say that every WSHS kid is from a nice graduate educated $300k+ income family and will immediately go to another school and be a shining star. There are lots of kids who are kept on the fairly straight and narrow just by having a largely good peer group.

Hopefully reassigned families can encourage their kids to become leaders in the new school, push for more AP and demand safe schools.

So why should a couple dozen teenagers from another school be bussed in and tasked to fix the problems that you and the other parents whose kids are zoned for that school were unable to fix?

If you, an adult parent at that school, and the other parents at that school, can't fix the problems, why should it be the responsibility of a group of teenagers who belong at their original school?

Interesting word choice.

DP. I just read this to mean “deserve to attend” the HS they were already attending or expected to attend.

Enough with the constant insinuations - it just makes you and the School Board members you are shilling for look like nut jobs.

All FCPS schools should be equal. Clearly they are not given the panic on here about redistricting. If schools are not equal then the board should correct the problem. In other words, high SES kids are not entitled to better public schools than low SES kids.

Agreed. But I think it's fair to recognize that some parents have real concerns about the numbers below. Is it wrong to want to avoid these kinds of problems for your kids? I don't think so. Like you said, what is being done to address these problems? I don't think it's controversial to be concerned about this.

VDOE School Profile pages show this information about the learning climate

Langley:
Behaviors that Impede Academic Progress - 8
Behaviors related to School Operations - 22
Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm - 19
Behaviors of a Safety Concern - 31
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others - 21

Herndon:
Behaviors that Impede Academic Progress - 506
Behaviors related to School Operations - 496
Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm - 375
Behaviors of a Safety Concern - 204
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others - 36

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Anonymous wrote:Can we back to the basics? What is the timeline for these boundary changes?

Fall 2025 is the school board's stated goal.

They have mentioned this timeline at multiple work sessions.

If you have a high school student in the class of 2027 or 2028 (current rising sophomores and freshmen) you need to be VERY concerned, especially if you are not within the walk zone to your high school.

The school board has mentioned this timeline, and minimal grandfathering of high school students many times.

When someone gives you insight to their plans, believe them.

When a politician lies by omission, hiding their true plans during their campaigns so they can get elected, expect nothing less from them than a complete disregard for constituents when they are in power.

If they prioritized student's well being, they would allow grandfathering for all enrolled high school students.

If they prioritized educational quality for the kids in failing schools like Lewis, they would have removed IB a long time ago and looked for real solutions, that do not require disrupting a bunch of kids to hopefully hide the failures without actually fixing the problems.

If they valued constituents, they would not have voted for a plan that concentrates power affecting student well being, communities, and housing values, with a single, unelected, overpaid bureaucrat, to try to remove the responsibility of elected officials to their voters in their district.

If the Springfield district representative was actually representing the will of her actual voters, she would have either come out strongly against the rezoning plan, OR very strongly in support of extensive grandfathering of high school students.

She did neither, so she is clearly not performing her duties to represent her constituents.

Please vote better in 2027. Ultimately, this is the outcome of voting choices made by the voters in our county, not just for school board but also for the board of supervisors that gerrymandered 22152 and the Springfield district to try to get rid of the last moderate politician in all of Northern Virginia. If you get rezoned, and voted blue no matter who, this is the policies you support being put into action.

Reid is the one will be driving this bus. She had said a company will study it and they will take 18 months. So that would be fall 2026.

Do we think that in 1 year they will have boundaries redrawn?

You think 🤔 that with computer modeling, other forms of A.I and the general ideas they clearly already have that they couldn’t get this done in a year? 🤣
Facilities could do it themselves and certainly a consultant can.
Expect your “listening sessions” early in the spring and your final boundaries around June.

The board members will look at them and then there will be time for tinkering around the edges to protect this community or that. This particular battle has only just begun.

Protect from what?

Come on, the board members don’t all believe in equity rezoning. Some are true believers and some are asleep at the wheel. But others will be able to be convinced to change a neighborhood here or there to give them a better deal. Or to nakedly protect their own neighborhoods, to keep them at the current schools or reassign them to the “better” ones. Some board members have higher political ambitions. There will 100% be back door wheelings and dealings.

You didn't answer the question. Is there danger? Why the need to protect?

DP. Ask Karen Corbett Sanders and Matt Dunne.

The correlation between the recent expansion of West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when there was space at Mount Vernon and the answer to your question should be roughly 100%.

[That having been accomplished, Dunne - Corbett-Sanders' hand-picked successor - is all about saving money and not investing in facilities anywhere else.]

Be honest. Why are you unwilling to say what the danger is?

THE DANGER IS BEING ASSIGNED TO A LESSER PERFORMING SCHOOL YOU DERP. The same thing people have been fighting about for the last 400 pages. Try to keep up!

Why is this a danger to high performing UMC kids?

I think you’re sealioning, first of all. But:

1) Moving schools in the middle of HS means that you lose out on the leadership opportunities you may have had at your former HS, had you been allowed to stay there. This is particularly bad for juniors and possibly sophomores. There has been at least one poster on here who said she would send a rising 9th grader to Lewis with other kids from the neighborhood if need be, but sending a junior to another school for 2 years is hugely disruptive. There needs to be grandfathering, even if WSHS kids need to find their own transportation. Fortunately their boundaries are compact to the point that a kid could likely bike from the southern end of the boundary to WSHS.

2) The SB has not guaranteed classes that would be available at Lewis vs. WSHS. A kid on the highest math track could end up simply not having classes to take as a senior, and would end up less prepared for college than if they had been at WSHS all 4 years. I also don’t know if Lewis is all AP at this point or if they’re still partially holding on to IB. Whereas WSHS is all AP.

3) they aren’t reporting any of this anymore, but the last school year that had safety and security data accurately reported for the full SY was 2018-2019. WSHS had 87 safety offenses and 0 weapons offenses. Lewis had 238 safety offenses, with a smaller student population, and 3 weapons offenses - and 7 in SY 2019-2020 which was cut short due to Covid!

4) You can’t say that every WSHS kid is from a nice graduate educated $300k+ income family and will immediately go to another school and be a shining star. There are lots of kids who are kept on the fairly straight and narrow just by having a largely good peer group.

Hopefully reassigned families can encourage their kids to become leaders in the new school, push for more AP and demand safe schools.

So why should a couple dozen teenagers from another school be bussed in and tasked to fix the problems that you and the other parents whose kids are zoned for that school were unable to fix?

If you, an adult parent at that school, and the other parents at that school, can't fix the problems, why should it be the responsibility of a group of teenagers who belong at their original school?

Interesting word choice.

DP. I just read this to mean “deserve to attend” the HS they were already attending or expected to attend.

Enough with the constant insinuations - it just makes you and the School Board members you are shilling for look like nut jobs.

All FCPS schools should be equal. Clearly they are not given the panic on here about redistricting. If schools are not equal then the board should correct the problem. In other words, high SES kids are not entitled to better public schools than low SES kids.

I don’t think anyone is saying they are. What people are saying is you shouldn’t use high SES to fix problems at lower SES schools. That’s the reason for this move. FCPS isn’t trying to help the students who need it. Just move kids to raise the optics and test scores etc that the school is improving. The kids who are struggling there will no magically pass SOLs or whatever because Johnny and Sally moved in. Nor will these kids affect the chronic absenteeism. Dr Reid thinks if kids at schools with high absenteeism see kids going to school regularly they may want to also. Not sure that’s how it works

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Anonymous wrote:Can we back to the basics? What is the timeline for these boundary changes?

Fall 2025 is the school board's stated goal.

They have mentioned this timeline at multiple work sessions.

If you have a high school student in the class of 2027 or 2028 (current rising sophomores and freshmen) you need to be VERY concerned, especially if you are not within the walk zone to your high school.

The school board has mentioned this timeline, and minimal grandfathering of high school students many times.

When someone gives you insight to their plans, believe them.

When a politician lies by omission, hiding their true plans during their campaigns so they can get elected, expect nothing less from them than a complete disregard for constituents when they are in power.

If they prioritized student's well being, they would allow grandfathering for all enrolled high school students.

If they prioritized educational quality for the kids in failing schools like Lewis, they would have removed IB a long time ago and looked for real solutions, that do not require disrupting a bunch of kids to hopefully hide the failures without actually fixing the problems.

If they valued constituents, they would not have voted for a plan that concentrates power affecting student well being, communities, and housing values, with a single, unelected, overpaid bureaucrat, to try to remove the responsibility of elected officials to their voters in their district.

If the Springfield district representative was actually representing the will of her actual voters, she would have either come out strongly against the rezoning plan, OR very strongly in support of extensive grandfathering of high school students.

She did neither, so she is clearly not performing her duties to represent her constituents.

Please vote better in 2027. Ultimately, this is the outcome of voting choices made by the voters in our county, not just for school board but also for the board of supervisors that gerrymandered 22152 and the Springfield district to try to get rid of the last moderate politician in all of Northern Virginia. If you get rezoned, and voted blue no matter who, this is the policies you support being put into action.

Reid is the one will be driving this bus. She had said a company will study it and they will take 18 months. So that would be fall 2026.

Do we think that in 1 year they will have boundaries redrawn?

You think 🤔 that with computer modeling, other forms of A.I and the general ideas they clearly already have that they couldn’t get this done in a year? 🤣
Facilities could do it themselves and certainly a consultant can.
Expect your “listening sessions” early in the spring and your final boundaries around June.

The board members will look at them and then there will be time for tinkering around the edges to protect this community or that. This particular battle has only just begun.

Protect from what?

Come on, the board members don’t all believe in equity rezoning. Some are true believers and some are asleep at the wheel. But others will be able to be convinced to change a neighborhood here or there to give them a better deal. Or to nakedly protect their own neighborhoods, to keep them at the current schools or reassign them to the “better” ones. Some board members have higher political ambitions. There will 100% be back door wheelings and dealings.

You didn't answer the question. Is there danger? Why the need to protect?

DP. Ask Karen Corbett Sanders and Matt Dunne.

The correlation between the recent expansion of West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when there was space at Mount Vernon and the answer to your question should be roughly 100%.

[That having been accomplished, Dunne - Corbett-Sanders' hand-picked successor - is all about saving money and not investing in facilities anywhere else.]

Be honest. Why are you unwilling to say what the danger is?

THE DANGER IS BEING ASSIGNED TO A LESSER PERFORMING SCHOOL YOU DERP. The same thing people have been fighting about for the last 400 pages. Try to keep up!

Why is this a danger to high performing UMC kids?

I think you’re sealioning, first of all. But:

1) Moving schools in the middle of HS means that you lose out on the leadership opportunities you may have had at your former HS, had you been allowed to stay there. This is particularly bad for juniors and possibly sophomores. There has been at least one poster on here who said she would send a rising 9th grader to Lewis with other kids from the neighborhood if need be, but sending a junior to another school for 2 years is hugely disruptive. There needs to be grandfathering, even if WSHS kids need to find their own transportation. Fortunately their boundaries are compact to the point that a kid could likely bike from the southern end of the boundary to WSHS.

2) The SB has not guaranteed classes that would be available at Lewis vs. WSHS. A kid on the highest math track could end up simply not having classes to take as a senior, and would end up less prepared for college than if they had been at WSHS all 4 years. I also don’t know if Lewis is all AP at this point or if they’re still partially holding on to IB. Whereas WSHS is all AP.

3) they aren’t reporting any of this anymore, but the last school year that had safety and security data accurately reported for the full SY was 2018-2019. WSHS had 87 safety offenses and 0 weapons offenses. Lewis had 238 safety offenses, with a smaller student population, and 3 weapons offenses - and 7 in SY 2019-2020 which was cut short due to Covid!

4) You can’t say that every WSHS kid is from a nice graduate educated $300k+ income family and will immediately go to another school and be a shining star. There are lots of kids who are kept on the fairly straight and narrow just by having a largely good peer group.

Hopefully reassigned families can encourage their kids to become leaders in the new school, push for more AP and demand safe schools.

So why should a couple dozen teenagers from another school be bussed in and tasked to fix the problems that you and the other parents whose kids are zoned for that school were unable to fix?

If you, an adult parent at that school, and the other parents at that school, can't fix the problems, why should it be the responsibility of a group of teenagers who belong at their original school?

Interesting word choice.

DP. I just read this to mean “deserve to attend” the HS they were already attending or expected to attend.

Enough with the constant insinuations - it just makes you and the School Board members you are shilling for look like nut jobs.

All FCPS schools should be equal. Clearly they are not given the panic on here about redistricting. If schools are not equal then the board should correct the problem. In other words, high SES kids are not entitled to better public schools than low SES kids.

Agreed. But I think it's fair to recognize that some parents have real concerns about the numbers below. Is it wrong to want to avoid these kinds of problems for your kids? I don't think so. Like you said, what is being done to address these problems? I don't think it's controversial to be concerned about this.

VDOE School Profile pages show this information about the learning climate

Langley:
Behaviors that Impede Academic Progress - 8
Behaviors related to School Operations - 22
Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm - 19
Behaviors of a Safety Concern - 31
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others - 21

Herndon:
Behaviors that Impede Academic Progress - 506
Behaviors related to School Operations - 496
Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm - 375
Behaviors of a Safety Concern - 204
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others - 36

I don’t doubt the current environments at those schools are different.

I also don’t doubt that the incentives not to report incidents at Langley are greater, given that the parents there think their kids can do no wrong and quickly lawyer up.

Either way, if you live in the county, you aren’t guaranteed a right to attend a particular school.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we back to the basics? What is the timeline for these boundary changes?

Fall 2025 is the school board's stated goal.

They have mentioned this timeline at multiple work sessions.

If you have a high school student in the class of 2027 or 2028 (current rising sophomores and freshmen) you need to be VERY concerned, especially if you are not within the walk zone to your high school.

The school board has mentioned this timeline, and minimal grandfathering of high school students many times.

When someone gives you insight to their plans, believe them.

When a politician lies by omission, hiding their true plans during their campaigns so they can get elected, expect nothing less from them than a complete disregard for constituents when they are in power.

If they prioritized student's well being, they would allow grandfathering for all enrolled high school students.

If they prioritized educational quality for the kids in failing schools like Lewis, they would have removed IB a long time ago and looked for real solutions, that do not require disrupting a bunch of kids to hopefully hide the failures without actually fixing the problems.

If they valued constituents, they would not have voted for a plan that concentrates power affecting student well being, communities, and housing values, with a single, unelected, overpaid bureaucrat, to try to remove the responsibility of elected officials to their voters in their district.

If the Springfield district representative was actually representing the will of her actual voters, she would have either come out strongly against the rezoning plan, OR very strongly in support of extensive grandfathering of high school students.

She did neither, so she is clearly not performing her duties to represent her constituents.

Please vote better in 2027. Ultimately, this is the outcome of voting choices made by the voters in our county, not just for school board but also for the board of supervisors that gerrymandered 22152 and the Springfield district to try to get rid of the last moderate politician in all of Northern Virginia. If you get rezoned, and voted blue no matter who, this is the policies you support being put into action.

Reid is the one will be driving this bus. She had said a company will study it and they will take 18 months. So that would be fall 2026.

Do we think that in 1 year they will have boundaries redrawn?

You think 🤔 that with computer modeling, other forms of A.I and the general ideas they clearly already have that they couldn’t get this done in a year? 🤣
Facilities could do it themselves and certainly a consultant can.
Expect your “listening sessions” early in the spring and your final boundaries around June.

The board members will look at them and then there will be time for tinkering around the edges to protect this community or that. This particular battle has only just begun.

Protect from what?

Come on, the board members don’t all believe in equity rezoning. Some are true believers and some are asleep at the wheel. But others will be able to be convinced to change a neighborhood here or there to give them a better deal. Or to nakedly protect their own neighborhoods, to keep them at the current schools or reassign them to the “better” ones. Some board members have higher political ambitions. There will 100% be back door wheelings and dealings.

You didn't answer the question. Is there danger? Why the need to protect?

DP. Ask Karen Corbett Sanders and Matt Dunne.

The correlation between the recent expansion of West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when there was space at Mount Vernon and the answer to your question should be roughly 100%.

[That having been accomplished, Dunne - Corbett-Sanders' hand-picked successor - is all about saving money and not investing in facilities anywhere else.]

Be honest. Why are you unwilling to say what the danger is?

THE DANGER IS BEING ASSIGNED TO A LESSER PERFORMING SCHOOL YOU DERP. The same thing people have been fighting about for the last 400 pages. Try to keep up!

Why is this a danger to high performing UMC kids?

I think you’re sealioning, first of all. But:

1) Moving schools in the middle of HS means that you lose out on the leadership opportunities you may have had at your former HS, had you been allowed to stay there. This is particularly bad for juniors and possibly sophomores. There has been at least one poster on here who said she would send a rising 9th grader to Lewis with other kids from the neighborhood if need be, but sending a junior to another school for 2 years is hugely disruptive. There needs to be grandfathering, even if WSHS kids need to find their own transportation. Fortunately their boundaries are compact to the point that a kid could likely bike from the southern end of the boundary to WSHS.

2) The SB has not guaranteed classes that would be available at Lewis vs. WSHS. A kid on the highest math track could end up simply not having classes to take as a senior, and would end up less prepared for college than if they had been at WSHS all 4 years. I also don’t know if Lewis is all AP at this point or if they’re still partially holding on to IB. Whereas WSHS is all AP.

3) they aren’t reporting any of this anymore, but the last school year that had safety and security data accurately reported for the full SY was 2018-2019. WSHS had 87 safety offenses and 0 weapons offenses. Lewis had 238 safety offenses, with a smaller student population, and 3 weapons offenses - and 7 in SY 2019-2020 which was cut short due to Covid!

4) You can’t say that every WSHS kid is from a nice graduate educated $300k+ income family and will immediately go to another school and be a shining star. There are lots of kids who are kept on the fairly straight and narrow just by having a largely good peer group.

Hopefully reassigned families can encourage their kids to become leaders in the new school, push for more AP and demand safe schools.

So why should a couple dozen teenagers from another school be bussed in and tasked to fix the problems that you and the other parents whose kids are zoned for that school were unable to fix?

If you, an adult parent at that school, and the other parents at that school, can't fix the problems, why should it be the responsibility of a group of teenagers who belong at their original school?

Interesting word choice.

DP. I just read this to mean “deserve to attend” the HS they were already attending or expected to attend.

Enough with the constant insinuations - it just makes you and the School Board members you are shilling for look like nut jobs.

All FCPS schools should be equal. Clearly they are not given the panic on here about redistricting. If schools are not equal then the board should correct the problem. In other words, high SES kids are not entitled to better public schools than low SES kids.

I don’t think anyone is saying they are. What people are saying is you shouldn’t use high SES to fix problems at lower SES schools. That’s the reason for this move. FCPS isn’t trying to help the students who need it. Just move kids to raise the optics and test scores etc that the school is improving. The kids who are struggling there will no magically pass SOLs or whatever because Johnny and Sally moved in. Nor will these kids affect the chronic absenteeism. Dr Reid thinks if kids at schools with high absenteeism see kids going to school regularly they may want to also. Not sure that’s how it works

The literature disagrees. https://www.tc.columbia.edu/articles/2016/february/school-integration-is-making-a-comeback-as-research-documents-its-benefits-/#:~:text=Students%20of%20all%20races%20who,segregated%2C%20high%2Dpoverty%20schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting civil war taking place now on the FairFACTS Matters page on FB between Langley parents who are trying to protect Langley's boundaries under the guise of doing what's best for everyone in the county and hard-core conservatives like Luke Rosiak who are vocally advocating for the group to adopt an anti-immigrant stance, vote for Republican candidates, pull their kids ASAP from FCPS, and advocate for vouchers and other private school subsidies.

Not surprisingly, the insurgents (Rosiak and his sympathizers) get the support of a lot of the local parents, who are already quite conservative and have been confused by statements from FairFACTS Matters leaders suggesting that FCPS should look at public-private partnerships in Detroit as a model. Great Falls residents aren't very used to seeing Detroit held out as a useful model for their community.

If he is just pointing out what we all know— that it’s democrats who oppose school choice, favor “surging” to the border and on the county level are the ones who began working on boundary policy with an “equal outcomes for all” aim, he’s not wrong.

That group is free to prioritize other school board values like standards-based grading (another policy designed to make outcomes equal), graphic books in school libraries and boys who feel like a girl today having access to spaces meant for females OVER and above keeping their community school.

What goes on in schools is way more important than which child/neighborhood goes to which building.

In the end, most of them are democrats and will come around to the school board’s way of thinking. You’ll see.

Here’s where we will see if the rich 🤑 liberals of Great Falls really have enough money to exit the school system.

They are reacting like the rich liberals of Martha’s Vineyard when the poor brown illegals whose arrival to America they supported actually showed up in their town.
They pouted and protested and paid good money to send them away (after they gave them some sandwiches and iced tea)

What about it, Great Falls? You have enough to buy your way out of the “problem” you helped create?

It doesn’t take Martha’s Vineyard money to rent an apartment in a different school district for a few years. In fact most of us paid more in daycare for our kids than that would cost.

It’ll crowd out other families who need that housing, but that’s the law of unintended consequences.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Where are the apartments in Langley’s district?

None yet, but that will change.

Pp swearing 100s of families are going to rent apartments to stay at Langley is pretty funny.

Well, for the mathematically challenged SJW, you just said that apartments will get moved to Langley. Unless they are apartments that are designated affordable housing, those will rent out somewhere around 2,000-2,500 per apartment. That’s 24,000 to 30,000 per year. Not a small amount of money, but less than 50-60k for elite private, and no application required.

Now, what will happen? Rents will go up pricing some LMC families out of the market and even if they don’t, these families would have to compete for those houses against Great Falls neighbors with likely higher income and credit scores. It’s no question who will get rented to. (No not because the landlords are racist, it’s just that a 750+ credit score and 200,000 per year beats 650+ and 50,000.

In summary, 24k - 30k will buy you entry into any public school that’s drivable, not even just Langley! Will everyone go this route? Surely not. But you are underestimating the willingness to pay 25k/30k for a desired school situation.

Nope. Once boundaries are changed from elementary to high school with the promise that they will be redone every five years, those people who can spare the extra tens of thousands will co op homeschool and go private.
Langley Madison Oakton McLean all the schools will be entirely new.

Renting makes sense if the boundary change is small and stable. Renting after a massive boundary change that entirely recomposes a school and that will change every few years is dumb (unless you are just really attached to the building itself).

And don’t think that the school board won’t be conducting residency checks if a school is suddenly overcrowded. Especially for Great Falls and McLean, who we all know they have deep affection for.

You think hundreds will actually rent, furnish and live in a 1,000 sq ft apartment Monday through Friday rather than stay comfortable in a 5,000 sq foot house with a backyard fire pit a short drive from Riverbend and send their kids private (or for the littles join up with other parents for co-ops)?

Nope.

If the county would do residency checks after initial enrollment we might not have such over enrollment issues at schools. I can guarantee there are people there now that don’t belong there. I think it’s very easy to cheaply furnish an apartment for whatever residency check you think the county will have time to make

No one is doing residency checks. We provided proof when enrolling in K and nothing since. My kids are teenagers. I doubt anyone talking about renting an apartment is planning on living in it.

Lying on the residency attestation form is a class 4 misdemeanor. Sounds scary. Look it up - max punishment is a $250 fine.

No one is going to risk a $250 fine for their kids education, right?

Also, residency is a notoriously slippery concept. It’s not easy to disprove residency.

Seriously? These are the values Langley parents want to teach their kids? It’s OK to break the law as long as you might not be detected and we can afford the fine?

It’s the way the world works, my dear.

You don’t like it, push harder for residency checks. Then we’ll see how many families are in the Herndon pyramid and using this method to go elsewhere!

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting civil war taking place now on the FairFACTS Matters page on FB between Langley parents who are trying to protect Langley's boundaries under the guise of doing what's best for everyone in the county and hard-core conservatives like Luke Rosiak who are vocally advocating for the group to adopt an anti-immigrant stance, vote for Republican candidates, pull their kids ASAP from FCPS, and advocate for vouchers and other private school subsidies.

Not surprisingly, the insurgents (Rosiak and his sympathizers) get the support of a lot of the local parents, who are already quite conservative and have been confused by statements from FairFACTS Matters leaders suggesting that FCPS should look at public-private partnerships in Detroit as a model. Great Falls residents aren't very used to seeing Detroit held out as a useful model for their community.

If he is just pointing out what we all know— that it’s democrats who oppose school choice, favor “surging” to the border and on the county level are the ones who began working on boundary policy with an “equal outcomes for all” aim, he’s not wrong.

That group is free to prioritize other school board values like standards-based grading (another policy designed to make outcomes equal), graphic books in school libraries and boys who feel like a girl today having access to spaces meant for females OVER and above keeping their community school.

What goes on in schools is way more important than which child/neighborhood goes to which building.

In the end, most of them are democrats and will come around to the school board’s way of thinking. You’ll see.

Here’s where we will see if the rich 🤑 liberals of Great Falls really have enough money to exit the school system.

They are reacting like the rich liberals of Martha’s Vineyard when the poor brown illegals whose arrival to America they supported actually showed up in their town.
They pouted and protested and paid good money to send them away (after they gave them some sandwiches and iced tea)

What about it, Great Falls? You have enough to buy your way out of the “problem” you helped create?

It doesn’t take Martha’s Vineyard money to rent an apartment in a different school district for a few years. In fact most of us paid more in daycare for our kids than that would cost.

It’ll crowd out other families who need that housing, but that’s the law of unintended consequences.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Where are the apartments in Langley’s district?

None yet, but that will change.

Pp swearing 100s of families are going to rent apartments to stay at Langley is pretty funny.

Well, for the mathematically challenged SJW, you just said that apartments will get moved to Langley. Unless they are apartments that are designated affordable housing, those will rent out somewhere around 2,000-2,500 per apartment. That’s 24,000 to 30,000 per year. Not a small amount of money, but less than 50-60k for elite private, and no application required.

Now, what will happen? Rents will go up pricing some LMC families out of the market and even if they don’t, these families would have to compete for those houses against Great Falls neighbors with likely higher income and credit scores. It’s no question who will get rented to. (No not because the landlords are racist, it’s just that a 750+ credit score and 200,000 per year beats 650+ and 50,000.

In summary, 24k - 30k will buy you entry into any public school that’s drivable, not even just Langley! Will everyone go this route? Surely not. But you are underestimating the willingness to pay 25k/30k for a desired school situation.

Nope. Once boundaries are changed from elementary to high school with the promise that they will be redone every five years, those people who can spare the extra tens of thousands will co op homeschool and go private.
Langley Madison Oakton McLean all the schools will be entirely new.

Renting makes sense if the boundary change is small and stable. Renting after a massive boundary change that entirely recomposes a school and that will change every few years is dumb (unless you are just really attached to the building itself).

And don’t think that the school board won’t be conducting residency checks if a school is suddenly overcrowded. Especially for Great Falls and McLean, who we all know they have deep affection for.

You think hundreds will actually rent, furnish and live in a 1,000 sq ft apartment Monday through Friday rather than stay comfortable in a 5,000 sq foot house with a backyard fire pit a short drive from Riverbend and send their kids private (or for the littles join up with other parents for co-ops)?

Nope.

If the county would do residency checks after initial enrollment we might not have such over enrollment issues at schools. I can guarantee there are people there now that don’t belong there. I think it’s very easy to cheaply furnish an apartment for whatever residency check you think the county will have time to make

No one is doing residency checks. We provided proof when enrolling in K and nothing since. My kids are teenagers. I doubt anyone talking about renting an apartment is planning on living in it.

Lying on the residency attestation form is a class 4 misdemeanor. Sounds scary. Look it up - max punishment is a $250 fine.

No one is going to risk a $250 fine for their kids education, right?

Also, residency is a notoriously slippery concept. It’s not easy to disprove residency.

Seriously? These are the values Langley parents want to teach their kids? It’s OK to break the law as long as you might not be detected and we can afford the fine?

It’s the way the world works, my dear.

You don’t like it, push harder for residency checks. Then we’ll see how many families are in the Herndon pyramid and using this method to go elsewhere!

DP. The world works by cheating on forms?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting civil war taking place now on the FairFACTS Matters page on FB between Langley parents who are trying to protect Langley's boundaries under the guise of doing what's best for everyone in the county and hard-core conservatives like Luke Rosiak who are vocally advocating for the group to adopt an anti-immigrant stance, vote for Republican candidates, pull their kids ASAP from FCPS, and advocate for vouchers and other private school subsidies.

Not surprisingly, the insurgents (Rosiak and his sympathizers) get the support of a lot of the local parents, who are already quite conservative and have been confused by statements from FairFACTS Matters leaders suggesting that FCPS should look at public-private partnerships in Detroit as a model. Great Falls residents aren't very used to seeing Detroit held out as a useful model for their community.

If he is just pointing out what we all know— that it’s democrats who oppose school choice, favor “surging” to the border and on the county level are the ones who began working on boundary policy with an “equal outcomes for all” aim, he’s not wrong.

That group is free to prioritize other school board values like standards-based grading (another policy designed to make outcomes equal), graphic books in school libraries and boys who feel like a girl today having access to spaces meant for females OVER and above keeping their community school.

What goes on in schools is way more important than which child/neighborhood goes to which building.

In the end, most of them are democrats and will come around to the school board’s way of thinking. You’ll see.

Here’s where we will see if the rich 🤑 liberals of Great Falls really have enough money to exit the school system.

They are reacting like the rich liberals of Martha’s Vineyard when the poor brown illegals whose arrival to America they supported actually showed up in their town.
They pouted and protested and paid good money to send them away (after they gave them some sandwiches and iced tea)

What about it, Great Falls? You have enough to buy your way out of the “problem” you helped create?

It doesn’t take Martha’s Vineyard money to rent an apartment in a different school district for a few years. In fact most of us paid more in daycare for our kids than that would cost.

It’ll crowd out other families who need that housing, but that’s the law of unintended consequences.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Where are the apartments in Langley’s district?

None yet, but that will change.

Pp swearing 100s of families are going to rent apartments to stay at Langley is pretty funny.

Well, for the mathematically challenged SJW, you just said that apartments will get moved to Langley. Unless they are apartments that are designated affordable housing, those will rent out somewhere around 2,000-2,500 per apartment. That’s 24,000 to 30,000 per year. Not a small amount of money, but less than 50-60k for elite private, and no application required.

Now, what will happen? Rents will go up pricing some LMC families out of the market and even if they don’t, these families would have to compete for those houses against Great Falls neighbors with likely higher income and credit scores. It’s no question who will get rented to. (No not because the landlords are racist, it’s just that a 750+ credit score and 200,000 per year beats 650+ and 50,000.

In summary, 24k - 30k will buy you entry into any public school that’s drivable, not even just Langley! Will everyone go this route? Surely not. But you are underestimating the willingness to pay 25k/30k for a desired school situation.

Nope. Once boundaries are changed from elementary to high school with the promise that they will be redone every five years, those people who can spare the extra tens of thousands will co op homeschool and go private.
Langley Madison Oakton McLean all the schools will be entirely new.

Renting makes sense if the boundary change is small and stable. Renting after a massive boundary change that entirely recomposes a school and that will change every few years is dumb (unless you are just really attached to the building itself).

And don’t think that the school board won’t be conducting residency checks if a school is suddenly overcrowded. Especially for Great Falls and McLean, who we all know they have deep affection for.

You think hundreds will actually rent, furnish and live in a 1,000 sq ft apartment Monday through Friday rather than stay comfortable in a 5,000 sq foot house with a backyard fire pit a short drive from Riverbend and send their kids private (or for the littles join up with other parents for co-ops)?

Nope.

If the county would do residency checks after initial enrollment we might not have such over enrollment issues at schools. I can guarantee there are people there now that don’t belong there. I think it’s very easy to cheaply furnish an apartment for whatever residency check you think the county will have time to make

No one is doing residency checks. We provided proof when enrolling in K and nothing since. My kids are teenagers. I doubt anyone talking about renting an apartment is planning on living in it.

Lying on the residency attestation form is a class 4 misdemeanor. Sounds scary. Look it up - max punishment is a $250 fine.

No one is going to risk a $250 fine for their kids education, right?

Also, residency is a notoriously slippery concept. It’s not easy to disprove residency.

Seriously? These are the values Langley parents want to teach their kids? It’s OK to break the law as long as you might not be detected and we can afford the fine?

It’s the way the world works, my dear.

You don’t like it, push harder for residency checks. Then we’ll see how many families are in the Herndon pyramid and using this method to go elsewhere!

DP. The world works by cheating on forms?

The irony is thick here.

Langley parents are all over this forum blaming illegal immigration for all the ills with Herndon HS, and they’re now proudly admitting they illegally falsify residency documents to stay at Langley.

The entitlement knows no end.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting civil war taking place now on the FairFACTS Matters page on FB between Langley parents who are trying to protect Langley's boundaries under the guise of doing what's best for everyone in the county and hard-core conservatives like Luke Rosiak who are vocally advocating for the group to adopt an anti-immigrant stance, vote for Republican candidates, pull their kids ASAP from FCPS, and advocate for vouchers and other private school subsidies.

Not surprisingly, the insurgents (Rosiak and his sympathizers) get the support of a lot of the local parents, who are already quite conservative and have been confused by statements from FairFACTS Matters leaders suggesting that FCPS should look at public-private partnerships in Detroit as a model. Great Falls residents aren't very used to seeing Detroit held out as a useful model for their community.

If he is just pointing out what we all know— that it’s democrats who oppose school choice, favor “surging” to the border and on the county level are the ones who began working on boundary policy with an “equal outcomes for all” aim, he’s not wrong.

That group is free to prioritize other school board values like standards-based grading (another policy designed to make outcomes equal), graphic books in school libraries and boys who feel like a girl today having access to spaces meant for females OVER and above keeping their community school.

What goes on in schools is way more important than which child/neighborhood goes to which building.

In the end, most of them are democrats and will come around to the school board’s way of thinking. You’ll see.

Here’s where we will see if the rich 🤑 liberals of Great Falls really have enough money to exit the school system.

They are reacting like the rich liberals of Martha’s Vineyard when the poor brown illegals whose arrival to America they supported actually showed up in their town.
They pouted and protested and paid good money to send them away (after they gave them some sandwiches and iced tea)

What about it, Great Falls? You have enough to buy your way out of the “problem” you helped create?

It doesn’t take Martha’s Vineyard money to rent an apartment in a different school district for a few years. In fact most of us paid more in daycare for our kids than that would cost.

It’ll crowd out other families who need that housing, but that’s the law of unintended consequences.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Where are the apartments in Langley’s district?

None yet, but that will change.

Pp swearing 100s of families are going to rent apartments to stay at Langley is pretty funny.

Well, for the mathematically challenged SJW, you just said that apartments will get moved to Langley. Unless they are apartments that are designated affordable housing, those will rent out somewhere around 2,000-2,500 per apartment. That’s 24,000 to 30,000 per year. Not a small amount of money, but less than 50-60k for elite private, and no application required.

Now, what will happen? Rents will go up pricing some LMC families out of the market and even if they don’t, these families would have to compete for those houses against Great Falls neighbors with likely higher income and credit scores. It’s no question who will get rented to. (No not because the landlords are racist, it’s just that a 750+ credit score and 200,000 per year beats 650+ and 50,000.

In summary, 24k - 30k will buy you entry into any public school that’s drivable, not even just Langley! Will everyone go this route? Surely not. But you are underestimating the willingness to pay 25k/30k for a desired school situation.

Nope. Once boundaries are changed from elementary to high school with the promise that they will be redone every five years, those people who can spare the extra tens of thousands will co op homeschool and go private.
Langley Madison Oakton McLean all the schools will be entirely new.

Renting makes sense if the boundary change is small and stable. Renting after a massive boundary change that entirely recomposes a school and that will change every few years is dumb (unless you are just really attached to the building itself).

And don’t think that the school board won’t be conducting residency checks if a school is suddenly overcrowded. Especially for Great Falls and McLean, who we all know they have deep affection for.

You think hundreds will actually rent, furnish and live in a 1,000 sq ft apartment Monday through Friday rather than stay comfortable in a 5,000 sq foot house with a backyard fire pit a short drive from Riverbend and send their kids private (or for the littles join up with other parents for co-ops)?

Nope.

If the county would do residency checks after initial enrollment we might not have such over enrollment issues at schools. I can guarantee there are people there now that don’t belong there. I think it’s very easy to cheaply furnish an apartment for whatever residency check you think the county will have time to make

No one is doing residency checks. We provided proof when enrolling in K and nothing since. My kids are teenagers. I doubt anyone talking about renting an apartment is planning on living in it.

Lying on the residency attestation form is a class 4 misdemeanor. Sounds scary. Look it up - max punishment is a $250 fine.

No one is going to risk a $250 fine for their kids education, right?

Also, residency is a notoriously slippery concept. It’s not easy to disprove residency.

Seriously? These are the values Langley parents want to teach their kids? It’s OK to break the law as long as you might not be detected and we can afford the fine?

It’s the way the world works, my dear.

You don’t like it, push harder for residency checks. Then we’ll see how many families are in the Herndon pyramid and using this method to go elsewhere!

DP. The world works by cheating on forms?

The irony is thick here.

Langley parents are all over this forum blaming illegal immigration for all the ills with Herndon HS, and they’re now proudly admitting they illegally falsify residency documents to stay at Langley.

The entitlement knows no end.

Let’s agree that we should push for them to check residency for schools surrounding Herndon and Lewis then?

No? So you admit you’re just going after the Langley pyramid families? Forgive me for not giving two Fs about your utopian dream of forcing my kids to go to school with yours to better just your kids.

Be thankful that at least a couple of families who can’t afford 24k will be forced to join you.

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Herndon mom here. I hope my children never have to interact with kids whose parents are happy to bend the rules for their advantage. Is that how the rich get ahead? If that is the case, I will happily stay poor, but honest. Go Herndon Hornets!

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting civil war taking place now on the FairFACTS Matters page on FB between Langley parents who are trying to protect Langley's boundaries under the guise of doing what's best for everyone in the county and hard-core conservatives like Luke Rosiak who are vocally advocating for the group to adopt an anti-immigrant stance, vote for Republican candidates, pull their kids ASAP from FCPS, and advocate for vouchers and other private school subsidies.

Not surprisingly, the insurgents (Rosiak and his sympathizers) get the support of a lot of the local parents, who are already quite conservative and have been confused by statements from FairFACTS Matters leaders suggesting that FCPS should look at public-private partnerships in Detroit as a model. Great Falls residents aren't very used to seeing Detroit held out as a useful model for their community.

If he is just pointing out what we all know— that it’s democrats who oppose school choice, favor “surging” to the border and on the county level are the ones who began working on boundary policy with an “equal outcomes for all” aim, he’s not wrong.

That group is free to prioritize other school board values like standards-based grading (another policy designed to make outcomes equal), graphic books in school libraries and boys who feel like a girl today having access to spaces meant for females OVER and above keeping their community school.

What goes on in schools is way more important than which child/neighborhood goes to which building.

In the end, most of them are democrats and will come around to the school board’s way of thinking. You’ll see.

Here’s where we will see if the rich 🤑 liberals of Great Falls really have enough money to exit the school system.

They are reacting like the rich liberals of Martha’s Vineyard when the poor brown illegals whose arrival to America they supported actually showed up in their town.
They pouted and protested and paid good money to send them away (after they gave them some sandwiches and iced tea)

What about it, Great Falls? You have enough to buy your way out of the “problem” you helped create?

It doesn’t take Martha’s Vineyard money to rent an apartment in a different school district for a few years. In fact most of us paid more in daycare for our kids than that would cost.

It’ll crowd out other families who need that housing, but that’s the law of unintended consequences.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Where are the apartments in Langley’s district?

None yet, but that will change.

Pp swearing 100s of families are going to rent apartments to stay at Langley is pretty funny.

Well, for the mathematically challenged SJW, you just said that apartments will get moved to Langley. Unless they are apartments that are designated affordable housing, those will rent out somewhere around 2,000-2,500 per apartment. That’s 24,000 to 30,000 per year. Not a small amount of money, but less than 50-60k for elite private, and no application required.

Now, what will happen? Rents will go up pricing some LMC families out of the market and even if they don’t, these families would have to compete for those houses against Great Falls neighbors with likely higher income and credit scores. It’s no question who will get rented to. (No not because the landlords are racist, it’s just that a 750+ credit score and 200,000 per year beats 650+ and 50,000.

In summary, 24k - 30k will buy you entry into any public school that’s drivable, not even just Langley! Will everyone go this route? Surely not. But you are underestimating the willingness to pay 25k/30k for a desired school situation.

Nope. Once boundaries are changed from elementary to high school with the promise that they will be redone every five years, those people who can spare the extra tens of thousands will co op homeschool and go private.
Langley Madison Oakton McLean all the schools will be entirely new.

Renting makes sense if the boundary change is small and stable. Renting after a massive boundary change that entirely recomposes a school and that will change every few years is dumb (unless you are just really attached to the building itself).

And don’t think that the school board won’t be conducting residency checks if a school is suddenly overcrowded. Especially for Great Falls and McLean, who we all know they have deep affection for.

You think hundreds will actually rent, furnish and live in a 1,000 sq ft apartment Monday through Friday rather than stay comfortable in a 5,000 sq foot house with a backyard fire pit a short drive from Riverbend and send their kids private (or for the littles join up with other parents for co-ops)?

Nope.

If the county would do residency checks after initial enrollment we might not have such over enrollment issues at schools. I can guarantee there are people there now that don’t belong there. I think it’s very easy to cheaply furnish an apartment for whatever residency check you think the county will have time to make

No one is doing residency checks. We provided proof when enrolling in K and nothing since. My kids are teenagers. I doubt anyone talking about renting an apartment is planning on living in it.

Lying on the residency attestation form is a class 4 misdemeanor. Sounds scary. Look it up - max punishment is a $250 fine.

No one is going to risk a $250 fine for their kids education, right?

Also, residency is a notoriously slippery concept. It’s not easy to disprove residency.

Seriously? These are the values Langley parents want to teach their kids? It’s OK to break the law as long as you might not be detected and we can afford the fine?

It’s the way the world works, my dear.

You don’t like it, push harder for residency checks. Then we’ll see how many families are in the Herndon pyramid and using this method to go elsewhere!

DP. The world works by cheating on forms?

The irony is thick here.

Langley parents are all over this forum blaming illegal immigration for all the ills with Herndon HS, and they’re now proudly admitting they illegally falsify residency documents to stay at Langley.

The entitlement knows no end.

Let’s agree that we should push for them to check residency for schools surrounding Herndon and Lewis then?

No? So you admit you’re just going after the Langley pyramid families? Forgive me for not giving two Fs about your utopian dream of forcing my kids to go to school with yours to better just your kids.

Be thankful that at least a couple of families who can’t afford 24k will be forced to join you.

I see I struck a nerve.

I never said that. I said it’s ironic that Langley parents are blaming illegal immigrants for all the problems with some schools while now proudly stating they will illegally claim residency.

FCPS should crack down on residency across the board regardless of the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting civil war taking place now on the FairFACTS Matters page on FB between Langley parents who are trying to protect Langley's boundaries under the guise of doing what's best for everyone in the county and hard-core conservatives like Luke Rosiak who are vocally advocating for the group to adopt an anti-immigrant stance, vote for Republican candidates, pull their kids ASAP from FCPS, and advocate for vouchers and other private school subsidies.

Not surprisingly, the insurgents (Rosiak and his sympathizers) get the support of a lot of the local parents, who are already quite conservative and have been confused by statements from FairFACTS Matters leaders suggesting that FCPS should look at public-private partnerships in Detroit as a model. Great Falls residents aren't very used to seeing Detroit held out as a useful model for their community.

If he is just pointing out what we all know— that it’s democrats who oppose school choice, favor “surging” to the border and on the county level are the ones who began working on boundary policy with an “equal outcomes for all” aim, he’s not wrong.

That group is free to prioritize other school board values like standards-based grading (another policy designed to make outcomes equal), graphic books in school libraries and boys who feel like a girl today having access to spaces meant for females OVER and above keeping their community school.

What goes on in schools is way more important than which child/neighborhood goes to which building.

In the end, most of them are democrats and will come around to the school board’s way of thinking. You’ll see.

Here’s where we will see if the rich 🤑 liberals of Great Falls really have enough money to exit the school system.

They are reacting like the rich liberals of Martha’s Vineyard when the poor brown illegals whose arrival to America they supported actually showed up in their town.
They pouted and protested and paid good money to send them away (after they gave them some sandwiches and iced tea)

What about it, Great Falls? You have enough to buy your way out of the “problem” you helped create?

It doesn’t take Martha’s Vineyard money to rent an apartment in a different school district for a few years. In fact most of us paid more in daycare for our kids than that would cost.

It’ll crowd out other families who need that housing, but that’s the law of unintended consequences.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Where are the apartments in Langley’s district?

None yet, but that will change.

Pp swearing 100s of families are going to rent apartments to stay at Langley is pretty funny.

Well, for the mathematically challenged SJW, you just said that apartments will get moved to Langley. Unless they are apartments that are designated affordable housing, those will rent out somewhere around 2,000-2,500 per apartment. That’s 24,000 to 30,000 per year. Not a small amount of money, but less than 50-60k for elite private, and no application required.

Now, what will happen? Rents will go up pricing some LMC families out of the market and even if they don’t, these families would have to compete for those houses against Great Falls neighbors with likely higher income and credit scores. It’s no question who will get rented to. (No not because the landlords are racist, it’s just that a 750+ credit score and 200,000 per year beats 650+ and 50,000.

In summary, 24k - 30k will buy you entry into any public school that’s drivable, not even just Langley! Will everyone go this route? Surely not. But you are underestimating the willingness to pay 25k/30k for a desired school situation.

Nope. Once boundaries are changed from elementary to high school with the promise that they will be redone every five years, those people who can spare the extra tens of thousands will co op homeschool and go private.
Langley Madison Oakton McLean all the schools will be entirely new.

Renting makes sense if the boundary change is small and stable. Renting after a massive boundary change that entirely recomposes a school and that will change every few years is dumb (unless you are just really attached to the building itself).

And don’t think that the school board won’t be conducting residency checks if a school is suddenly overcrowded. Especially for Great Falls and McLean, who we all know they have deep affection for.

You think hundreds will actually rent, furnish and live in a 1,000 sq ft apartment Monday through Friday rather than stay comfortable in a 5,000 sq foot house with a backyard fire pit a short drive from Riverbend and send their kids private (or for the littles join up with other parents for co-ops)?

Nope.

If the county would do residency checks after initial enrollment we might not have such over enrollment issues at schools. I can guarantee there are people there now that don’t belong there. I think it’s very easy to cheaply furnish an apartment for whatever residency check you think the county will have time to make

No one is doing residency checks. We provided proof when enrolling in K and nothing since. My kids are teenagers. I doubt anyone talking about renting an apartment is planning on living in it.

Lying on the residency attestation form is a class 4 misdemeanor. Sounds scary. Look it up - max punishment is a $250 fine.

No one is going to risk a $250 fine for their kids education, right?

Also, residency is a notoriously slippery concept. It’s not easy to disprove residency.

Seriously? These are the values Langley parents want to teach their kids? It’s OK to break the law as long as you might not be detected and we can afford the fine?

It’s the way the world works, my dear.

You don’t like it, push harder for residency checks. Then we’ll see how many families are in the Herndon pyramid and using this method to go elsewhere!

DP. The world works by cheating on forms?

The irony is thick here.

Langley parents are all over this forum blaming illegal immigration for all the ills with Herndon HS, and they’re now proudly admitting they illegally falsify residency documents to stay at Langley.

The entitlement knows no end.

Let’s agree that we should push for them to check residency for schools surrounding Herndon and Lewis then?

No? So you admit you’re just going after the Langley pyramid families? Forgive me for not giving two Fs about your utopian dream of forcing my kids to go to school with yours to better just your kids.

Be thankful that at least a couple of families who can’t afford 24k will be forced to join you.

I see I struck a nerve.

I never said that. I said it’s ironic that Langley parents are blaming illegal immigrants for all the problems with some schools while now proudly stating they will illegally claim residency.

FCPS should crack down on residency across the board regardless of the school.

No nerve. Call me whatever names you wish. I’m not particularly interested in your opinions, just like you aren’t in mine.

See you in a couple of years when our kids play each other in sports!

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Anonymous wrote:Can we back to the basics? What is the timeline for these boundary changes?

Fall 2025 is the school board's stated goal.

They have mentioned this timeline at multiple work sessions.

If you have a high school student in the class of 2027 or 2028 (current rising sophomores and freshmen) you need to be VERY concerned, especially if you are not within the walk zone to your high school.

The school board has mentioned this timeline, and minimal grandfathering of high school students many times.

When someone gives you insight to their plans, believe them.

When a politician lies by omission, hiding their true plans during their campaigns so they can get elected, expect nothing less from them than a complete disregard for constituents when they are in power.

If they prioritized student's well being, they would allow grandfathering for all enrolled high school students.

If they prioritized educational quality for the kids in failing schools like Lewis, they would have removed IB a long time ago and looked for real solutions, that do not require disrupting a bunch of kids to hopefully hide the failures without actually fixing the problems.

If they valued constituents, they would not have voted for a plan that concentrates power affecting student well being, communities, and housing values, with a single, unelected, overpaid bureaucrat, to try to remove the responsibility of elected officials to their voters in their district.

If the Springfield district representative was actually representing the will of her actual voters, she would have either come out strongly against the rezoning plan, OR very strongly in support of extensive grandfathering of high school students.

She did neither, so she is clearly not performing her duties to represent her constituents.

Please vote better in 2027. Ultimately, this is the outcome of voting choices made by the voters in our county, not just for school board but also for the board of supervisors that gerrymandered 22152 and the Springfield district to try to get rid of the last moderate politician in all of Northern Virginia. If you get rezoned, and voted blue no matter who, this is the policies you support being put into action.

Reid is the one will be driving this bus. She had said a company will study it and they will take 18 months. So that would be fall 2026.

Do we think that in 1 year they will have boundaries redrawn?

You think 🤔 that with computer modeling, other forms of A.I and the general ideas they clearly already have that they couldn’t get this done in a year? 🤣
Facilities could do it themselves and certainly a consultant can.
Expect your “listening sessions” early in the spring and your final boundaries around June.

The board members will look at them and then there will be time for tinkering around the edges to protect this community or that. This particular battle has only just begun.

Protect from what?

Come on, the board members don’t all believe in equity rezoning. Some are true believers and some are asleep at the wheel. But others will be able to be convinced to change a neighborhood here or there to give them a better deal. Or to nakedly protect their own neighborhoods, to keep them at the current schools or reassign them to the “better” ones. Some board members have higher political ambitions. There will 100% be back door wheelings and dealings.

You didn't answer the question. Is there danger? Why the need to protect?

DP. Ask Karen Corbett Sanders and Matt Dunne.

The correlation between the recent expansion of West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when there was space at Mount Vernon and the answer to your question should be roughly 100%.

[That having been accomplished, Dunne - Corbett-Sanders' hand-picked successor - is all about saving money and not investing in facilities anywhere else.]

Be honest. Why are you unwilling to say what the danger is?

THE DANGER IS BEING ASSIGNED TO A LESSER PERFORMING SCHOOL YOU DERP. The same thing people have been fighting about for the last 400 pages. Try to keep up!

Why is this a danger to high performing UMC kids?

I think you’re sealioning, first of all. But:

1) Moving schools in the middle of HS means that you lose out on the leadership opportunities you may have had at your former HS, had you been allowed to stay there. This is particularly bad for juniors and possibly sophomores. There has been at least one poster on here who said she would send a rising 9th grader to Lewis with other kids from the neighborhood if need be, but sending a junior to another school for 2 years is hugely disruptive. There needs to be grandfathering, even if WSHS kids need to find their own transportation. Fortunately their boundaries are compact to the point that a kid could likely bike from the southern end of the boundary to WSHS.

2) The SB has not guaranteed classes that would be available at Lewis vs. WSHS. A kid on the highest math track could end up simply not having classes to take as a senior, and would end up less prepared for college than if they had been at WSHS all 4 years. I also don’t know if Lewis is all AP at this point or if they’re still partially holding on to IB. Whereas WSHS is all AP.

3) they aren’t reporting any of this anymore, but the last school year that had safety and security data accurately reported for the full SY was 2018-2019. WSHS had 87 safety offenses and 0 weapons offenses. Lewis had 238 safety offenses, with a smaller student population, and 3 weapons offenses - and 7 in SY 2019-2020 which was cut short due to Covid!

4) You can’t say that every WSHS kid is from a nice graduate educated $300k+ income family and will immediately go to another school and be a shining star. There are lots of kids who are kept on the fairly straight and narrow just by having a largely good peer group.

Hopefully reassigned families can encourage their kids to become leaders in the new school, push for more AP and demand safe schools.

So why should a couple dozen teenagers from another school be bussed in and tasked to fix the problems that you and the other parents whose kids are zoned for that school were unable to fix?

If you, an adult parent at that school, and the other parents at that school, can't fix the problems, why should it be the responsibility of a group of teenagers who belong at their original school?

Interesting word choice.

DP. I just read this to mean “deserve to attend” the HS they were already attending or expected to attend.

Enough with the constant insinuations - it just makes you and the School Board members you are shilling for look like nut jobs.

All FCPS schools should be equal. Clearly they are not given the panic on here about redistricting. If schools are not equal then the board should correct the problem. In other words, high SES kids are not entitled to better public schools than low SES kids.

I don’t think anyone is saying they are. What people are saying is you shouldn’t use high SES to fix problems at lower SES schools. That’s the reason for this move. FCPS isn’t trying to help the students who need it. Just move kids to raise the optics and test scores etc that the school is improving. The kids who are struggling there will no magically pass SOLs or whatever because Johnny and Sally moved in. Nor will these kids affect the chronic absenteeism. Dr Reid thinks if kids at schools with high absenteeism see kids going to school regularly they may want to also. Not sure that’s how it works

The literature disagrees. https://www.tc.columbia.edu/articles/2016/february/school-integration-is-making-a-comeback-as-research-documents-its-benefits-/#:~:text=Students%20of%20all%20races%20who,segregated%2C%20high%2Dpoverty%20schools.

Literature funded by a liberal think tank. Whodathunk they’d reach such a conclusion.