White Lotus

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Anonymous wrote:I am totally into this show and can't wait for the finale! No spoilers please but who do we think dies???

I recall in the first episode that the older couple at the airport said "wasn't someone killed" there - which implies that it was a KILLING rather than a death by illness or accident. So the BLSM is out ?

I think Rachel is not dead - too obvious and who other than Shane would have killed her.

Is it Paula?

The other clue I thought of is that it would have to be somebody whose body needs to be transported from Maui to Honolulu. So, not Paula's boyfriend.

Also, I am in the minority on Jennifer Coolidge's character, I cannot stand her. She's SO whiny and the dynamic with her and Belinda is painful. I've actually fast forwarded through a couple of her scenes.

I'm late to this show, but I have to say I completely agree. I love Jennifer Coolidge, but HATE this character. She is so unbelievably self-absorbed, needy, and whiny. I get that that's how her character is written, but it is painful to watch. She never once asks Belinda about herself, just expects her (Belinda) to drop everything and come running when she needs her. Ugh. And her interactions with the man staying next door - CRINGE.

I thought the Molly Shannon character was spot-on and it was nice to see her not overdo it. I love MS too, and was so glad to see her just play that role straight. Also love Connie Britton's character, even if she is completely absorbed in her work. Both she and Steve Zahn said some very true things and came across as so believable. I had no idea Steve Zahn was such a good actor.

Did anyone else notice that all the "bad" people were white, and all the "good" ones were POC? I thought that was very incredibly blatant and frankly, annoying.

Which characters on the show would you consider « good » other than maybe Belinda?

The teen son —who was white— was also good.

But I think PP sees what she wants to see.

I saw this the opposite way. The bad people were the service people. College friend, hotel worker thief, lying worker hiding pregnancy, bad manager, spa manager scamming rich client into a bad investment. Rich people just living their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All this hate for Olivia but she proves to be a very loyal friend. She not only keeps her friends' secret, she comforts her after they had a fight. I think all of these people have redeeming qualities, it's just that they are clueless about their privilege and that's the point of it all. People aren't terrible 100% of the time, but when they are bad it makes us see them only in a bad light.

She is hot for her and wants her all to herself. Not a loyal friend.

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Anonymous wrote:The teen son is the only << good >> person in the show because he's willing to walk away from the wealth and power that he will inherit. He's walking away from the ability to inflict tyranny and instead focus on the beauty of his existence on earth.

Then again, his approach is one based in privilege. Most working class poor don't have the safety net to walk away from it all and live as wanderer of the earth. He has the confidence because subconsciously he knows he will be bailed out by his Mom.

The microcosm of the resort was a really good allegory of the wider social and class issues at play in America. Brilliant show.

Oh, please, like a sixteen year old boy can walk away from his life. You know as soon as he didn’t get on the plane one of his parents got off the plane to find him and drag him back to his final year at Dalton.

I will say this -- that is how a poor kid would do this. Rich kid's parents would have said ---- ok you can do this -- but sign up for online school at a fancy online school that is like 40k a year (like actor kids do); they would have found a place for him to live/stay. Rich parents would know all this could happen and it would not be a blip on the kid's life when he is done rowing. Poor kid would have screwed up his life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am totally into this show and can't wait for the finale! No spoilers please but who do we think dies???

I recall in the first episode that the older couple at the airport said "wasn't someone killed" there - which implies that it was a KILLING rather than a death by illness or accident. So the BLSM is out ?

I think Rachel is not dead - too obvious and who other than Shane would have killed her.

Is it Paula?

The other clue I thought of is that it would have to be somebody whose body needs to be transported from Maui to Honolulu. So, not Paula's boyfriend.

Also, I am in the minority on Jennifer Coolidge's character, I cannot stand her. She's SO whiny and the dynamic with her and Belinda is painful. I've actually fast forwarded through a couple of her scenes.

I'm late to this show, but I have to say I completely agree. I love Jennifer Coolidge, but HATE this character. She is so unbelievably self-absorbed, needy, and whiny. I get that that's how her character is written, but it is painful to watch. She never once asks Belinda about herself, just expects her (Belinda) to drop everything and come running when she needs her. Ugh. And her interactions with the man staying next door - CRINGE.

I thought the Molly Shannon character was spot-on and it was nice to see her not overdo it. I love MS too, and was so glad to see her just play that role straight. Also love Connie Britton's character, even if she is completely absorbed in her work. Both she and Steve Zahn said some very true things and came across as so believable. I had no idea Steve Zahn was such a good actor.

Did anyone else notice that all the "bad" people were white, and all the "good" ones were POC? I thought that was very incredibly blatant and frankly, annoying.

Which characters on the show would you consider « good » other than maybe Belinda?

The teen son —who was white— was also good.

But I think PP sees what she wants to see.

I saw this the opposite way. The bad people were the service people. College friend, hotel worker thief, lying worker hiding pregnancy, bad manager, spa manager scamming rich client into a bad investment. Rich people just living their lives.

Why do you think it was a bad investment? Didn’t her services help the woman?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am totally into this show and can't wait for the finale! No spoilers please but who do we think dies???

I recall in the first episode that the older couple at the airport said "wasn't someone killed" there - which implies that it was a KILLING rather than a death by illness or accident. So the BLSM is out ?

I think Rachel is not dead - too obvious and who other than Shane would have killed her.

Is it Paula?

The other clue I thought of is that it would have to be somebody whose body needs to be transported from Maui to Honolulu. So, not Paula's boyfriend.

Also, I am in the minority on Jennifer Coolidge's character, I cannot stand her. She's SO whiny and the dynamic with her and Belinda is painful. I've actually fast forwarded through a couple of her scenes.

I'm late to this show, but I have to say I completely agree. I love Jennifer Coolidge, but HATE this character. She is so unbelievably self-absorbed, needy, and whiny. I get that that's how her character is written, but it is painful to watch. She never once asks Belinda about herself, just expects her (Belinda) to drop everything and come running when she needs her. Ugh. And her interactions with the man staying next door - CRINGE.

I thought the Molly Shannon character was spot-on and it was nice to see her not overdo it. I love MS too, and was so glad to see her just play that role straight. Also love Connie Britton's character, even if she is completely absorbed in her work. Both she and Steve Zahn said some very true things and came across as so believable. I had no idea Steve Zahn was such a good actor.

Did anyone else notice that all the "bad" people were white, and all the "good" ones were POC? I thought that was very incredibly blatant and frankly, annoying.

Which characters on the show would you consider « good » other than maybe Belinda?

The teen son —who was white— was also good.

But I think PP sees what she wants to see.

I saw this the opposite way. The bad people were the service people. College friend, hotel worker thief, lying worker hiding pregnancy, bad manager, spa manager scamming rich client into a bad investment. Rich people just living their lives.

DP. This is a very strange take. The staffer who hid her pregnancy wasn't portrayed as bad, at all. She was just trying to keep her job. The spa manager was a wonderful character and wasn't trying to "scam" the Jennifer Coolidge character at all! She was excited about the prospect of having her own spa, but hadn't even considered it until the JC character suggested it.

[Anonymous]

My problem with this show is I am rooting against all the characters.
No one is likeable except for maybe Rachel and she is just boring and fairly lame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am totally into this show and can't wait for the finale! No spoilers please but who do we think dies???

I recall in the first episode that the older couple at the airport said "wasn't someone killed" there - which implies that it was a KILLING rather than a death by illness or accident. So the BLSM is out ?

I think Rachel is not dead - too obvious and who other than Shane would have killed her.

Is it Paula?

The other clue I thought of is that it would have to be somebody whose body needs to be transported from Maui to Honolulu. So, not Paula's boyfriend.

Also, I am in the minority on Jennifer Coolidge's character, I cannot stand her. She's SO whiny and the dynamic with her and Belinda is painful. I've actually fast forwarded through a couple of her scenes.

I'm late to this show, but I have to say I completely agree. I love Jennifer Coolidge, but HATE this character. She is so unbelievably self-absorbed, needy, and whiny. I get that that's how her character is written, but it is painful to watch. She never once asks Belinda about herself, just expects her (Belinda) to drop everything and come running when she needs her. Ugh. And her interactions with the man staying next door - CRINGE.

I thought the Molly Shannon character was spot-on and it was nice to see her not overdo it. I love MS too, and was so glad to see her just play that role straight. Also love Connie Britton's character, even if she is completely absorbed in her work. Both she and Steve Zahn said some very true things and came across as so believable. I had no idea Steve Zahn was such a good actor.

Did anyone else notice that all the "bad" people were white, and all the "good" ones were POC? I thought that was very incredibly blatant and frankly, annoying.

Which characters on the show would you consider « good » other than maybe Belinda?

The teen son —who was white— was also good.

But I think PP sees what she wants to see.

I saw this the opposite way. The bad people were the service people. College friend, hotel worker thief, lying worker hiding pregnancy, bad manager, spa manager scamming rich client into a bad investment. Rich people just living their lives.

Why do you think it was a bad investment? Didn’t her services help the woman?

Because any investment like this is bad for the investor as a general rule. But here she wanted not just to cater to rich women which could be a plan but women of all economic groups. That cannot be a good investment for an investor. She was so rich she has advisors and lawyers. they never would have let her invest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am totally into this show and can't wait for the finale! No spoilers please but who do we think dies???

I recall in the first episode that the older couple at the airport said "wasn't someone killed" there - which implies that it was a KILLING rather than a death by illness or accident. So the BLSM is out ?

I think Rachel is not dead - too obvious and who other than Shane would have killed her.

Is it Paula?

The other clue I thought of is that it would have to be somebody whose body needs to be transported from Maui to Honolulu. So, not Paula's boyfriend.

Also, I am in the minority on Jennifer Coolidge's character, I cannot stand her. She's SO whiny and the dynamic with her and Belinda is painful. I've actually fast forwarded through a couple of her scenes.

I'm late to this show, but I have to say I completely agree. I love Jennifer Coolidge, but HATE this character. She is so unbelievably self-absorbed, needy, and whiny. I get that that's how her character is written, but it is painful to watch. She never once asks Belinda about herself, just expects her (Belinda) to drop everything and come running when she needs her. Ugh. And her interactions with the man staying next door - CRINGE.

I thought the Molly Shannon character was spot-on and it was nice to see her not overdo it. I love MS too, and was so glad to see her just play that role straight. Also love Connie Britton's character, even if she is completely absorbed in her work. Both she and Steve Zahn said some very true things and came across as so believable. I had no idea Steve Zahn was such a good actor.

Did anyone else notice that all the "bad" people were white, and all the "good" ones were POC? I thought that was very incredibly blatant and frankly, annoying.

Which characters on the show would you consider « good » other than maybe Belinda?

The teen son —who was white— was also good.

But I think PP sees what she wants to see.

I saw this the opposite way. The bad people were the service people. College friend, hotel worker thief, lying worker hiding pregnancy, bad manager, spa manager scamming rich client into a bad investment. Rich people just living their lives.

DP. This is a very strange take. The staffer who hid her pregnancy wasn't portrayed as bad, at all. She was just trying to keep her job. The spa manager was a wonderful character and wasn't trying to "scam" the Jennifer Coolidge character at all! She was excited about the prospect of having her own spa, but hadn't even considered it until the JC character suggested it.

She hid a pregnancy to get a job. Can't do that. Went into labor and his it. There is no chance that the spa she described would work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So it was supposed to be a social commentary on how bad rich people are but that is not what I got. I got the distinct view that the working class poor people were awful. Belinda trying to get money out of a guest for a project that in the real work has zero chance of every making money -- she is trying to steal money; the newlywed is nuts because of her insecurity and is not stable; the waiter dude who gets talked into stealing the stuff; the resort manager who is just a bad person; the friend who would steal from people that took her on a trip. The rich people seemed normal and sane.

Yeah. The show did both, but you are right the unethical people were not the paying tourists. It was the b1tchy college girls, the stealing staff, and the violent thief.

Loved the opening and music.

I was surprised at the final five minutes. Ugh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it was supposed to be a social commentary on how bad rich people are but that is not what I got. I got the distinct view that the working class poor people were awful. Belinda trying to get money out of a guest for a project that in the real work has zero chance of every making money -- she is trying to steal money; the newlywed is nuts because of her insecurity and is not stable; the waiter dude who gets talked into stealing the stuff; the resort manager who is just a bad person; the friend who would steal from people that took her on a trip. The rich people seemed normal and sane.

I disagree with the take that it was supposed to be a commentary on how bad rich people are. I think all of the characters were pretty fleshed out and all had some distinct flaws. Many abused what power they had, rich or poor. I do not think the rich people came off as normal and sane…

The director and reviews all said he wanted to get in the BLM, MeToo, Tax the rich people bandwagon. But the twists made it not so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All this hate for Olivia but she proves to be a very loyal friend. She not only keeps her friends' secret, she comforts her after they had a fight. I think all of these people have redeeming qualities, it's just that they are clueless about their privilege and that's the point of it all. People aren't terrible 100% of the time, but when they are bad it makes us see them only in a bad light.

She was still pissed and vying for some lesbo action.

This show tried to do EVERYTHING trendy right now: victim of everything Paula, bisexual Olivia, aspergers brother, CFO ball buster Mom, doofus Dad, normal leisure staff hooking up w guests, rich widower w mental health issues/alcoholic, single mom spa worker, gay hotel manager recovering drug addict, shallow dumb emotional abusive trust fund Husband (nothing wrong w sticking up for yourself and the room you paid for! My husband is a doormat), struggling writer hot new wife who married a rich idiot (and if she stays she should do WTf she wants).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My problem with this show is I am rooting against all the characters.
No one is likeable except for maybe Rachel and she is just boring and fairly lame.

I was laughing a lot and a can’t wait to go to Hawaii again. But did find a lot of self-induced attitude problems and trouble makers in most characters. those bad attitudes really can hold you back.

[Anonymous]

The more I think about the ending of White Lotus the more I realize I HATED this show.

Maybe it was expectations – I expected a comedy and instead got extremely heavy-handed and depressing social commentary.

But there was no one to root for. Even Quinn was kind of a naive fool who is more likely to get exploited by the canoers, who he didn't form a real bond with, than find some new life. Rachel sucked in the end. Shane and his mom and Tanya were always bad. Belinda and Kai had a depressing end.

At least in Succession you kind of root for Siobhan just to win because she's good at what she does. These characters were all buffoons or hateful or both.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All this hate for Olivia but she proves to be a very loyal friend. She not only keeps her friends' secret, she comforts her after they had a fight. I think all of these people have redeeming qualities, it's just that they are clueless about their privilege and that's the point of it all. People aren't terrible 100% of the time, but when they are bad it makes us see them only in a bad light.

She was still pissed and vying for some lesbo action.

This show tried to do EVERYTHING trendy right now: victim of everything Paula, bisexual Olivia, aspergers brother, CFO ball buster Mom, doofus Dad, normal leisure staff hooking up w guests, rich widower w mental health issues/alcoholic, single mom spa worker, gay hotel manager recovering drug addict, shallow dumb emotional abusive trust fund Husband (nothing wrong w sticking up for yourself and the room you paid for! My husband is a doormat), struggling writer hot new wife who married a rich idiot (and if she stays she should do WTf she wants).

True. True.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this hate for Olivia but she proves to be a very loyal friend. She not only keeps her friends' secret, she comforts her after they had a fight. I think all of these people have redeeming qualities, it's just that they are clueless about their privilege and that's the point of it all. People aren't terrible 100% of the time, but when they are bad it makes us see them only in a bad light.

She was still pissed and vying for some lesbo action.

This show tried to do EVERYTHING trendy right now: victim of everything Paula, bisexual Olivia, aspergers brother, CFO ball buster Mom, doofus Dad, normal leisure staff hooking up w guests, rich widower w mental health issues/alcoholic, single mom spa worker, gay hotel manager recovering drug addict, shallow dumb emotional abusive trust fund Husband (nothing wrong w sticking up for yourself and the room you paid for! My husband is a doormat), struggling writer hot new wife who married a rich idiot (and if she stays she should do WTf she wants).

True. True.

Yes I don't understand at all why people think that it's white privilege to expect to receive what you pay for. If a rich white person buys a Tesla and they receive a Toyota, they're just supposed to say "Thank you" or else they're not kind to the "service class?" As a member of the "service class" I get paid to help people, so if that's classist, I'm out of a job, so please don't discourage white people from hiring people to help them. Please don't discourage anyone of any race, class, color, national origin, etc. from hiring people to help them.